Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[Moose McKnuckles]

In the US, controled substances are defined and regulated by the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, whereas perscription pharmaceuticals are regulated by the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act of 1932 and it's progeny.

For the most part, PEDs are not controlled substances (some steriods may be). They are prescription pharmaceuticals. It's not really illegal to posses them, at most a misdemeanor and not worth the effort. However, it is illegal to distribute them without a license.

I think you are right as far as the US is concerned.

I read this though:
"EPO is a controlled substance anywhere in the world because it does have legitimate uses for medical purposes," ASDA spokesman Vicki Kapernick said. "But it has been proven to make quite a big difference to an athlete's performance.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-link-epo-theft-with-sydney-games-696187.html

 

[Cobblestones]

I have just come off the phone with a guy from Newstalk. Listen to this.
Kimmage was on at 8.30, McQuaid shortly after. But the producer told me straight out that McQuaid refused to go on at the same time as Kimmage. The presenters wanted it, but he would not.

So they should grow a pair and not give him airtime. Integrity in sport journalism is not in big supply.

 

[The_Z_man]

The thing I'm most surprised about is the way Floyd came "clean". Sorry for the pun. You'd think he would have been better off writing another book, this time spilling his guts. There would be more money to be made, and more space to name more names.

McQuaid coming out and blasting Landis for this is absurd. To out and out defend Armstrong like he's doing, shows how little he cares about the sport in general. He should at least go through the motions of saying "We take these allegations seriously" before declaring Armstrong clean.

I once ran into Floyd on Main Street in Manayunk during the Philadelphia International Championship. He was in town doing coverage for one of the local stations. I was near my usual bar, and he was standing outside. In my drunken state, the best I could say was "I think you were framed." Of course I didn't mean it, but hey, I was drunk.

 

[scribe]

well, that is what their books say anyhow...for now...they can drop strongarm and maybe get diddy...or ice cube or someone...problem is I think they still have a long contract to go...

RS doesn't really sell bike related materials, so your savvy customer isn't gonna break the bank. And blood doping..... "He did what? Took his blood out and put it back in later?"..... probably isn't gonna scare off their target client base.

 

[asnicol]

I have just come off the phone with a guy from Newstalk. Listen to this.
Kimmage was on at 8.30, McQuaid shortly after. But the producer told me straight out that McQuaid refused to go on at the same time as Kimmage. The presenters wanted it, but he would not.

I emailed TheTimes newspaper this morning when i read about this as Kimmage works for them, glad he is getting his two-penneth in

 

[Roland Rat]

Brailsford on the Barry accusations:

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...ford-speaks-on-allegations-against-barry.html

"From our point of view - let's face it - the team principal of Team Sky, my whole motivation for getting involved in this in the first place, is that we believe we can race clean as a team. The whole philosophy of the performance by the aggregation of marginal gains is something we've used to great effect at the Olympic Games and it's something we want to bring to this discipline of the sport. In that respect that's why we're in the sport."

"However, I think that [for] every single rider we sign on to this team - we've had a look at their biological passports, we did our due diligence. In Michael's case, the team he came from [HTC-Columbia], I think we have a lot of respect for in terms of their ethical code.

"However, there are allegations. I think from our point of view, we'll speak to Michael. But like anything else in life, you have to establish the fact. We have procedures and the procedures will be based on fact - not allegations. If allegations can be substantiated... there's procedures to handle everything from there."

Brailsford insisted he had "nothing to hide" and was available to answer questions from journalists at any time.

"We are an open transparent team and we're here to race clean," he said. "We believe you can perform clean at the elite end of this sport. Now I could be horribly mistaken, but from the evidence that I have, it can be done and that's what we're here to do. That's one of my great motivations for being here. It's not just about the winning. It's about coming forward and doing it properly on the basis of science and technology."

When Cycling Weekly asked what would happen if a rider on the team had been involved in doping in the past, he replied:

"You handle it by using the facts and sticking to a process. The first part of that process is establishing the facts.

