Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[Anonymous]

Landis has apologised to lemond..

in this thread

this is getting more and more serious for lance

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Those are not my views, but those of a mental case, hence the quote marks.

No need to bring Coolhand's thoughts here. The guy tosses more salads than McDonalds.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

hohioh LANDIS in hot water my god what happen there mr LANDIS has tarnish the world cycling for ever uhuhuhu the guy hes crazy maybe he will finished has PANTANI mr LANDIS has no respect for anyone hes a loser for ever common men wake up ,you did burry your head in the sand too denied all then now you open your mouth your big mouth hes a such lyer how they going too beleived him?
that story will goes on for years and years too finished no where hes a dead issue no one will talk ever never too risky.
hes rely a shame for cycling those guy suffer so much on the bike try too earn a living then a ******* nut crazy want too run the world with all hes lye hope no one talk too him anywhere he cannot go too france or be arrested hehehhe very funny if was LANDIS i wont sleep at all anymore maybe he has too watch hes back you never the twist of the story.???????????

 

[simmspin]

hohioh LANDIS in hot water my god what happen there mr LANDIS has tarnish the world cycling for ever uhuhuhu the guy hes crazy maybe he will finished has PANTANI mr LANDIS has no respect for anyone hes a loser for ever common men wake up ,you did burry your head in the sand too denied all then now you open your mouth your big mouth hes a such lyer how they going too beleived him?
that story will goes on for years and years too finished no where hes a dead issue no one will talk ever never too risky.
hes rely a shame for cycling those guy suffer so much on the bike try too earn a living then a ******* nut crazy want too run the world with all hes lye hope no one talk too him anywhere he cannot go too france or be arrested hehehhe very funny if was LANDIS i wont sleep at all anymore maybe he has too watch hes back you never the twist of the story.???????????

Punctuation is your friend

 

[theswordsman]

the times are saying Kristin armstrong is co-operating with the feds

see this thread
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=219355&posted=1#post219355

That would be massive. Get Kristin to talk, and a couple of named riders doing so in exchange for leniency, and watch the dominoes fall.

My computer was attacked and killed Thursday night, so I'm way behind in reading posts. Forgive me if this is a repeat, but I just remembered what a career Chris Carmichael made for himself due to Armstrong's success. He's sold bunches of training books for people who wanted to "train like Lance".

 

[Anonymous]

Punctuation is your friend

possibly his/hers only friend

 

[D Avoid]

No need to bring Coolhand's thoughts here. The guy tosses more salads than McDonalds.

I tossed in a salad once, every one, except the girl with the salt intolerance, wanted the recipe.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

That would be massive. Get Kristin to talk, and a couple of named riders doing so in exchange for leniency, and watch the dominoes fall.

My computer was attacked and killed Thursday night, so I'm way behind in reading posts. Forgive me if this is a repeat, but I just remembered what a career Chris Carmichael made for himself due to Armstrong's success. He's sold bunches of training books for people who wanted to "train like Lance".

I'm glad you brought up Carmichael's name in here. That guy is another boot-licking fraud who has made a living off really gullible, poorly-informed people.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm glad you brought up Carmichael's name in here. That guy is another boot-licking fraud who has made a living off really gullible, poorly-informed people.

Leave Chris Comical out of this - I bought one of his books and I can now spin better than Public Strategies (Hey y'all), CSE & TRS combined.

 

[rata de sentina]

I'm glad you brought up Carmichael's name in here. That guy is another boot-licking fraud who has made a living off really gullible, poorly-informed people.

Oh there´s a whole host of people who´ve been suckling at this teat. Let´s hope that milk is going to go real sour.

 

[Ferminal]

Not sure if its been posted yet but here it is again, story translation courtesy of NY Velocity, worthy read:

A Dirty Deal

http://nyvelocity.com/content/features/2010/dirty-deal

Basically states what many have thought or hypothesized for some time, UCI must also go down.

Great read.

Didn't realise that Vlad was going after the UCI too, until he got a ride.

 

[Ginseng]

It might be fair to say that Floyd feels slighted because even with doping, he could not beat the world's best. Then he became the scapegoat. That's gotta hurt deep down inside, which partly explains his current attacks.

