Landis ABC Nightline interview

[Cobber]

The episode can be seen here.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/vid...tab=9482930&section=1206872&playlist=11242417

 

[andy1234]

I particularly like the part with Lances lawyer complaining that the investigators have not told him about the details of the investigation.
Maybe its because they dont want you to know????

Also interesting is the constant talk of agreeing to an investigation that isnt a "witch hunt". Does Armstrongs team really believe that they have much say in how the investigation will be carried out? Even at this stage, Armstrongs team seem to be under the impression that they are running the show.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Agree with Blakeslee from the other page. Some observations:

Interesting that they put Tyler and Frankie in the same sentence as former teammates who confessed to doping. Frankie by all counts seems to have told all he had to say. Tyler otoh admitted to the DHEA but to help fight depression, and still hasn't fully confessed to blood doping (though I sense very strongly it's coming).

Disappointed they didn't point out, or let Floyd point out, that testing doesn't catch most cheats, and there is no test for autologous blood doping. I would have liked a little more education as to why cyclists dope, and how they get away with it. Even 30 seconds of this would have helped.

Nice to see CN get props.

Overall a good show for the general public though.

 

[marinoni]

[quote=Alpe d'Huez;29279
Disappointed they didn't point out, or let Floyd point out, that testing doesn't catch most cheats, and there is no test for autologous blood doping. I would have liked a little more education as to why cyclists dope, and how they get away with it. Even 30 seconds of this would have helped.

Yeah, they said at the beginning that they talked to him for 90 minutes and we got maybe 7-8 edited minutes of it. It'd be interesting to know what they left out.

 

[kokohead]

Hey Lance, Floyd just kicked your ash in the PR wars

Armstrong needs to get out ahead of this thing. He needs to hide his extremely untelegenic attorney in a soundproof room and hire the best PR firm money can buy.

It's too late to stonewall--that will just erode all the goodwill he's built up over the years, and it plays right into Novitsky's hand. He should do a James Frey and go on Oprah and just tell the truth to a daytime audience of sympathetic couch potatoes. This would be a great scoop for Oprah and she will bend over backwards to portray Armstrong in a positive light. Lance can even get all misty-eyed, at which point Oprah will spontaneously offer a shoulder to cry on before cutting to commercial break...

Americans still love him for the time being, and they will be sympathetic and eat this crap up, especially if Lance reminds everybody every two minutes how many good things he has done for so many people. Well, better to have Oprah remind him, because he himself would be too humble to bring up such matters.

This gambit would take the wind out of Novitsky's sails and may cause the investigation to close and save Armstrong a lot of money and scrutiny.

 

[Anonymous]

Americans already know the story. No nuclear bomb. Everyone I know thinks he probably doped. We also know everyone else was probably doping and that was the culture - dope, lie, etc. If not Lance, to whom should go the spoils? All have sinned. We admire the man, know he is far from perfect, but love what we can - his determination, fight, and care for others who struggle. As for the bad stuff, it wasn't Landis's place to talk about it. That's up to Lance.

The "bad" stuff? I think we are only scratching the surface of the "bad" stuff. And note that Lance has had every opportunity to talk about the "bad" stuff...and he decided to beat us over the head with "I am on my bike 6 hours per day busing my a$$, what are you on." Funny how the fanboy level of acceptance is changing. Now it is "I am on my bike 6 hours per day busing my a$$ and transfusing my own blood and micro-dosing EPO during the tour, what are you on because maybe we need to compare notes because everyone is doping and I want to make sure I am doing it best."

 

[Anonymous]

I don't really know if he doped or not, over the years I've heard believeable pros and cons for both sides. At this point there are still two issues that bother me. One regarding Landis and one regarding those who've been caught doping that have had some connection to Armstrong.

I've never seen this mentioned before but it really bothers me when everyone starts with the '... his previous teammates doped so he must have' arguement. As I understand it the belief is that the team all doped together or at least using the same methodology. That makes sense. What bothers me is this: if Armstrong and all his teammates used the same methods for not getting caught, and they haven't, why is it that Heras, Beltran, Landis, etc. only got caught after going to other teams? It's the one question that keeps coming back over and over. Obviously whatever method Armstrong and his teams use is very successful. Given that success record why would any of the people who moved to other teams not go on using the same method? If they did, why did they get caught when Armstrong and his teammates at that time not get caught? That more than anything leaves me with a small bit of doubt. As I said, I've never seen it addressed and I'm hoping someone can.

