Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[rata de sentina]

But it's the US, where we pretty much accept doping. In the end you might see a person or two face a charge for providing the drugs, but that's it. People went to jain in the Balco case here... but none of them were atheletes.

The Hog incarcerated? If LA supplied and induced/coerced other athletes to take drugs then that puts him in the same position legally? He may well get away with his own doping but if others come forward and implicate him in their own doping then that is up another notch.

 

[Oncearunner8]

Buckwheat is my boy. I have forgiven him for his a$$hat space shuttle diatribe. I got his back so you fark off you backwards a$$ low IQ inbred non family tree forking Houston redneck.

well yeah I just got kicked from my FEMA trailer and need a place to crash. I was trying to hook up with buck for the evening.

BTW I think the LA is in Colorado tonight. Just thinking but I wonder where RH is ... does he have some number he would like to crunch?

 

[ChrisE]

Sorry, what does the acronym AAF mean?

Adverse Analytical Finding, ie a positive dope test (I think/hope) lol.

 

[ChrisE]

well yeah I just got kicked from my FEMA trailer and need a place to crash. I was trying to hook up with buck for the evening.

BTW I think the LA is in Colorado tonight. Just thinking but I wonder where RH is ... does he have some number he would like to crunch?

Python....err I mean RH um Python should be along any minute now.

 

[IntheMidwest]

I personally know two of these people, one is already there

and the other is going. I'm horrified that two such talented

and decent young men are being controlled by these

monsters. There will come a point when things are not

going so well and the question will be asked, very subtly, by

the rider, not the DS, as to what can be done to improve the

performance, this performance was at one point the very

reason he made the team, it now being prefaced with the

word lacking, within no time from that time, these kids will be

the junkies of the peloton and I will be left to consider what I

now think of these former heroes. They have alreadyurpassed

most ofwhat our top domestic riders will achieve in the career,

but it wont dragthem to the dizzy heights that attract that

sought after hero worship, whichlooks and feels great to

everybody, except of course, to the receiver of the worship,

they know to much to make it a pleasent experience. It is just

horrible. I did loads of drugs, mostly easy stuff(if there is

such a thing), I never knowingly introduced any kids to drugs

in my life. Our so calledheroes do it all the time. I'm happy

to be rug free, I still have my magic carpet to fly around on. I

will e-mail the father tomorrow and ask him to talk the boy

out of it. Then I will jokingly send a message on off

yourfacebook, he might delete me but I wont hold it against

his almost pathological need to succeed. Their hopes and the

straws they grasp at arethe very reason drugs in sport do so

well/badly, you choose the word thatfits for you. I came

fourth tonight, no drugs, just loads of coffee, and I

deliberately didn't try to win the sprint as I'd not put in the

work for it. I was only trying to finish, I had that in spades,

first one I managed to finish this year.

Good on you bro.

 

[Publicus]

Adverse Analytical Finding, ie a positive dope test.

Thanks. You are probably right but there maybe evidence of tampering/revision of the data. Again, total shot in the dark that will never happen if the UCI is heading up the investigation.

 

[patricknd]

Python....err I mean RH um Python should be along any minute now.

python is rh?

 

[ChrisE]

Bruyneel on CNN Larry King live right now.

I caught the second segment. Listening to him and watching LA today always screws with my head because I am not a very good liar. These guys do it with such a clear conscience and so calmly and with a chuckle hear and there I inherently want to believe them until I shake myself. How people can lie so well is beyond me.

 

[Oncearunner8]

The Hog incarcerated? If LA supplied and induced/coerced other athletes to take drugs then that puts him in the same position legally? He may well get away with his own doping but if others come forward and implicate him in their own doping then that is up another notch.

There has to be some logical legal steps made and then the house can start to fall.

 

[ChrisE]

python is rh?

Who's on first?

 

[Hillavoider]

Vaughters is holding another press conference in the morning.

The team name will be changing to Garmin-Transfusions.

epic lol


i don't think much will happen legally but i think the most important part of this is that the mud will stick, big time, they are going to be scrubbing this mud for years, Paul Sherwin and Phil Ligget are gunna have to go into over drive for pharmstrong and looney Floyd Landis for years and years.