"When we have the solid concrete facts, then you know where to go and what to do and we'll act accordingly. We're in the sports to race clean and that's what we'll do."

"If Michael Barry holds his hands up - or anyone else does for that matter - and says ‘actually you know what guys, I doped', that then goes automatically up to the next level which is WADA [World Anti doping Authority].

"I imagine that will then go forward, the procedure kicks in and we will take appropriate action. It's simple. Establish the facts. Then process."

Had Brailsford yet spoken to Barry about the allegations?

"He's been racing, so no, I haven't," he replied. "I'm sure he will talk at the hotel tonight and we'll establish the facts."

 

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This story owns AOL's splash page story....

 

[Boeing]

Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

hope that helps!

what they are saying googleboy is that Irony and coincidence are not the same thing.

Irony requires significance

you can't just say something is ironic. you must tell us why you think so

 

[Cobblestones]

So within one day, this thread has gotten half the views of the "official LA" thread on the other side of the forum.

 

[scribe]

The thing I'm most surprised about is the way Floyd came "clean". Sorry for the pun. You'd think he would have been better off writing another book, this time spilling his guts. There would be more money to be made, and more space to name more names.

McQuaid coming out and blasting Landis for this is absurd. To out and out defend Armstrong like he's doing, shows how little he cares about the sport in general. He should at least go through the motions of saying "We take these allegations seriously" before declaring Armstrong clean.

I once ran into Floyd on Main Street in Manayunk during the Philadelphia International Championship. He was in town doing coverage for one of the local stations. I was near my usual bar, and he was standing outside. In my drunken state, the best I could say was "I think you were framed." Of course I didn't mean it, but hey, I was drunk.

You seriously think he isn't gonna try this still???

 

[Anonymous]

Gullible of what? All cyclists dope, but do you see me blasting a cheat and then playing his fiddle cause it fits the agenda? No!

I don't know about "playing his fiddle" but I am pretty sure you have given a rusty trombone or two.

 

[The_Z_man]

You seriously think he isn't gonna try this still???

Where did I say that? What I said was I'm surprised he didn't do that first. Of course there's going to be a book deal, and he's going to cry on Oprah's couch, and all that BS.

 

[RTMcFadden]

I think you are right as far as the US is concerned.

I read this though:
"EPO is a controlled substance anywhere in the world because it does have legitimate uses for medical purposes," ASDA spokesman Vicki Kapernick said. "But it has been proven to make quite a big difference to an athlete's performance.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-link-epo-theft-with-sydney-games-696187.html

This concept is failry universal. The only thing that differs between most countries is what is included on what list.

I think the author simply didn't understand that there is a specific connotation for the word "controlled". I think the author thought that since it required a perscription that it was therefore controlled. Which in a sense is correct, in that you can't just go into a store and buy it. It's controlled because you need a perscription and an licensed pharmacists in order to complete the transaction. But, simply put, controlled = narcotics.

 

[Anonymous]

Anyone gone by a RS store today to see if they still have the LiveStrong and Lance stickers on the doors and in the windows???

Funny you should ask. Just went to an outdoor store next to one. His big ugly mug was right in the front window.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Has anyone tried tracking down Tyler?

I for one would want to hear what he has to say, and I think everyone else in the cycling world would as well.

I also would probably forgive him in an moment if he completely told the truth.

 

[Anonymous]

no.

i do hope that floyd's personal catharsis can be applied by the right people in the right way to unravel the gordian knot. history does not point that direction.

if floyd does not get some corroboration fast, with either another brave insider's testimony or some physical evidence, nothing will probably come from the ****storm. except maybe lance skipping the tour (which i didn't think he was gonna show up to anyway) and phil trying to cover his saddle sniffing tracks.

i just hope floyd comes out ok. and i hope others are right that lance will back down and let it all disappear.

Fair enough.