As for Landis, he just turns my stomach. Whether he's telling the truth or not anytime I read someone talking him up as some kind hero or saying how great he is that 'he's willing to sacrifice himself to clean up the sport'; it makes me want to vomit!! Doesn't anyone question why, when he admitted his doping (and supposedly that of all his teammates), he still insists that he WASN'T doping when he won the Tour? He's willing to say anything but still not willing to let go of his 'win' of the Tour. To me that says he's still out more for himself than trying to do 'right' by the sport.

I just hope this whole thing gets wrapped up quickly so the 'cycling forums' go back to actually talking about cycling.

What annoys me is someone who didn't actually read what Floyd said about 2006. He said he doped, he said he was not knowingly using Testosterone at that point. He said he should have been busted for other things, just not test.

Which leads me to this, ever ask yourself why it was always them getting busted AFTER leaving Armstrong's team by an organization who took "donations" from him?

 

[Anonymous]

I hope this was not lost on viewers: Armstrong has not been subpoenaed. That means his input will not be needed until he is on trial. They are not interested in what his statements are regarding all of this. It will be up to a judge or jury to decide if they have any credibility...that is if he doesn't plea bargain.

 

[Squares]

what's the difference between raising money to defend a lie, and build an empire based on lies?

I guess I would ask one question to discern if there IS a difference.

Who has benefitted from the lie/empire?

In Landis' case, it is clear that (other than the attorneys who collected high fees to defend him) the sole beneificiary was Floyd.

In the Armstrong case, did USPS benefit at all from the advertisment and publicity they gained through their sponsorship?

Has any cancer patient or researcher benefitted from the research and advocacy programs of the Livestrong foundation?

Has Trek sold more bikes because of LA?

Has Nike sold cycleing clothing that they would not have sold otherwise?

Has Carmichael gotten more clients?

It is hard to say that only LA has derived any benefit from his lie!

and that is why LA has people standing behind him and FLandis is showing up to race in a plain gray T-shirt.

Oh, and to be sure, I am not stating in any way that LA has or has not doped so don't attack me on that.

 

[Publicus]

anyone who donated money to floyd in the belief that he was not a doper got exactly what they deserved.

erader

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Anonymous]

Floyd maybe telling the truth... but here it is, If you wanna do "the right thing" and have me care, work hard to raise money and payback all the people who gave you money for your defense - that you now say was fraud- then, maybe then, I'll care to listen to anything else you might have to say about life or racing...

I am fairly certain that he doesn't have any concern about whether or not you "care." Neither does anyone else really. If you are going to post this kind of stupidity, please do it in the amusing manner that some of your other brethren post mmkay. I mean, Polish might be an absolute taintstain, but he is funny.

 

[Race Radio]

Armstrong needs to get out ahead of this thing. He needs to hide his extremely untelegenic attorney in a soundproof room and hire the best PR firm money can buy.

No joke. Herman resembles a toad. Quite the shock when show shifts from "Hot Soccer Mom" Betsy to Herman. Makes you cringe

 

[tubularglue]

Did Lance Cheat Video ? Landis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyfbcVn4qJ8

 

[forty four]

Let me get this straight... first you believe him (inocent) and give him money... but now he says he defrauded you... and you believe him, and think you got your money's worth. I have some great land you might be interested in...

some people are just stupid. whats really funny is how he says he came out to 'let the truth out' what a load. he came out after multiple failed blackmailing attempts to get back in the toc if that had worked we would not be reading these allegations now. thats the kind of person flandis is he is a douche. some people have willful short term memory problems and forget the details by choice. what he is saying about la and others im sure is probably true but anyone who cannot see this man for what he is lacks moral integrity put simply. he also directly names names of supposed friends so pathetic.

 

[Anonymous]

some people are just stupid. whats really funny is how he says he came out to 'let the truth out' what a load. he came out after multiple failed blackmailing attempts to get back in the toc if that had worked we would not be reading these allegations now. thats the kind of person flandis is he is a douche. some people have willful short term memory problems and forget the details by choice. what he is saying about la and others im sure is probably true but anyone who cannot see this man for what he is lacks moral integrity put simply. he also directly names names of supposed friends so pathetic.

A man who hasn't mastered the usage of commas shouldn't throw around the term "stupid."

 

[sartain]

I guess I would ask one question to discern if there IS a difference.

Who has benefitted from the lie/empire?

In Landis' case, it is clear that (other than the attorneys who collected high fees to defend him) the sole beneficiary was Floyd.

In the Armstrong case, did USPS benefit at all from the advertisement and publicity they gained through their sponsorship?

Has any cancer patient or researcher benefitted from the research and advocacy programs of the Livestrong foundation?

Has Trek sold more bikes because of LA?

