andy1234 said:Words fail me
Only when it comes to raising a legitimate point.
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andy1234 said:Words fail me
la.margna said:While this is far from reality, there is no doubt that any uniballer-sect-members would wear yellow headbands or dickrings or yellow wherever their boss tells them to do so
Thoughtforfood said:If Floyd said to put grapes in a fruit salad, people like you would bring up the FFF and why nobody should ever trust him again, and why you believe The Uniballer has more credibility, and how Floyd is bitter, and how Floyd is obviously looking for Whistle Blower money, and how Betsy is a liar, and...
andy1234 said:F**k me you guys are like a broken record.
"your either wit us or aginst us" (in southern accent)
Armstrong and Landis are the same F***ing thing. One got caught, the other one didnt (yet)
Thoughtforfood said:If Floyd said to put grapes in a fruit salad, people like you would bring up the FFF and why nobody should ever trust him again, and why you believe The Uniballer has more credibility, and how Floyd is bitter, and how Floyd is obviously looking for Whistle Blower money, and how Betsy is a liar, and...
Mambo95 said:"People like you". Who exactly do you think people like me are? A quick check of past posts will show that I have consistently said that I think Armstrong doped (quite a lot). However, I rarely get involved in Armstrong threads, and I'm fairly sure I have never mentioned FFF, whistler blower money, Betsy or any of that stuff.
On the other hand, I don't automatically believe everything Landis says, just because he wrote that nice e-mail (which itself may well have had a couple of small factual errors in it). Many on the other hand treat every word as though it is unimpeachable wisdom - hence the tomato quip.
I have also recently posted that this forum is now so polarized into extremes, that sensible reason debate is largely redundant, with many posters replacing reason and sense with bile and vitriol - a point which you have most generously illustrated.
hrotha said:Who cares, anyway? If Garmin is a UCI-sanctioned fraud this is bigger than LA.
Benotti69 said:Floyd's Levels;
TdF - 30.06.05 hct 44.5%
TdF - 18.07.05 hct 45.2%
TdF - 23.07.05 hct 42.8%
Wiggins Levels;
TdF - 01.07.2009 hemoglobin = 15(g/dl)
TdF - 14.07.2009 hemoglobin = 14(g/dl)
TdF - 20.07.2009 hemoglobin = 15.5(g/dl)
TdF - 25.07.2009 hemoglobin = 13(g/dl)
Wiggins graph shows a peak in the third week same as Floyd
Mambo95 said:Wiggins didn't have the same values. He had, from the very limited data provided by Wiggins, what appeared to Landis's completely unqualified mind to be similar values to his.
Does Landis have any idea what clean values should be? Does anyone who posts on here?
Mambo95 said:Some questions for you.
What time of day where each of the tests done?
How much does the hemoglobin (and Hct) level of an average human vary in a single day?
What does to the hemoglobin (and Hct) graph look like for an average 30 year old man over three week period?
What does the hemoglobin (and Hct) graph of a clean rider in the Tour de France look like?
What impact do dehydration and the toughness of racing have on hemoglobin?
Why are you comparing variations in HCT levels with Hb levels? Do you know what the difference is?
Does your knowledge of blood profiles extend beyond the simplistic (and incorrect) 'number goes up=doping'?
dbrower said:I remember asking very similar questions at the time Landis' values were being discussed the first time. I thought they were pretty good rejoinders, but we saw how that worked out.
I think 'clean' and 'doped' values have so much overlap it's hard to tell, and you start looking at other indicators -- like like extraordinary performance, and whispers. Not proof, but as they say, "eyebrow raising".
-dB
Mambo95 said:"People like you". Who exactly do you think people like me are? A quick check of past posts will show that I have consistently said that I think Armstrong doped (quite a lot). However, I rarely get involved in Armstrong threads, and I'm fairly sure I have never mentioned FFF, whistler blower money, Betsy or any of that stuff.
On the other hand, I don't automatically believe everything Landis says, just because he wrote that nice e-mail (which itself may well have had a couple of small factual errors in it). Many on the other hand treat every word as though it is unimpeachable wisdom - hence the tomato quip.
I have also recently posted that this forum is now so polarized into extremes, that sensible reason debate is largely redundant, with many posters replacing reason and sense with bile and vitriol - a point which you have most generously illustrated.
Thoughtforfood said:The filters will not allow me to answer the first question.
On the second point, for all of your feigned objectivity, it is clear to anyone with an IQ north of 90 that you stand on a pole yourself. Physician heal thyself.
Thoughtforfood said:The filters will not allow me to answer the first question.
On the second point, for all of your feigned objectivity, it is clear to anyone with an IQ north of 90 that you stand on a pole yourself. Physician heal thyself.
BotanyBay said:Interestingly enough, the original blog post is now gone from the versus website.
Granville57 said:Tada!!!
The original article on Versus by Neil Browne.
Strangely titled: The Inside Story of of Matt White's Firing
Floyd Landis has struck out once again at the cycling establishment...
Boeing said:His timing is suspect. Outs all at the start of ToC. Then a farewell statement at the start of the 2011 season in OZ. He gets no fanfare for the goodbye so he is back in attack mode.
Granville57 said:Here it is, Botany.
BotanyBay said:Thanks Granville57. It's amazing that they can post something like this and make it vanish the next day. lack-o-balls.
dbrower said:I think Landis is feeling the oats of freedom coming from not giving a flying leap about racing again, and being judgment-proof.
-dB
fatandfast said:more investigation needs to done on Landis's computer expertise and real financial holdings. He has a deep inside knowledge into every team and aspect of cycling. I ma starting to think instead of a new hip he got an xray vision device that allows him to see everything even down to the makeup of Wiggins blood. I think the front of Landis as a penniless,cheat ,bitter liar is all a put on. He is cyclings rainman..Thank you Landis I look forward to more useful information about things you know all about. You probably have a huge avocado farm on a mountain someplace in North County and only fool all the people by living in a dump..you are a wily one Mr.Landis
Mambo95 said:McGee came 8th in the Giro and Boardman came 2nd in the Dauphine, so they could both climb a bit when they put their mind to it.
Galic Ho said:McGee was on so much hot sauce in 2004 it wasn't funny. Look at that years Giro. Very flat. Cunego won. Need I say more?
andy1234 said:Are you serious?