 

[theswordsman]

That seems a bit much. I hope he's gone from the sport for good, and those who have been hurt by his lies are compensated somewhat.

I vote French prison. It just needs a DNA match on an illegal syringe.

 

[euanli]

Say what you say about Brailsford, that was a pretty classy response. Especially compared to the way McQuaid has been dicking about.

 

[offbyone]

Ok - you appear to be against doping in the highlighted above.

The system is whats corrupt - from top down, if you don't change it the only thing that chages are the faces of the poor pawns brought in to replace the unlucky who are caught.

Also -most of the names provided are still active in the sport.

Again, so ****ing what. Vino is still active in the sport, so is basso, millar and lots of other former dopers. It was so ingrained in the culture back then that you would have a lot harder time finding riders that didn't dope rather than riders that did. So then should we just say everyone older than 25 has to quit the sport? Personally, I care if they are doping now, not 5 or 10 or 15 years ago.

Pursuing this is just going to hurt the sport for no real result. If you are honest with yourself you will admit that there is high probability that every popular older pro rider has doped at some point. If lance can be the most tested rider and pass through all his tests without being convicted of doping, then what makes you so sure someone like Sparticus or boonen or evans or contador or etc has always been clean? The answer is that you can't be sure and more than likely most of them have doped.

Do you want to change the system from 2004 or 1999 or 2010? Personally, changing the 2004 system at the expense of the future of cycling for years doesn't appeal to me.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I vote French prison. It just needs a DNA match on an illegal syringe.

Will illegal IV drip bags do?

 

[gjdavis60]

In the US, controled substances are defined and regulated by the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, whereas perscription pharmaceuticals are regulated by the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act of 1932 and it's progeny.

For the most part, PEDs are not controlled substances (some steriods may be). They are prescription pharmaceuticals. It's not really illegal to posses them, at most a misdemeanor and not worth the effort. However, it is illegal to distribute them without a license.

True. However, it is illegal to lie to a federal investigator or in court under oath about one's use or involvement in the distribution of PEDs, whether they are on the controlled substance list or simply prescription pharmaceuticals. Marion Jones did not go to jail for having or using PEDs.

Also, what we have here is an entire industry complicit in the distribution and use of these drugs, as well as covering up all allegations and evidence of their use. It's organized crime.

I think what the pro cycling community wants and needs more than anything is the truth, and imo, nothing short of criminal prosecutions and jail sentences will get it.

 

[Anonymous]

In the US, controled substances are defined and regulated by the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, whereas perscription pharmaceuticals are regulated by the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act of 1932 and it's progeny.

For the most part, PEDs are not controlled substances (some steriods may be). They are prescription pharmaceuticals. It's not really illegal to posses them, at most a misdemeanor and not worth the effort. However, it is illegal to distribute them without a license.

But the allegations are that the offenses occurred in France and Spain, not the US.

 

[goldcycle26]

Has anyone tried tracking down Tyler?

I for one would want to hear what he has to say, and I think everyone else in the cycling world would as well.

I also would probably forgive him in an moment if he completely told the truth.

I believe, last I read, that he is somewhere in Massachusetts, probably in the Boston suburbs/area

 

[theswordsman]

Ok - you appear to be against doping in the highlighted above.

The system is whats corrupt - from top down, if you don't change it the only thing that chages are the faces of the poor pawns brought in to replace the unlucky who are caught.

Also -most of the names provided are still active in the sport.

Exactly. And there are stored samples out there. Lots and lots of stored samples that might contain things that couldn't be tested for at the time. Let the USADA or WADA examine Armstrong's Biological Passport data instead of the UCI. Did he not get a 30 day letter for suspicious values, or did he come up with an explanation for them?

 

[eleven]

I believe, last I read, that he is somewhere in Massachusetts, probably in the Boston suburbs/area

He has his own sports training center in Boulder, Tyler Hamilton Training LLC. if what Floyd says is true, I don't think Tyler has any interest in corroborating.