 

[Oncearunner8]

I caught the second segment. Listening to him and watching LA today always screws with my head because I am not a very good liar. These guys do it with such a clear conscience and so calmly and with a chuckle hear and there I inherently want to believe them until I shake myself. How people can lie so well is beyond me.

He is good at that. Also he could not have picked a softer interview than the old **** in suspenders.............smoke it up Larry you asshat.

 

[D Avoid]

You got to think that positive test on whats he's name Fyu Byui from Radioshack was a damage control method to prove that Lance team-mates do test positive? ie they knew the Landis story was coming so they suckerpunched the guy in.....

I now put nothing past him, even all the way back to the possible fabrication of ilness, the interesting thing is that no one ever covers the possibility of him actually dying of Cancer.

A few years ago I wrote:

My brother died of cancer
I thought he was a chancer.

My mother laughed her head off when I read it to her.

I did, for a while, as a fifteen year old, think that he was getting to much attention, I had at that early point, no idea that he would end up a 4 and a 1/2 stone wreck whose only saving grace was that he was the bravest dude I ever met, he went out of his way to try and protect me from the awful truth. What we witness now in the name of cancer enlightenment, is a really bad joke , at the expence of all of us who have had to go the road of no return or watch others, who we love, go there.

There lies the crux, this thoroughly nasty piece of work , dares to pretend that he speaks for Conor and the many millions more who are in, or will be in that terrible predicament. I rest my case, while not really being able to say exactly what that is, I'll finish with one of my poems. He died paralysed, from the waist down, wheel chair bound:

I loved my brother
I loved him so
I loved him so much
I did not know
When he was gone
Oh what a blow
To live, to die
To never know
To lose his to
To lose his fro
For old to never ever grow

And I have to listen to that artse hole every time his ego bleeds.

 

[Oncearunner8]

epic lol


i don't think much will happen legally but i think the most important part of this is that the mud will stick, big time, they are going to be scrubbing this mud for years, Paul Sherwin and Phil Ligget are gunna have to go into over drive for pharmstrong and looney Floyd Landis for years and years.

Think about the meetings they are having over at the control rooms before media coverage! We have to get this straight. This thing is become large like a big SHAKE WEIGHT!

 

[BroDeal]

CVV comments:

``It's unfortunate the past keeps getting dug up over and over again,'' Vande Velde said. ``It wipes away all the hard work we have been doing over the last years trying to clean up the sport and being transparent, when things that happened eight years ago keep being brought up.''

I asked Vande Velde how much credence anyone could give to Landis' allegations and confession to having been a big-time doper, given that he had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in denying he had used performance-enhancing drugs after the positive test at the 2006 Tour.

``You're not going to believe too much of it, that's for sure,'' Vande Velde said. ``It has been a long stream of lies. I'd like to say I was surprised, but nothing about Floyd surprises me any more.''

I have been suspicious of Vande Velde's transformation into a GC contender, and these statement knocked my suspicion level up a few notches.

He makes a point that the sport has been considerably cleaned up, and he does not like past events being brought up. The implication is that the sport was very dirty in the past, which should lend credence to FLandis' allegations. Of course, no one ever asks obvious followup questions.

He does not deny FLandis' statements. Instead he follows the current Bruyneel attack plan, which is to call Landis a liar while questioning his mental stability. That he would follow the Bruyneel talking points tells me that he and his team's claims of clean cycling are nothing more than a charade used to garner publicity and sponsorship. These guys are toeing the omerta line the same way everyone else is. They are no different than anyone else.

 

[rata de sentina]

If Floyd had gone on Larry King and said "I once saw Lance dope in a bus" then yiu would be right.

However Floyds accusations against the UCI and to a lesser extent the USA Cycling will mean that they cannot be the judges - this will require independent investigation and since Pro Cyclings house is made of sand there won't be left of those who collaborated in its demise.

This is actually a very good point from the Dr. People are sayin FL is dumb but by accusing the UCI and US cycling and sending his accusations to them first (which they have possibly sat on and in the case of UCI dismissed out of hand) he has taken them out of the investigative equation.

