Kreuziger going down?

[hrotha]

You are missing the point. Why Roman and not xyz? ASO? Tinkov vs. UCI? Makarov?

Dear Wiggo is right. Research was needed. Apparently Tinkov won't play along.

Maybe... just maybe... because Kreuziger tripped the wire and xyz didn't?

 

[fireblader]

Weekly updates? God no. Those numbers Kreuziger mentioned are pretty standard fare. More than enough to nail him.

if you want to go to court (UCI), you have to prove your conclusions, how do you want to prove anything based on nearly nothing...

I mean, that more often cotrols enable you to prove what numbers are common and which are clearly suspicious .... but when you do not have enough data, then the case is lost (in legal proceedings)

I do not want to defend him, really have no idea what he was doing, but if someone want to prove his guilty it must be based on facts and proofs not on assumtions based on insufficient data ....

 

[MartinGT]

Open Letter to Cookson

http://www.tinkoffsaxo.com/news/open-letter-uci-president-mr-brian-cookson/

 

[screaming fist]

Inrng: http://inrng.com/2014/08/uci-roman-kreuziger-athlete-passport/

 

[Rollthedice]

Open Letter to Cookson

http://www.tinkoffsaxo.com/news/open-letter-uci-president-mr-brian-cookson/

So, Kreuziger is suspended during the weekend because he might win something while he might be banned because he might have been violating the bio passport a few years ago. Decided by the mighty Cookson.

 

[zigmeister]

Well, here we go...let's get ready to R-U-M-B-L-E.......

This is surely interesting. Goes to show really how screwed up the UCI is, the issues with "processes", whatever those are we can't tell the way things are done/written.

Saxo makes some good points. Although, nothing new, they did this to Menchov as well. Called it a Bio-passport violation he couldn't 'splain, then suspended him, 1yr ago!! He quietly vanished and it was only recently revealed he was under suspicion for Bio violation...whatever that means exactly we don't know..shroud of mystery the entire process. Oh but wait, Cookson says this is a new era of transparency!!!

Would really like to see the actual Bio-passport numbers/tests where they think there is "manipulation", that will never happen though.

Cookson is really turning out to be a complete nub...

 

[trevim]

The whole thing just reminds me of The Trial by Kafka....

 

[DirtyWorks]

...but if someone want to prove his guilty it must be based on facts and proofs not on assumtions based on insufficient data ....

You haven't read Contador's CAS decision. I'll summarize it for you. Contador explicitely claimed the clen did not come from supplements and went to great effort to document it. CAS panel said it did. CAS panel decided what they decided and didn't use any facts to decide it was supplements.

CAS is an arbitration panel, not a judicial system. CAS is a cloistered group too. At any given time, CAS panel members are working for sports federations, athletes, and on CAS panels. It's unlikely there are any safeguards against corruption.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

You haven't read Contador's CAS decision. I'll summarize it for you. Contador explicitely claimed the clen did not come from supplements and went to great effort to document it. CAS panel said it did. CAS panel decided what they decided and didn't use any facts to decide it was supplements.

CAS is an arbitration panel, not a judicial system. CAS is a cloistered group too. At any given time, CAS panel members are working for sports federations, athletes, and on CAS panels. It's unlikely there are any safeguards against corruption.

Yeah I was wondering about that the other day. Court for Arbitration in Sport. CAS, right? It's a court?

How often does a court make up a reason for the circumstances surrounding your case?

Not normal.

 

[offbyone]

So, Kreuziger is suspended during the weekend because he might win something while he might be banned because he might have been violating the bio passport a few years ago. Decided by the mighty Cookson.

I have no doubt that Kreuziger is guilty as charged, but Cookson promised us reform including more transparency and a clearer process. I am not seeing that. The cases should be open, processed and closed in a business like manner. Each rider should be treated the same. Cookson is dropping the ball.

 

[roundabout]

But each rider is treated the same.

Except for Kreuziger whos team somehow seems to think that he can keep on riding and keep on making expert submission after submission even though that courtesy was not extended to previous riders in that position

And Feltrin's "letter" is the saddest thing I've ever read.

 

[thehook]

RE: Open letter to UCI
Tinkoff.

