Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[barn yard]

The 2001 LA was the most dominant of all the victories IMO. He would just sprint away on the climbs. If the competition was off EPO and into a transition to other means, it would make sense they were down on horsepower while he raged with immunity. The difference between him and the rest that year was stupid.

correct me if i am wrong but wasnt this the tour when he bridged to a heavily juiced pantani and just went straight past him like he wasnt even moving (and pantani shakes his head)?

 

[ChrisE]

correct me if i am wrong but wasnt this the tour when he bridged to a heavily juiced pantani and just went straight past him like he wasnt even moving (and pantani shakes his head)?

No, Pantani never raced the tour after 2000. This is the year of the "look" on the Alpe. He won that stage, the Chamrouse TT the next day, sprinted away from JU the next stage in the Pyrynees and almost caught the winner, and sprinted away up Pla de det the next day when he waited for JU. Punishment. Then won the last time trial.

You're probably thinking Hautacam in 2000.

 

[barn yard]

No, Pantani never raced the tour after 2000. This is the year of the "look" on the Alpe. He won that stage, the Chamrouse TT the next day, sprinted away from JU the next stage in the Pyrynees and almost caught the winner, and sprinted away up Pla de det the next day when he waited for JU. Punishment. Then won the last time trial.

i wonder which year i am thinking of, either way it was so ridiculous and obvious what was going on there.

YES! hautacam 2000. hilarious stuff. when ricco had his big day it reminded me so much of this.

 

[Hillavoider]

The UCI's defense of Armstrong is so blunt that its obvious the UCI is in Armstrongs pocket.

The allegations are so massive that its likely everyones heads will explode and it will blow over with some mud sticking, and if Armstrong goes to the Tour the french will have alot of fun. I can't wait.

 

[Publicus]

One way to get to the bottom of this would be to retest the 2001 Tour de Suisse samples (if they exist) or pull the UCI files from that race. Lance won at least one stage and would have been tested. The results and the technician who performed the test should be known.

 

[Night Rider]

Every Pharmstrong sample being held in storage should now be retested.

 

[Hillavoider]

Pat McQuiad would have thrown any evidence out of the 2001 TDS last night. That guy is ****ting brix.

 

[Publicus]

Pat McQuiad would have thrown any evidence out of the 2001 TDS last night. That guy is ****ting brix.

If it is missing and the others still exist that would be evidence of a coverup. And frankly that's how these things always fall apart: the coverup.

 

[D Avoid]

No need to mention the photos now. In fact don’t mention the photos. These are for the court case or if and when Landis is about to hang. You can’t release the trump card to early on. You need about a month of Lance denials and then slowly drown him in his own lies. You never play every card you have upfront. This is just round 1. There is much more to come. Do you think Floyd released those emails about Lance and Bruyneel without having much to back it up with? Give it time.

Or he might do a Greg and end up a multi millionaire(10 I'd say) ex bankwupt, when I say Greg I mean takadamoney, he is entitled to it, where is That good ole Irish boy Geoghan hanging out?

 

[thehog]

You know, if he paid off the UCI for the EPO test in June 2001, then I am sure that payoff had a "warranty" period probably at least until August.

The 2001 LA was the most dominant of all the victories IMO. He would just sprint away on the climbs. If the competition was off EPO and into a transition to other means, it would make sense they were down on horsepower while he raged with immunity. The difference between him and the rest that year was stupid.

2004 for me was shocking in terms of Armstrong dominance and also his teams dominance in particular Landis. Floyd was riding on the front of the bunch over 3 mountain passes in a day and still sprinting for the stage.

Was that the year of the team bus transfusion? Let it be known as the gang bang transfusion of 2004.

Of course Landis made all of this up.

 

[ChrisE]

One way to get to the bottom of this would be to retest the 2001 Tour de Suisse samples (if they exist) or pull the UCI files from that race. Lance won at least one stage and would have been tested. The results and the technician who performed the test should be known.

And how would you know the results are correct? They probably say no AAF right? I doubt if they are sitting in a file somewhere in Switzerland with AAF on them for 9 years.

I think for sure he was on EPO on 2001 in the tour while the others weren't. No way Vurbrughen said "ok this payment scrubs this TdS AAF but get off EPO now". No way and if that did happen LA would have been trashed in the tour being "clean". This was before he was taking transfusions according to the email.

On DPF years ago we were talking about how strong JU was that year compared to 97. Everybody thought he was better in 2001. I have the 8 hour TdF dvds and it shows the whole stage and I timed it and posted the results.

JU climbed it 2 minutes slower in 2001 than 97 and I believe LA climbed it in 38:01 or something (my memory is shot). If JU was still on EPO in 2001 then WTF?

The answer is obvious now.

 

[ChrisE]

2004 for me was shocking in terms of Armstrong dominance and also his teams dominance in particular Landis. Floyd was riding on the front of the bunch over 3 mountain passes in a day and still sprinting for the stage.

Was that the year of the team bus transfusion? Let it be known as the gang bang transfusion of 2004.

Of course Landis made all of this up.

Not IMO was 04 more dominant than 01. He would finish is small groups (Kloden, Basso, JU, sometimes FL and Levi) in 04 and outsprint them. 2001 he was a different animal. There was no sprinting there; he just sprinted away. The playing field was more even in 2004 IMO even though the end results don't really show it.

 

[theswordsman]

2001 samples don't mean much, as they're outside the statute of limitations. P believe that the stories these days say that samples will be kept for eight years, so these are probably gone.

But I'd love some scenario where the WADA would subpoena other samples through the years.

