Lance being Lance

[MarkvW]

Sounds more reliable than legal knowledge from Marky Mark and the Funky Phony Lawyer Bunch.

Enjoy the Borat Conspiracy!

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Thanx for taking the high road on3m@n
I will give him the benefit of the doubt....I just jumped on it before thinking..

but it was the first thing out of his mouth

quote 9000ft: "No, what I find much more fascinating is the pathological hatred for this guy that you don't know and the eager willingness to embrace any tiny scrap of information - or disinformation - that suits the agenda of the CN clinic faithful who inflate it to bigger and grander heights."

I don't think that this statement is anything less than fodder for inflating argument though.

I dislike Lance because of the way he has treated people--- that is well-documented or straight from the mouth of someone I know that was a recipient of said attitude.

the 'cn clinic faithful' would include all who post here does it not?

Yeah, I can see your point. As someone who has had first or second hand experience with some negative exchange with Lance, I can see where your feathers would be ruffled over the 9000ft quote. Is your friend Greg LeMond or the Andreu's by any chance?

 

[Race Radio]

I will be out of the office next Tuesday and will not be able to access any news via the internet. I will check the stories on Wednesday.

You are confused, Tuesday is the Hog's claim to fame.

It will not be next Tuesday. It will be a slow motion train wreck that last for a long time. Wonderboy figures that if he is going down he is taking everyone with him

 

[thehog]

Cal_Joe my good buddy. Alas not worry. The Federal Investigation is over. Lance is off the hook. He has moved on and concentrating on the Foundation and Triathlons. The Grand Jury proceedings are sealed water tight. There's nothing more to worry about. Armstrong's legacy remains.

All the loose ends have been tied up....

How long can we keep this thing shut down do we think? You know. Stop people from talking? Stop the truth from bubbling to the top. How long can we keep control on everyone who might know something and stop them from talking?

Let’s hope that marketing can prevail over truth. I have my fingers crossed that nothing gets out. Be a shame for his great legacy to ruined. (Bono better keep his mouth shut this time around)

In my mind he won clean and nothing is going to spoil that.

You have nothing to worry about. Seriously. It’s all going to be ok...

 

[ChrisE]

Sounds more reliable than legal knowledge from Marky Mark and the Funky Phony Lawyer Bunch.

That's because you only hear what you want to hear. Yes, RR really hit it out of the park on this whole ordeal lol.

Now there's the "it's only halftime!!!" card, that seems oh so credible.

 

[thehog]

Now there's the "it's only halftime!!!" card, that seems oh so credible.

Now you're speculating about speculation!

Credibility is a funny word. I hear it a lot these days. Rhymes a little with culpability.

 

[BroDeal]

That's because you only hear what you want to hear. Yes, RR really hit it out of the park on this whole ordeal lol.

RR continually provided information that proved to be true. RR is not thehog. That he investigation was shut down for political reasons, to the shock and anger of the federal investigators, does not change that. All we got from Marky Mark was a Walter Mitty with a browser tab open to Google. Polish's trolling was more accurate than anything the Wonder Googler ever posted.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Ahhh . . . . The Secret Knowledge that only RR possesses!

Bet you sure wish you possessed any kind of knowledge.

 

[Polish]

Time to sit back and watch the train wreck.... unfortunately Wonderboy is far from the only person effected.

Sit back sure. Sitting for years and years. Keester is sore.

And a "Train Wreck"?
Oh that so scary. Choo Choo crash jolt.

If you survive a Federal Investigation, CIA,FBI,JusticeDept,HomeLandSec,FDA,and Interpol.
That is armegedon. Survive armegedon and a train wreck is "what was that? Did you guys feel something?".
And CAS clearing Lance will just be another victory.

And Big George has raced 17 Paris-Roubaixs. 17 Tour of Flanders. And soon 17 Tour de Frances. NO ONE is tougher than BigGeorge.
17/17/17.
A train wreck is like a bug bite to BigGeorge.
Swat.

 

[bianchigirl]

Ah George Hincapie - a lasting testament to the enduring effects of organised doping. Maybe somebody should do a study on the long term effects of EPO/Actovegin and all those other goodies.