Has Nike sold cycleing clothing that they would not have sold otherwise?

Has Carmichael gotten more clients?

It is hard to say that only LA has derived any benefit from his lie!

and that is why LA has people standing behind him and FLandis is showing up to race in a plain gray T-shirt.

Oh, and to be sure, I am not stating in any way that LA has or has not doped so don't attack me on that.

So in the case of LA, what I read from your post is that the ends justify the means? Well, they don't. In the case of CC, man, pull your head out; the guy is a DB who really does not know much at all if you have ever listened to one of his "talks" on training. The people that LA has "standing behind" all PROFIT from him. Nike's reputation needs no further explanation. It will be very interesting to see if Trek actually continues on with their sponsorship in the future.

 

[carl spackler]

I guess I would ask one question to discern if there IS a difference.

Who has benefitted from the lie/empire?

.

You might also ask who has been hurt more from the lie/empire? And who continues to be hurt?

Although the consequences of Lances and Floyd's actions are not yet known, if they ever even will be for that matter.

This is what I believe Floyd has come to realize: At some point you have to decide for yourself what is right regardless of the consequences.

 

[Animal]

Let me get this straight... first you believe him (inocent) and give him money... but now he says he defrauded you... and you believe him, and think you got your money's worth. I have some great land you might be interested in...

Do you ever, I mean EVER read comprehend and internalize the meanings of sentences?

Your post is a non-sequitur. Meaningless.

 

[fatandfast]

Agree with Blakeslee from the other page. Some observations:

Interesting that they put Tyler and Frankie in the same sentence as former teammates who confessed to doping. Frankie by all counts seems to have told all he had to say. Tyler otoh admitted to the DHEA but to help fight depression, and still hasn't fully confessed to blood doping (though I sense very strongly it's coming).

Disappointed they didn't point out, or let Floyd point out, that testing doesn't catch most cheats, and there is no test for autologous blood doping. I would have liked a little more education as to why cyclists dope, and how they get away with it. Even 30 seconds of this would have helped.

Nice to see CN get props.

I agree. I was also taken with why it was Betsy and none of the other faces flashed on the screen. Lance's lawyer was a good ol'boy of the highest level. It may come down to the UCI and if they have let some guy's positive result go for what they thought for what was the better of the sport. Lance played right into the hands of the TV production. Had he let everybody say their piece and make a written statement saying he would have nothing to say until we are asked by the court it may have made it look like an angry mob. Instead Lance and Landis both appear to be scum..with 1 guy trying to heal himself. Lance better get to NY or LA and get somebody that doesn't talk and look like Forrest Gump

 

[Tim_sleepless]

Lance's lawyer says 300 tests. Lance says 500. Discuss.

200 of them were resits.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

anyone who donated money to floyd in the belief that he was not a doper got exactly what they deserved.

erader

Exactly.

And it should follow that the same morons who feel they were defrauded by Floyd Landis think what he's saying now about Lance isn't true.

Armstrong's empire is built on the assumption that the supply of these simpletons is endless. You know, the ones who hear Bruyneel dismiss Landis' claims because "I've always known him to be angry", and buy that!

 

[Ninety5rpm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyfbcVn4qJ8

Is the full 90 minute interview available anywhere?

 

[buckwheat]

anyone who donated money to floyd in the belief that he was not a doper got exactly what they deserved.

erader

So how much did you donate?

Thaaank you!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Hello!

They want to play the blind man and then blame someone else.

The price they paid to Floyd enabled them to get their rocks off.

 

[richwagmn]

I'm wondering why he simply didn't confess and leave it at that. Does he really want cycling to be clean or is he after some payback?

I don't see how FL taking down other riders improves the sport going forward.
We all know how rampant doping was. Where does FL stop?

 

[Hugh Januss]

I guess I would ask one question to discern if there IS a difference.

Who has benefitted from the lie/empire?

In Landis' case, it is clear that (other than the attorneys who collected high fees to defend him) the sole beneificiary was Floyd.

In the Armstrong case, did USPS benefit at all from the advertisment and publicity they gained through their sponsorship?

Has any cancer patient or researcher benefitted from the research and advocacy programs of the Livestrong foundation?

Has Trek sold more bikes because of LA?

Has Nike sold cycleing clothing that they would not have sold otherwise?

Has Carmichael gotten more clients?

It is hard to say that only LA has derived any benefit from his lie!

and that is why LA has people standing behind him and FLandis is showing up to race in a plain gray T-shirt.

Oh, and to be sure, I am not stating in any way that LA has or has not doped so don't attack me on that.

So all the Mafia bosses are great guys, because look what nice livings all their supporters have made.