Landis letter re drug use in cycling

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i am new to this forum, so please excuse my mistakes, if any. the issue of floyd's credibility aside, is anyone else curious about the exact opposite reactions of WADA and the UCI reps? in the cyclingnews article about wada and uci responses, the wada spokesman says riders coming forth with info about past events would be welcomed, and even helpful to current anti-doping programs. the uci (pat mcquaid) however says it will only damage the sport, and that they (convicted riders) should keep their mouths shut. interesting, eh?
 
Alpe d'Huez said:
How long until some people start saying he was “rightfully” the 2006 Tour winner, that’s another story.

I'll say it.

I mentioned this waaay back in the thread, but it is likely that FLandis can reveal that Pererio was doping when he was on Phonak in 2005. As it is Periero tested positive during 2006 and got a TUE after the race. Kloden was blood doping.
 
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TeamSkyFans said:
because prior to today he was lying. today he is finally telling the truth.

you think he's telling the truth when he says he didn't use testosterone at the 2006 Tour? That the 2006 test was wrong?
 
TeamSkyFans said:
lance post crash
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definately looks like something is broken.. get him to the hospital for xrays quick



So he crashed, got back going, and then had to go to hospital?

I call Bull... Sheet!
 
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BroDeal said:
I'll say it.

I mentioned this waaay back in the thread, but it is likely that FLandis can reveal that Pererio was doping when he was on Phonak in 2005. As it is Periero tested positive during 2006 and got a TUE after the race. Kloden was blood doping.

actually, you are friggin right here...long live Floyd...
 
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Again, Lance cannot sue. A civil case would be very dangerous. There is way too much evidence that he doped for him to bring a case to trial. Not to mention that his ex would have to testify, and I am pretty sure he does not want that to happen.

Lance just needs to go home and never come out of his hole again.

I am sure that during his interview on ESPN (in front of the bus) Armstrong said it wasn't worth the effort to sue. Which is basically his way of saying what you just said!
 
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Flinally!
I'm very impressed by Landis. It would have been so easy just to walk away and fade into memories but instead he decided to fight, odds heavily stacked against him, all that money and PR folks that will try to destroy his image, but still he decides to take the fight.

The UCI response was pretty much what one could expect. WADA's statement was interesting.

I doubt this will bring the whole dam of **** to burst open but at least it will create another crack.
 
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I finally went to bed at five this morning, and am just catching up. Hincapie's statement was true, but he didn't deny allegations, that was done by the team. I just saw Armstrong's statement in brief, but he just maligned his attacker, as per usual, said he didn't want to waste people's time, etc.

McQuaid just made it more obvious that the UCI should not oversee testing or the Biological Passport. It's a total conflict of interest if he thinks exposing dopers is bad for cycling. Hell, we were celebrating here last night like we'd just gotten news that the war had turned in our favor.

And this isn't just about Lance. I was rooting for Hincapie during the Tour last year. But if he doped, I'm damned glad it's coming out.

Some discussion in the LA thread got me to check his twitter a few weeks ago. He had a kids party at his house on a Friday night & complained that the USADA showed up looking for blood and urine. At the time, I wondered if it was at the request of the AFLD, who when they signed the agreement to work with law enforcement to fight doping rings, said that they'd ask agencies in other countries to get them samples.

It's time for the AFLD & OCLAESP to pick up the ball & run with it. Get some DNA samples to go with the illegal infusion kit syringes, bust Armstrong and other Radio Shack riders, and make this international so they can start questioning people under oath.
 
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bud708 said:
, is anyone else curious about the exact opposite reactions of WADA and the UCI reps?

Patty showed his real worth today! denial denial denial! i'm sure he knows what is really going on and is trying to keep it in-house
 
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perhaps they could do a tummy tuck while he is getting his xrays...and maybe some work done on that face...the olsen twins are still out there and waiting...retirement can be pretty wonderful Lance...
 
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frizzlefry said:
How do you respect someone who exhausted all his appeals, and then told the truth?

You respect him more than someone who never tells the truth. It's all relative.
 
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theswordsman said:
And this isn't just about Lance. I was rooting for Hincapie during the Tour last year. But if he doped, I'm damned glad it's coming out.

You mean to imply that GH is going to out the dope?
 
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Franklin said:
There isn't enough for criminal charges unless further evidence shows up. I could be wrong, but that's how it looks to me. Even the Verbruggen cover up isn't a case yet, though I'm sure it will be ground for investigations.