 

[thehog]

Ah George Hincapie - a lasting testament to the enduring effects of organised doping. Maybe somebody should do a study on the long term effects of EPO/Actovegin and all those other goodies.

Yes! George "No one wants a clean peloton more than me" Hincapie..... lest we forget.

 

[ChrisE]

RR continually provided information that proved to be true. RR is not thehog. That he investigation was shut down for political reasons, to the shock and anger of the federal investigators, does not change that. All we got from Marky Mark was a Walter Mitty with a browser tab open to Google. Polish's trolling was more accurate than anything the Wonder Googler ever posted.

For example?

 

[BroDeal]

For example?

A heads up on lots of media stories that were being written long before they came out.

 

[zigmeister]

Waiting for the whole "information sharing" that is being request from the US prosecution to play out. Maybe another 3yrs, then they will announce they have given up also.

 

[JRTinMA]

A heads up on lots of media stories that were being written long before they came out.

All widely available on the net when he reported them here.

 

[thehog]

Waiting for the whole "information sharing" that is being request from the US prosecution to play out. Maybe another 3yrs, then they will announce they have given up also.

Think it will be sooner than that. Perhaps in some other form....

 

[ChrisE]

A heads up on lots of media stories that were being written long before they came out.

Perhaps, but in hindsight was proclaiming the logical things that were happening, subsequently reported, that far out there? Yes USPS was being investigated so it is not a stretch to proclaim all of those around it were subpoena'd, interviewed, investigated, etc.

RR gets his info from Betsy Andreu and her inside gossip circle, who has coincidentally gotten real quiet lately. Maybe her scorched earth activities in forums and blog postings inre to LA over the last few years wasn't perhaps the best thing to be doing....not in terms of whether she was right or wrong in her criticism, but whether or not she would be a good witness if it did go to trial. She would've been whacked on cross, at least enough to make some of the people on the jury think that perhaps she shouldn't be trusted or she had an agenda. Running around shooting her mouth off the last 7 years was not something a prosecutur would be happy about explaining.

Brodeal some of us rubes in here think that a conviction with these types of issues with the evidence (to totally convince 12 people chosen by the prosecution and defense) that occured years ago, most of it overseas, in a non-American main sport, with easily crossed witnesses, involving an American sporting/charity/inspirational icon (whether you believe or like that or not, that is irrelvant...not everybody is brodeal) who would be lawyered up with the best, would be a difficult proposition.

You claim that it was totally political that he got off; you parrot RR here because that is how he saves face in light of his not only not being in the ballpark with his predictions, but not even being on the same planet.

I admit that since LA does have connections that maybe that tipped the govt further to back off. But the things I wrote above are real, and calculated decisions are made each day by the government for political reasons. The real prospect of the govt. getting their azz handed to them in a trial such as this was real (at a minimum look at history), and sometimes people take more things into consideration than who is friends with what senator. If LA was dead meat, meaning it was highly likely 12 rubes would have convicted him, then this would have moved forward.

Mark never walked around crowing about exactly what would ultimately happen...he was more measured in his posts in general than RR, who proclaimed not only LA would be indicted for everything under the sun but he would also come tail-tucked to plea. That totally ignores the reality of the situation in terms of what can be prosecuted successfully, and LA's typical demeanor.

Looking at the totality of this forum over the last year it would seem, to an impartial observer, that Mark is the one that is level-headed vs those that more resemble chicken little than Bob Woodward. Heck Polish would look like a fortune teller to somebody impartial.

BTW, great shot at 'the hog'. Why anybody believes anything he writes is beyond me. I know hating on LA gives people a long rope to spew nonsense, but his rope stretches on forever.

 

[BroDeal]

Perhaps, but in hindsight was proclaiming the logical things that were happening, subsequently reported, that far out there? Yes USPS was being investigated so it is not a stretch to proclaim all of those around it were subpoena'd, interviewed, investigated, etc.