 

[thehog]

Not IMO was 04 more dominant than 01. He would finish is small groups (Kloden, Basso, JU, sometimes FL and Levi) in 04 and outsprint them. 2001 he was a different animal. There was no sprinting there; he just sprinted away. The playing field was more even in 2004 IMO even though the end results don't really show it.

Well when you say playing field you mean about 10-15 riders. Remember the French complaining around this time of "cycling at two speeds".

Not everyone had access to the helicopter transfusions or a massive closet full of Armani suits and a refrigerator stacked full of fresh blood.

 

[Publicus]

And how would you know the results are correct? They probably say no AAF right? I doubt if they are sitting in a file somewhere in Switzerland with AAF on them for 9 years.

I think for sure he was on EPO on 2001 in the tour while the others weren't. No way Vurbrughen said "ok this payment scrubs this TdS AAF but get off EPO now". No way and if that did happen LA would have been trashed in the tour being "clean". This was before he was taking transfusions according to the email.

On DPF years ago we were talking about how strong JU was that year compared to 97. Everybody thought he was better in 2001. I have the 8 hour TdF dvds and it shows the whole stage and I timed it and posted the results.

JU climbed it 2 minutes slower in 2001 than 97 and I believe LA climbed it in 38:01 or something (my memory is shot). If JU was still on EPO in 2001 then WTF?

The answer is obvious now.

I have no idea if the file is accurate or if the sample is available for retesting after 9 years. Just threw it out there is a possible way to walk this back. Does anyone recall if Armstrong was still flying commercial in 2001?

 

[BYOP88]

I have no idea if the file is accurate or if the sample is available for retesting after 9 years. Just threw it out there is a possible way to walk this back. Does anyone recall if Armstrong was still flying commercial in 2001?

I'd assume the file would still be around somewhere be it at the lab where the test took place or the UCI, although this is just conjecture on my part.

 

[Oncearunner8]

Not IMO was 04 more dominant than 01. He would finish is small groups (Kloden, Basso, JU, sometimes FL and Levi) in 04 and outsprint them. 2001 he was a different animal. There was no sprinting there; he just sprinted away. The playing field was more even in 2004 IMO even though the end results don't really show it.

yeah yeah what ever. Chris where is buckwheat? I need to get some facts straight and he is the only arbiter of that ****.

BTW your an asshat. and a stump jumper.

Oh and while I am at it......Lance I hope your lurking because you need to get to the undisclosed location ASAP. your **** is on fire! LMAO

 

[ChrisE]

Well when you say playing field you mean about 10-15 riders. Remember the French complaining around this time of "cycling at two speeds".

Not everyone had access to the helicopter transfusions or a massive closet full of Armani suits and a refrigerator stacked full of fresh blood.

Yes, I mean he was not taking something others weren't which is probably the case in 2001 with his "warranty" period. The EPO test scared the others off of it probably. I concede what you mean in 2004 but at least they were all somewhat on the same program, though different levels. They were obviously all on the same thing IMO in all years except 2001, just LA was better.

I have always contended that LA was not better on this forum and others because he had better dope, ie Ferrari. I still believe that he was/is a tremendous talent and just because he had Ferrari doesn't make him beat JU and others by 6 minutes while losting to them by 25 without him. I believe mental transformations after his cancer had an effect on his discipline and drive. This FL bombshell doesn't change my opinion....he was the best of a doped field and I don't think people give him credit for that obviously.

Also after thinking about this I remember the commentators Phil/Paul saying how his team was so weak during the mountain stages in 2001. Chechu led him out up the Alpe but all others were non-existant except Heras on the Pla d det stage but he still finished behind with Beloki. Chechu blew like he threw out an anchor when he pulled off on the Alpe. You don't need EPO to sprint a km. The "exemption" probably wasn't a team deal.

 

[ChrisE]

I'd assume the file would still be around somewhere be it at the lab where the test took place or the UCI, although this is just conjecture on my part.

Yes, and for some reason you guys think it still says AAF after that little trip by JB and LA.

 

[ChrisE]

yeah yeah what ever. Chris where is buckwheat? I need to get some facts straight and he is the only arbiter of that ****.

BTW your an asshat. and a stump jumper.

Oh and while I am at it......Lance I hope your lurking because you need to get to the undisclosed location ASAP. your **** is on fire! LMAO

Buckwheat is my boy. I have forgiven him for his a$$hat space shuttle diatribe. I got his back so you fark off you backwards a$$ low IQ inbred non family tree forking Houston redneck.

 

[D Avoid]

Do we think that's the last we see of him racing this year, perhaps ever? I'm not sure I can see him riding the Tour anymore.

Maybe he actually knows it's all over and doesn't have any more white lies to

embellish his fairy tale anymore.

I heard this on the radio , in dept at 11 a. m. and thought straight away

thatdarling Lance will be disappearing some time today, witches castle or

Ogres den, I don't know, I didn't write the script, I did though, get some

performance enhancement out of his prodickamint in tonights challenge

race, his name was never mention, although his address was, one guy said,

"this is Hell".

 

[rata de sentina]

glad I was sitting down when I read about this, "I'm shocked, shocked I say." I actually don't care about doping, I want Armstrong to continue to compete so he can raise even more money for cancer research.

He doesn't. In fact I could mount a reasonable argument that he actually sucks money out of cancer research and into other areas of cancer care. Whether or not you think that is a good thing is a personal opinion but pelase don't be deluded about what the money is used for.

 

[Romania]

Bruyneel on CNN Larry King live right now.

 

[thehog]

Vaughters is holding another press conference in the morning.

The team name will be changing to Garmin-Transfusions.

 

[Publicus]

Yes, and for some reason you guys think it still says AAF after that little trip by JB and LA.

Sorry, what does the acronym AAF mean?