Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[blackcat]

Is that Star Trek??

Is is a 'blood red' issue? Will Floyds name be on it?

well done Dr Maserati, you can claim your special edition Trek Madone from John Burke.

 

[richwagmn]

I think perhaps it could help build on the movement. Credibility is the biggest problem that threatens the process. If he had come right out and admitted to his positive in the first place without all the additional LeMond/Hacking/etc. as further distractions, it would be a different story.

This. Sounds like he was mad he got busted for something he didn't take.

But, if you KNEW that LA and others were doping and didn't get busted, you'd probably fight it too. Doping was the deal you had/have to make to win.

 

[Digger]

Floyd's revengeful motivation in doing this now is in no way brave or heroic - he ****ted all over people who had strong evidence against him and now he's doing the same thing because he's out of money and friends. Don't like the guy - I knew he was lying when he went on Larry King with his denial after the TdeF - anyone who can read body language could tell that with his constant swallowing and fidgeting.

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Mods please...............

 

[scribe]

I'm very disappointed to see that the back of the peloton is also doping

It's the only way these guys can average +25mph across a few thousand miles.

 

[Fourier]

It's the only way these guys can average +25mph across a few thousand miles.

or they are on their bikes 8 hours a day (note the sarcasm)

 

[laziali]

Is that Star Trek??

Is is a 'blood red' issue? Will Floyds name be on it?

Well done Dr on scoring post #1000

This is even better than when the Festina bomb went off. Can't wait to see Bruyneel, Armstrong, Verbruggen and McQuaid go down for whatever bribery offences they have in Switzerland and the Netherlands.

Vino must be feeling slightly molified that he's not the only mega-rider who's going down for being on the program.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

well done Dr Maserati, you can claim your special edition Trek Madone from John Burke.

Cooool............do they still do Lemonds?

 

[scribe]

This. Sounds like he was mad he got busted for something he didn't take.

But, if you KNEW that LA and others were doping and didn't get busted, you'd probably fight it too. Doping was the deal you had/have to make to win.

I have to believe FL is guilty as dirt for only 1 reason: It is incredibly damaging for cycling to boot a tour champ when they are obviously willing to cover up other top cyclist's transgressions.

Floyd got busted under his own programme, so outing how others manage theirs isn't that impressive to me.

 

[simmspin]

I want the Trek Madone for the 1000th post!

Comes with limited edition refrigerated panniers

 

[Maxiton]

It may not be popular to say this, but I think Landis is severely lacking in critical thinking skills. If he had any at all, he'd have been able to figure out that this isn't going to work. If he had any at all, he wouldn't be in this position to begin with.

Everyone he names is going to sue the hell out of him; and, in addition to the personal reputations at stake, there are the corporate interests: the companies that sponsor cycling in general and the implicated riders in particular. They and their money and their publicity machines won't like this. At all.

The only way I can see this having any real impact is if the U.S. Congress holds hearings because of it, subpoenas those concerned, and then catches them out in perjury. Cycling isn't really considered an American sport - it isn't very much on the radar, in terms of national interest - so I doubt that's going to happen.

Landis is a drowning man clutching at everyone around him. He hopes to drown them all, as though doing so could somehow save him. I doubt it will.

Edit: On second thought, though, Landis might experience something worse than being sued by everyone: after the initial brouhaha, he might be merely ignored. I am screaming at the top of my lungs and no one hears me. Like that.

 

[WindLessBreeze]

samurai3

I expect him to return the funds I contributed to help pay his legal fees to be returned to any sports charity for InnerCityCleanKids, an species in danger of being overunned by BigMouthCheats

 

[goldcycle26]

I have to believe FL is guilty as dirt for only 1 reason: It is incredibly damaging for cycling to boot a tour champ when they are obviously willing to cover up other top cyclist's transgressions.

Floyd got busted under his own programme, so outing how others manage theirs isn't that impressive to me.

Are you saying that you are supporting dopers? What Floyd is doing, if actually do, is good for the sport. If their are people guilty of these transgressions i would want to know

 

[2beacoup]

Cooool............do they still do Lemonds?

And is it signed by Lance?

 

[WindLessBreeze]

I expect him to return the funds I contributed to help pay his legal fees to be returned to any sports charity for InnerCityCleanKids, an species in danger of being overunned by BigMouthCheats

. I have hidden and forbidden my two children to ride bikes as of now

 

[fruit bars with eyes]

I agree with that, The UCI are a disgrace and need investigating themselves on this i reckon.

me too- what the UCI really regret is that they have been accused of straight up corruption- covering up positives for cash - this needs police involvement- squeeze them all until their balls burst- oh and one might have expected some 'clean riders' to be speaking out in solidarity by now-"i finished 73rd in the KoM in the 2005 Tour of Flatovia and I hereby claim my rightful prize" -

 

[simmspin]

You've hidden your children?....dude...

 

[Cobblestones]

I just hope this is the one thing which finally turns the tide. Festina didn't do it, Puerto fizzled mostly (despite all the evidence), Humanplasma... nothing.