There are a lot of opinions on this thread ... good reading! It seems that no matter what way you slice it, Armstrong will likely come out of this OK and Floyd's reputation will just get worse and worse.

 

[theswordsman]

Floyd Landis, the cyclist who recently admitted to doping after four years of vehemently denying it, showed up at the Tour of California on Saturday, looking like an important man

Flanked by private security guards wearing bulletproof vests and carrying guns and nightsticks, he was escorted into the hospitality area for the sponsor of his current team, OUCH-Bahati Foundation Pro Cycling, a domestic-level squad that was not invited to this eight-day race.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/sports/cycling/23cycling.html

 

[Colm.Murphy]

Armstrong will likely come out of this OK

Not sure where you are posting from but from all angles this spells true jeopardy for "Mr. Armstrong".

 

[Ginseng]

Coolhand's take on things:

"Not really, most of his statements seem a bit detached from reality.

Some "new" thoughts though:

1. The thought that doping may have bigger effects on the personality/stability of the user over the long term. Messing with your system like that (especially hormones/steroids) may have serious long term damage. You see it in American football players for example. And with a few racers we lost as well.

2. I was surprised at the extent and duration of his doping. I always assumed that the pressure of team leadership at Phonak (and the impending hip surgery) led him to dope. I was completely wrong- he was 100% dope made rider. Depressing actually.

3. Tied to #1- the incredibly poor choices he made over the last 4 years. Initially his case was no worse than David Millar's. Only after being caught red handed and forced to admit he doped- Millar got and followed some good advice. Fess up, apologize, do your time and he probably could have come back like Millar and a certain 6 time French TdF KOM winner did. Same with Tyler Hamilton- some very very bad choices and decisions- to the extent you wonder about impairment."

This post leaves me with no other option other than to say that Coolhand, by his own reasoning, has been doping for years, and is now suffering the consequences.

Well, I do not know this Coolhand, but the postulate is reasonable - namley that all that PED use could mess with one's head. We may not all agree with it, but that does not make it bad or wrong.

 

[Ginseng]

Not sure where you are posting from but from all angles this spells true jeopardy for "Mr. Armstrong".

Well that is not a given. Right now I just hear one person's word against another. Whilst Armstrong may have lied in his past, there is no doubt Landis did, and he did so publically and repeatedly, and also took their money. He does not possess any real credibility.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Well that is not a given. Right now I just hear one person's word against another. Whilst Armstrong may have lied in his past, there is no doubt Landis did, and he did so publically and repeatedly, and also took their money. He does not possess any real credibility.

Sorry BPC, what was that you were saying about credibility?

As you said - Lance lied in the past, Floyd lied in the past - now they have two seperate versions of the same story.
Do you think the guy with nothing to lose or everything to lose is lying?

 

[theswordsman]

Well that is not a given. Right now I just hear one person's word against another. Whilst Armstrong may have lied in his past, there is no doubt Landis did, and he did so publicly and repeatedly, and also took their money. He does not possess any real credibility.

Once again, it's not a popularity contest to see who can get the most people to believe them. Floyd has years worth of detailed training diaries. He's implicated dozens of riders, plus managers and owners. Based on reports today, two of the people named have said they were contacted by an agency about cooperating in exchange for leniency. Another report has Kristen Armstrong, Lances wife, cooperating. They have a top government investigator leading the chase.

People keep saying Lance is the most tested athlete in the world, and has never tested positive. Cycling fans know that the cheaters are always ahead of the testers. Riders were using EPO for years before it would turn up in a test. Well guess what, there's a test now, and there are refrigerators filled with most tested samples. And better yet, Armstrong was half owner in Tailwind Sports. If guys come forward and say that Lance gave then drugs, or pressured then to use drugs, he's still neck deep in it. Watch your favorite TV detective/police/CSI type show, and imagine that the stars are doing everything they can to find evidence on Lance. That's how it could be in real life. Soon.

I'm sure you're just doing your job, but let me pose a question. If Armstrong is arrested and imprisoned, and stripped of some victories, what will be your reaction?