 

[santacruz]

Or perhaps VDV and DZ are clean NOW and don't want to lose their jobs to crap that went down back in the day when everyone and their grandmas were doped?

 

[Hillavoider]

Or perhaps VDV and DZ are clean NOW and don't want to lose their jobs to crap that went down back in the day when everyone and their grandmas were doped?

do you actually believe that any pro cyclist is clean?

 

[Epicycle]

The 2001 Tour de Suisse samples have surely been thrown out. But whatever lab tested them probably still has copies of the test results on file somewhere. The problem is that the lab doesn't know the name of the rider, they only have the sample numbers. So you'd have to get the key that matches names to sample number from the UCI which probably is not a realistic possibility.

 

[Ferminal]

Or perhaps VDV and DZ are clean NOW and don't want to lose their jobs to crap that went down back in the day when everyone and their grandmas were doped?

Were they clean last year, when they worked with Allen Lim?

 

[IntheMidwest]

Ok everyone, I know this is off topic as I cannot keep up with how fast this thread is moving, but I want to say this and ignore it if you will but I think it's what we've all wanted for a very long time:

Floyd, thank you. You've done what so many people, racers, forumers, doubters have wanted to happen for such a long time. Vroomen said today short-term pain is long term gain and he couldn't have be so right. It's so obvious of the UCI's corruption. It's so obvious of the whole LA/JB camp. Ferrari is good because of one thing and the dude does not waste his time unless his clients can pay. For all of you that were there, now is the time to make things right. Do it. For this sport. People will believe you because you were there. Send cycling in the direction that we all want it to go. Please. Be apart of this.

ITMW

 

[theswordsman]

Neil Browne of VeloNews, who posted his interview with Landis from today, is also on Larry King Live. I read on twitter that the show will be repeated at 9:00 P.M. PST.

In case you missed the blog interview, here's some key points from Landis today.

According to Landis, the original purpose of the leaked e-mail was to admit to doping and to demonstrate to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) how drug doping was accomplished without detection. Landis claims he included others because he was trying to negotiate amnesty for himself and the riders named before supplying the dopers' regimen to USADA.

Talking about the leaked e-mail, Landis said, "I would have preferred that it had stayed private and the result of me coming clean (with this information) would be for the purpose of better doping controls so future generations of riders would not have to make the same decisions I had to make."

Landis went on to say that Armstrong had heard about previous e-mail exchanges between Landis and USA Cycling officials regarding his claims of doping. In an attempt to silence Landis after the Tour of Gila, Landis claims Armstrong called Dr. Kay, Landis' good friend and title sponsor of his current team, and made veiled threats about revoking Dr. Kay's doctor's license for misdiagnosing Landis' mental health.Landis' response was to say he should take aim at Landis himself and not his friends.

Landis replied to Armstrong via e-mail requesting that he not involve his friends but instead attempt to resolve the matter in court

http://www.versus.com/blogs/2010-cycling-events/cycling-landis-advance/

 

[Race Radio]

The 2001 Tour de Suisse samples have surely been thrown out. But whatever lab tested them probably still has copies of the test results on file somewhere. The problem is that the lab doesn't know the name of the rider, they only have the sample numbers. So you'd have to get the key that matches names to sample number from the UCI which probably is not a realistic possibility.

The lab that tested them was the UCI lab in Switzerland

 

[Oncearunner8]

Neil Browne of VeloNews, who posted his interview with Landis from today, is also on Larry King Live. I read on twitter that the show will be repeated at 9:00 P.M. PST.

In case you missed the blog interview, here's some key points from Landis today.



http://www.versus.com/blogs/2010-cycling-events/cycling-landis-advance/

This fits what I thought earlier that LA knew about this and so did Z man.

They had time to figure out the game plan for the anti Landis operation.

It does not get any lower than this. They play dirty and strong.

 

[theswordsman]

Here's a quality CNN feed if you want to check for a rerun in a couple of hours. The live show is just ending now with a BP exec. I didn't know about the show or link early enough to watch.

http://atdhe.net/tv/watch_cnn.html