As I have said before. Roman will answer for his BP "abnormalities"

When does Cookson answer for his clearly prejudicial comments on the case? How does the UCI's presidents comments. Not soil the waters for future hearings on this matter?

And again. Just so I'm clear. Froomes TUE expedited by Zorzoli. And Cookson Jr. working at SKY show no preference???????

Tinkoff again makes UCI look like ***holes. Open letter was perfect. IMHO
And before the SKY fans go nuts. Read my first sentence again.

 

[Netserk]

But each rider is treated the same.

Except for Kreuziger whos team somehow seems to think that he can keep on riding and keep on making expert submission after submission even though that courtesy was not extended to previous riders in that position

And Feltrin's "letter" is the saddest thing I've ever read.

Which rider has previously been suspended by UCI because of a BP case?

 

[JimmyFingers]

Cookson will be damned whatever he does. To me it sounds like another cheat has been caught.

That is a good thing. If people want to debate the various nuances with accompanied hand-wringing then fair enough, but I think its a good decision and a step in the right direction.

 

[roundabout]

Which rider has previously been suspended by UCI because of a BP case?

How about you answering first which riders kept on riding despite their explanations being rejected by the panel?

But to answer your question, yes, this suspension is very shaky. However it doesn't make Kreuziger, Feltrin and co look less like *******s.

 

[Netserk]

How about you answering first which riders kept on riding despite their explanations being rejected by the panel?

But to answer your question, yes, this suspension is very shaky. However it doesn't make Kreuziger, Feltrin and co look less like *******s.

None that I'm aware of.

If UCI don't want them to race after their explanations have been rejected, then all those riders should've been suspended by UCI at that time. It shouldn't be up to the teams. I don't think you can blame the riders/teams for following the rules and letting the rider race.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

The whole thing just reminds me of The Trial by Kafka....

"Someone must have been spreading lies about Roman K, for without having done anything wrong he was arrested one morning"

 

[Dear Wiggo]

But each rider is treated the same.

Sergio Henao, Team Sky.

 

[mrhender]

So basically Cookson is altering praxis in handling these cases based upon a case he claims to no nothing about.....

Well that is just wonderfull....

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Cookson will be damned whatever he does. To me it sounds like another cheat has been caught.

That is a good thing. If people want to debate the various nuances with accompanied hand-wringing then fair enough, but I think its a good decision and a step in the right direction.

Amen... 1+

Clinic don´t like dopers. But if one is caught, UCI gets blamed. Unless it´s one from Sky. It´s ridicoulous... Now even Tinkov was called up for president here. Yikes...

 

[gooner]

Sergio Henao, Team Sky.

That was their own internal protocol which established it with him. He was suspended and it wasn't initiated by the UCI in the first place.

The UCI and CADF were notified of this on the part by Sky.

 

[roundabout]

None that I'm aware of.

If UCI don't want them to race after their explanations have been rejected, then all those riders should've been suspended by UCI at that time. It shouldn't be up to the teams. I don't think you can blame the riders/teams for following the rules and letting the rider race.

It shouldn't be up to teams like Tinkoff. The rest were able to figure out what to do in the same situation.

 

[Kokoso]

So enlighten me what he/UCI shall do different in difficult BP cases...

Firstly I think they shouldn't hear any people saying to drive drunk is OK.

Ah...it's you or not?

 

[theyoungest]

The whole thing just reminds me of The Trial by Kafka....

Except that here the offense and the persecutor are perfectly clear.

 

[Kokoso]

I'd like to know what is BP based on. As far as I know there's ongoing basical research on human physiology so I think I can say safely that we don't quite understand it. And that research, as far as I know, is mostly about "common" physiology, and less about how physiology works in "extreme" situations" as pro cycling. There was Henao's case where research was done by the team. There was no research on that topic before. One must ask if foundations of BP are as shaky as this one.
Physiology is changing during the life. Is there research going for so long to be able to count on that? In some cases some inherited quality can change a lot, for instance one is borned highly intelligent and in one year the same person can be totally demented. That is surely extreme change caused by illness, but there is I think scale of changes going from subtle to severe with regards to lot of qualities.

Those are some questions I'd like to see answered but probably won't.