 

[Ginseng]

As you said - Lance lied in the past, Floyd lied in the past - now they have two seperate versions of the same story.
Do you think the guy with nothing to lose or everything to lose is lying?

Actually, I said Armstrong might have lied ... I do not profess to know one way or another, nor do you. The problem for Floyd is that he has been caught in his own lie. Only recently he was interviewed by Larry King and continued to deny doping. He had many, many people contribute their money for his "fairness fund". So, did he lie then, or is he lying now. More likely, he lied then and still clings to some lies now.

It could even be that he has read these forums and is using the hypotheses he has read here. Floyd does not really come across as intelligent, so his thoughts on doping could be someone elses.

 

[Ginseng]

Once again, it's not a popularity contest to see who can get the most people to believe them. Floyd has years worth of detailed training diaries. He's implicated dozens of riders, plus managers and owners. Based on reports today, two of the people named have said they were contacted by an agency about cooperating in exchange for leniency. Another report has Kristen Armstrong, Lances wife, cooperating. They have a top government investigator leading the chase.

People keep saying Lance is the most tested athlete in the world, and has never tested positive. Cycling fans know that the cheaters are always ahead of the testers. Riders were using EPO for years before it would turn up in a test. Well guess what, there's a test now, and there are refrigerators filled with most tested samples. And better yet, Armstrong was half owner in Tailwind Sports. If guys come forward and say that Lance gave then drugs, or pressured then to use drugs, he's still neck deep in it. Watch your favorite TV detective/police/CSI type show, and imagine that the stars are doing everything they can to find evidence on Lance. That's how it could be in real life. Soon.

I'm sure you're just doing your job, but let me pose a question. If Armstrong is arrested and imprisoned, and stripped of some victories, what will be your reaction?

To answer your last question first, if Armstrong is found guilty, then he should have some or all of his victories removed and he might deserve to be arrested and imprisoned. I would feel the same as always when this happens to an athlete for cheating - sad that they cheated, glad they were caught, and a bit cynical in the processes.

Everything right now about what Floyd is saying behind closed doors is just rumour. Other people coming forward is, right now, rumor. Until this giant wave everyone thinks is going to happen actually happens, it is ... nothing.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

To answer your last question first, if Armstrong is found guilty, then he should have some or all of his victories removed and he might deserve to be arrested and imprisoned. I would feel the same as always when this happens to an athlete for cheating - sad that they cheated, glad they were caught, and a bit cynical in the processes.

Everything right now about what Floyd is saying behind closed doors is just rumour. Other people coming forward is, right now, rumor. Until this giant wave everyone thinks is going to happen actually happens, it is ... nothing.

No BPC - Lance acheivements are built on sand, so it would only take a few ripples for it all to fall.

A fart in a tub could be enough to bring it down, and right now USADA are giving some people a lot of beans.

 

[Cerberus]

Watch your favorite TV detective/police/CSI type show, and imagine that the stars are doing everything they can to find evidence on Lance. That's how it could be in real life.

OMG! That means Armstrong is innocent! It's never the first suspect who did it.

 

[Ginseng]

If guys come forward and say that Lance gave then drugs, or pressured then to use drugs, he's still neck deep in it. Watch your favorite TV detective/police/CSI type show, and imagine that the stars are doing everything they can to find evidence on Lance. That's how it could be in real life. Soon.

Theswordsman, are you American? Your imagination seems to be running somewhat amok in regards to how these things work. It is not going to be anything like the TV shows you mention.

 

[Elagabalus]

It might be fair to say that Floyd feels slighted because even with doping, he could not beat the world's best...

Huh?! Being crowned Tour de France champion, however briefly, shows that Landis could indeed beat the world's best-at least w/ chemical enhancement.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Huh?! Being crowned Tour de France champion, however briefly, shows that Landis could indeed beat the world's best-at least w/ chemical enhancement.

Off topic, but nice name. One of the craziest Roman emperors.

Indeed, a chemically-enhanced Landis was good enough to take Paris-Nice, the ToC, and "win" the Tour.