This will be enough ammo for every country to turn every cycling bus inside out, so I expect quite a few raids.

There sure as heck is enough evidence in the US for an investigation. Start pulling known Armstrong associates in for questioning. Lean on them, get some to incriminate themselves, and then offer leniency in return for their testimony. Someone will take it. Then justice can commence.
 
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Cash05458 said:
actually, you are friggin right here...long live Floyd...

Let's look at that top 10 and see who the "real" winner might be:

1 Óscar Pereiro (ESP) Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears 89h 40' 27"
Nope.

2 Andreas Klöden (GER) T-Mobile Team + 32"
Lol...No.

3 Carlos Sastre (ESP) Team CSC + 2' 16"
No chance.

4 Cadel Evans (AUS) Davitamon-Lotto + 4' 11"
Maybe, possibly.

5 Denis Menchov (RUS) Rabobank + 6' 09"
Doubtful

6 Cyril Dessel (FRA) AG2R Prévoyance + 7' 44"
? Hmmm...

7 Christophe Moreau (FRA) AG2R Prévoyance + 8' 40"
Not sure.

8 Haimar Zubeldia (ESP) Euskaltel-Euskadi + 11' 08"
Double no.

9 Michael Rogers (AUS) T-Mobile Team + 14' 10"
I like Rogers, but he was riding for T-Mobile so: No.

10 Fränk Schleck (LUX) Team CSC + 16' 49"
no.

It appears that Cadel might be winner (presuming he was clean)
 
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theswordsman said:
I finally went to bed at five this morning, and am just catching up. Hincapie's statement was true, but he didn't deny allegations, that was done by the team. I just saw Armstrong's statement in brief, but he just maligned his attacker, as per usual, said he didn't want to waste people's time, etc.

McQuaid just made it more obvious that the UCI should not oversee testing or the Biological Passport. It's a total conflict of interest if he thinks exposing dopers is bad for cycling. Hell, we were celebrating here last night like we'd just gotten news that the war had turned in our favor.

And this isn't just about Lance. I was rooting for Hincapie during the Tour last year. But if he doped, I'm damned glad it's coming out.

Some discussion in the LA thread got me to check his twitter a few weeks ago. He had a kids party at his house on a Friday night & complained that the USADA showed up looking for blood and urine. At the time, I wondered if it was at the request of the AFLD, who when they signed the agreement to work with law enforcement to fight doping rings, said that they'd ask agencies in other countries to get them samples.

It's time for the AFLD & OCLAESP to pick up the ball & run with it. Get some DNA samples to go with the illegal infusion kit syringes, bust Armstrong and other Radio Shack riders, and make this international so they can start questioning people under oath.

They need to get a lesser rider and do that...threaten him with jail time...some 40 grand a year guy who has already been used up... make him open his mouth...actually, I want to see Tyler come forward for some real redemption...but it aint gonna happen...too bad for Tyler...this was his chance for some real respect...
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
Landis was a liar and a cheat, and now he has admitted it. Not sure what's ironic. The fact that you don't know what that word means?

The fact that all these posters on here blasted him for being a liar and cheat, and now believe everyword he says. Irony.
 
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gjdavis60 said:
There sure as heck is enough evidence in the US for an investigation. Start pulling known Armstrong associates in for questioning. Lean on them, get some to incriminate themselves, and then offer leniency in return for their testimony. Someone will take it. Then justice can commence.

Evidence of...what, exactly, that would lead to a criminal investigation in the US?
 
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montel said:
So if what has been alleged by Landis can be proven, where does that leave american cycling?

We potentually lose the following riders:

Lance
Levi
George Hincapie
DZ

Plus the potential of stained reputations of C. Horner, T. Phinney, and many others. Essentially an entire generation of riders plus one or two of the "new" clean generation.

So what is the future then - for riders like Tejay van Garderen & Peter Stetina?

Greg Lemond was right - he needs to be the new president of the UCI or USA Cycling...

A lot of those guys listed are basically on their way out anyhow. It is shaping up to being an American scandal. Not sure how it got built up like that exactly.
 
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eleven said:
Evidence of...what, exactly, that would lead to a criminal investigation in the US?

Well, they got the claims of someone who just reversed his rigorous claims of the last several years. That's enough, no?