RR gets his info from Betsy Andreu and her inside gossip circle, who has coincidentally gotten real quiet lately. Maybe her scorched earth activities in forums and blog postings inre to LA over the last few years wasn't perhaps the best thing to be doing....not in terms of whether she was right or wrong in her criticism, but whether or not she would be a good witness if it did go to trial. She would've been whacked on cross, at least enough to make some of the people on the jury think that perhaps she shouldn't be trusted or she had an agenda. Running around shooting her mouth off the last 7 years was not something a prosecutur would be happy about explaining.

Brodeal some of us rubes in here think that a conviction with these types of issues with the evidence (to totally convince 12 people chosen by the prosecution and defense) that occured years ago, most of it overseas, in a non-American main sport, with easily crossed witnesses, involving an American sporting/charity/inspirational icon (whether you believe or like that or not, that is irrelvant...not everybody is brodeal) who would be lawyered up with the best, would be a difficult proposition.

You claim that it was totally political that he got off; you parrot RR here because that is how he saves face in light of his not only not being in the ballpark with his predictions, but not even being on the same planet.

I admit that since LA does have connections that maybe that tipped the govt further to back off. But the things I wrote above are real, and calculated decisions are made each day by the government for political reasons. The real prospect of the govt. getting their azz handed to them in a trial such as this was real (at a minimum look at history), and sometimes people take more things into consideration than who is friends with what senator. If LA was dead meat, meaning it was highly likely 12 rubes would have convicted him, then this would have moved forward.

Mark never walked around crowing about exactly what would ultimately happen...he was more measured in his posts in general than RR, who proclaimed not only LA would be indicted for everything under the sun but he would also come tail-tucked to plea. That totally ignores the reality of the situation in terms of what can be prosecuted successfully, and LA's typical demeanor.

Looking at the totality of this forum over the last year it would seem, to an impartial observer, that Mark is the one that is level-headed vs those that more resemble chicken little than Bob Woodward. Heck Polish would look like a fortune teller to somebody impartial.

BTW, great shot at 'the hog'. Why anybody believes anything he writes is beyond me. I know hating on LA gives people a long rope to spew nonsense, but his rope stretches on forever.

Nice post but it has little to do with Marky Mark, who instead of making a broad argument about the realities of prosecuting a rich cheater spent his time pretending that he was familiar with the intricacies of the law.

 

[ChrisE]

Nice post but it has little to do with Marky Mark, who instead of making a broad argument about the realities of prosecuting a rich cheater spent his time pretending that he was familiar with the intricacies of the law.

I meandered back to Mark at the end of the post to stay on our topic, but I wanted to address what you alluded to in your previous response about why this IMO didn't go forward. You said it was "shut down for political reasons" and overall yeah I can see that point...political in a sense that it would look bad when (IMO) the govt lost. If there is one thing that is for sure about the Obama administration is they have no conviction in what they believe (assuming they would normally take an ethical position here and go forward), forever with their finger in the wind weakly fluttering around. I predicted on here that he would first not plea, and then win the trial. I am surprised this thing went this far, in hindsight.

I am not a lawyer so I cannot speak about the validity of what Mark was posting, but ultimately we will not get to see because the investigation was canned and no indictments/trial came down. His opinion about what was happening at a particular moment when the GJ was in was no better or worse than any of us arm chair lawyers in here. That leaves alot of gray area on how right or wrong his opinions were vs RR's total whiff.

 

[Race Radio]

All widely available on the net when he reported them here.

Really? Where did you read about Tyler's book first? About George? Radioshack-Leopard? SI? 60 Minutes? WSJ? These days I backed off. Don't want to interfere with anything investigations....like the investigation into Floyd. That is about to go from absurd to ridiculous.

Look, we understand. It is hard for you to deal with the death of the myth but is is not my fault Wonderboy has done a craptastic about of garbage for decades.

 

[Race Radio]

Waiting for the whole "information sharing" that is being request from the US prosecution to play out. Maybe another 3yrs, then they will announce they have given up also.

How do you know that this has not already been done?