This thing has the potential to blow up so forcefully to bring about change.

Unfortunately, just like Festina, it's mostly about one team. Saxo, Astana etc. are going to gain from it. Virenque bites the dust while Ullrich rides on. Let us not kid ourselves about Schlecklet and Bertie.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It may not be popular to say this, but I think Landis is severely lacking in critical thinking skills. If he had any at all, he'd have been able to figure out that this isn't going to work. If he had any at all, he wouldn't be in this position to begin with.

Everyone he names is going to sue the hell out of him; and, in addition to the personal reputations at stake, there are the corporate interests: the companies that sponsor cycling in general and the implicated riders in particular. They and their money and their publicity machines won't like this. At all.

The only way I can see this having any real impact is if the U.S. Congress holds hearings because of it, subpoenas those concerned, and then catches them out in perjury. Cycling isn't really considered an American sport - it isn't very much on the radar, in terms of national interest - so I doubt that's going to happen.

Landis is a drowning man clutching at everyone around him. He hopes to drown them all, as though doing so could somehow save him. I doubt it will.

Read the posts here about the cosy relationship between USA Cycling and Lance - I am sure that public money is trickling in there somehow.

I would imagine the shredding machines at USA Cycling and maybe even the US Olympic Committee are quite busy.

When Floyd pulled the pin everyone was sitting at the table gorging at the cashcow.

 

[blackcat]

It may not be popular to say this, but I think Landis is severely lacking in critical thinking skills. If he had any at all, he'd have been able to figure out that this isn't going to work. If he had any at all, he wouldn't be in this position to begin with.

Everyone he names is going to sue the hell out of him; and, in addition to the personal reputations at stake, there are the corporate interests: the companies that sponsor cycling in general and the implicated riders in particular. They and their money and their publicity machines won't like this. At all.

The only way I can see this having any real impact is if the U.S. Congress holds hearings because of it, subpoenas those concerned, and then catches them out in perjury. Cycling isn't really considered an American sport - it isn't very much on the radar, in terms of national interest - so I doubt that's going to happen.

Landis is a drowning man clutching at everyone around him. He hopes to drown them all, as though doing so could somehow save him. I doubt it will.

and he is swimming in assets for a sheriff to seize <eyes roll>

 

[Roland Rat]

I just hope this is the one thing which finally turns the tide. Festina didn't do it, Puerto fizzled mostly (despite all the evidence), Humanplasma... nothing.

This thing has the potential to blow up so forcefully to bring about change.

Unfortunately, just like Festina, it's mostly about one team. Saxo, Astana etc. are going to gain from it. Virenque bites the dust while Ullrich rides on. Let us not kid ourselves about Schlecklet and Bertie.

Festina did. But then one person returned from a lay-off and crushed everyone else.

Karma... isn't it a b1tch.

 

[Kennf1]

me too- what the UCI really regret is that they have been accused of straight up corruption- covering up positives for cash - this needs police involvement- squeeze them all until their balls burst- oh and one might have expected some 'clean riders' to be speaking out in solidarity by now-"i finished 73rd in the KoM in the 2005 Tour of Flatovia and I hereby claim my rightful prize" -

And that, for me, is the most significant part of Landis's accusations. The accusations against individual riders probably won't amount to much, since there's no way to prove it (except by measuring the size of Hincapie's ears). But the corruption allegations should lead to a inquiry and house-cleaning.

 

[Kennf1]

I expect him to return the funds I contributed to help pay his legal fees to be returned to any sports charity for InnerCityCleanKids, an species in danger of being overunned by BigMouthCheats

You don't get a refund from the carnival when you find out the mermaid behind the glass is fake.

 

[scribe]

Are you saying that you are supporting dopers? What Floyd is doing, if actually do, is good for the sport. If their are people guilty of these transgressions i would want to know

How do you identify the dopers? That's all I am saying. I wish the sport was clean, if that's a declaration you are looking for.

 

[dresch]

I'm neither pro nor anti Lance, but Floyd Landis is an absolute ****ing ****.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

It may not be popular to say this, but I think Landis is severely lacking in critical thinking skills. If he had any at all, he'd have been able to figure out that this isn't going to work. If he had any at all, he wouldn't be in this position to begin with.

Everyone he names is going to sue the hell out of him; and, in addition to the personal reputations at stake, there are the corporate interests: the companies that sponsor cycling in general and the implicated riders in particular. They and their money and their publicity machines won't like this. At all.

The only way I can see this having any real impact is if the U.S. Congress holds hearings because of it, subpoenas those concerned, and then catches them out in perjury. Cycling isn't really considered an American sport - it isn't very much on the radar, in terms of national interest - so I doubt that's going to happen.

Landis is a drowning man clutching at everyone around him. He hopes to drown them all, as though doing so could somehow save him. I doubt it will.

Edit: On second thought, though, Landis might experience something worse than being sued by everyone: after the initial brouhaha, he might be merely ignored. I am screaming at the top of my lungs and no one hears me. Like that.

The Lance fanboys are coming out of the woodwork. I love it.