USADA, USADA, USADA

 

[mewmewmew13]

Perhaps, but in hindsight was proclaiming the logical things that were happening, subsequently reported, that far out there? Yes USPS was being investigated so it is not a stretch to proclaim all of those around it were subpoena'd, interviewed, investigated, etc.

RR gets his info from Betsy Andreu and her inside gossip circle, who has coincidentally gotten real quiet lately. Maybe her scorched earth activities in forums and blog postings inre to LA over the last few years wasn't perhaps the best thing to be doing....not in terms of whether she was right or wrong in her criticism, but whether or not she would be a good witness if it did go to trial. She would've been whacked on cross, at least enough to make some of the people on the jury think that perhaps she shouldn't be trusted or she had an agenda. Running around shooting her mouth off the last 7 years was not something a prosecutur would be happy about explaining.

Brodeal some of us rubes in here think that a conviction with these types of issues with the evidence (to totally convince 12 people chosen by the prosecution and defense) that occured years ago, most of it overseas, in a non-American main sport, with easily crossed witnesses, involving an American sporting/charity/inspirational icon (whether you believe or like that or not, that is irrelvant...not everybody is brodeal) who would be lawyered up with the best, would be a difficult proposition.

You claim that it was totally political that he got off; you parrot RR here because that is how he saves face in light of his not only not being in the ballpark with his predictions, but not even being on the same planet.

I admit that since LA does have connections that maybe that tipped the govt further to back off. But the things I wrote above are real, and calculated decisions are made each day by the government for political reasons. The real prospect of the govt. getting their azz handed to them in a trial such as this was real (at a minimum look at history), and sometimes people take more things into consideration than who is friends with what senator. If LA was dead meat, meaning it was highly likely 12 rubes would have convicted him, then this would have moved forward.

Mark never walked around crowing about exactly what would ultimately happen...he was more measured in his posts in general than RR, who proclaimed not only LA would be indicted for everything under the sun but he would also come tail-tucked to plea. That totally ignores the reality of the situation in terms of what can be prosecuted successfully, and LA's typical demeanor.

Looking at the totality of this forum over the last year it would seem, to an impartial observer, that Mark is the one that is level-headed vs those that more resemble chicken little than Bob Woodward. Heck Polish would look like a fortune teller to somebody impartial.

BTW, great shot at 'the hog'. Why anybody believes anything he writes is beyond me. I know hating on LA gives people a long rope to spew nonsense, but his rope stretches on forever.

I'm not sure about the idea of people thinking Betsy had an agenda....the Betsy-bashers on here seem to think that standing up against an overbearing guy and defending her integrity is 'shooting her mouth off'.

But it seems that one could possibly make the same comment about Lance running around 'shooting his mouth off for x years' ....how do you excuse/explain that ?

...and that other statement that includes this phrase... "to an impartial observer"??
who here could possibly be an impartial observer???

 

[Polish]

Where did you read about Tyler's book first? .

Facts4Lance.com broke the "Tyler's Book" story I thought.
Right between "waste of taxpayer money" and "witch hunt".
It was called Facts4Lance for a reason. Facts.

 

[Race Radio]

Facts4Lance.com broke the "Tyler's Book" story I thought.
Right between "waste of taxpayer money" and "witch hunt".
It was called Facts4Lance for a reason. Facts.

You thought wrong. 5 months before 60 Minutes
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=409069#post409069

Going to be a great book. Lance screwed with the wrong guy and Coyle is the best guy to write it, excellent writer, great topic, good guy.

Speaking of Tyler anyone wonder why USADA/USAC/IOC have not done anything on his Olympic medal? Do you think the Feds did this big investigation and nobody said anything about Julich and Eki?

 

[Race Radio]

I'm not sure about the idea of people thinking Betsy had an agenda....the Betsy-bashers on here seem to think that standing up against an overbearing guy and defending her integrity is 'shooting her mouth off'.

And now some are trying to paint Betsy as the real force behind the scene, directing the investigation, calling the shots.

The desperation is obvious. Betsy is too busy doing her human wood chipper impersonation at the Golden Corral to be in charge of a grand conspiracy.