Landis letter re drug use in cycling

[Straßenrennen]

were u find those then ^^?

 

[Roland Rat]

Congratulations to Roland Rat. By making the 2000th post, you win a virtual T-Shirt. Wear it, burn it, wipe with it, whichever you prefer. But do so proudly:

Woo-hoo! Thanks! I will wear it proudly to my weekly EPO-anonymous meeting tonight! We've a special guest speaker, former TDF winner but who had his title stripped. No idea who it could be.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

How the heck did I get a double post?

 

[turtlesoup]

3 hours later and a box of cheese its i've read every post, If i didnt know any better id swear i was an addict. I hate that nasty things like this exist in this sport, ive watched every tour since 98 and relished them. Id like to keep lying to myself thinking all these guys are innocent but the evidence is too much. You guys are banking on the feds investigation like its going to be effective or timely for that mater......

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

i wanted that jpg

No worries, there will be another prize when we hit 3000 posts tomorrow.

 

[rata de sentina]

Not sure if anyone has posted this link (although I have read most of the thread). Thought it was quite interesting.

"Apparently, he's never heard of tough love. McQuaid's statement raised more concerns about his fitness to lead than it did about Landis' credibility. He should be a vigilant top officer, yet he sounds like a gang leader telling residents of a troubled neighborhood: "Don't snitch.""

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/05/20/SPQ81DI61P.DTL

 

[Jamsque]

Snitches get stitches.

 

[craig1985]

No worries, there will be another prize when we hit 3000 posts tomorrow.

In that case Alpe, may I suggest:

or even better:

 

[Roland Rat]

Not sure if anyone has posted this link (although I have read most of the thread). Thought it was quite interesting.

"Apparently, he's never heard of tough love. McQuaid's statement raised more concerns about his fitness to lead than it did about Landis' credibility. He should be a vigilant top officer, yet he sounds like a gang leader telling residents of a troubled neighborhood: "Don't snitch.""

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/05/20/SPQ81DI61P.DTL

Another article against Lance and the UCI. I'm starting to believe the media might actually be ready to take this fight on.

 

[CycloErgoSum]

Not sure if anyone has posted this link (although I have read most of the thread). Thought it was quite interesting.

"Apparently, he's never heard of tough love. McQuaid's statement raised more concerns about his fitness to lead than it did about Landis' credibility. He should be a vigilant top officer, yet he sounds like a gang leader telling residents of a troubled neighborhood: "Don't snitch.""

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/05/20/SPQ81DI61P.DTL

I've gotta agree. His comments seemed odd, frustrated, scared even. Your quote is bang on my impression. His fitness to lead is in serious doubt.

 

[fruit bars with eyes]

I've gotta agree. His comments seemed odd, frustrated, scared even. Your quote is bang on my impression. His fitness to lead is in serious doubt.

i agree totally too- i said earlier in the thread that it will be a positive shift if we begin to focus on the top of the system and work down to the race organizers, team owners then managers - anything that focuses on individual rider positives (and still attempts to sort out who's clean and who's not and sanction some people and not others) will continue to miss the point of a thoroughly corrupt system, even if these riders are very well known...

 

[R.0.t.O]

Really need to hold back the expectations I'm afraid. A few years ago there were actual positive test results splashed on the front of cycling's most-trusted newspaper and that didn't really damage Armstrong. Last year there were transfusion kits found and drugs tests delayed, and that didn't really damage Armstrong. So it's fantasising just a bit to imagine that claims by a demonstrable serial lier are going to bring him down - too many people have too much invested I'm afraid.

 

[kiwirider]

Here's Armstrongs average speeds:

2005 - 41.654 km/h
2004 - 41.016 km/h
2003 - 40.030 km/h
2002 - 39.982 km/h
2001 - 40.016 km/h
2000 - 39.556 km/h
1999 - 40.277 km/h

Typo in my original post .... meant to say 43.78km/h for 2005 ... (red wine and multi-tasking don't mix ...) ...

Apparently Rendell's stage distances and times are taken from a combination of road books, actual distances (presumably based on info from riders??) and official stage times ...
Checked the official centennial book and they give different average speeds again (41km/h for 2003 ...) - so go figure! (Jeez, any other time than this, the fact that there is no certainty as to stage lengths in "the biggest race in cycling" would be the topic of a thread in itself!!)
Point is though that no matter which source, one thing comes through consistently - Lemond doesn't have the fastest average as was asserted by the other poster (with their accompanying insinuations) ....

 

[Fourier]

Thirty more posts to 2000! Who will be the lucky winner?

I too am sure the wolves will go after Floyd, which is why I suggest he shut the phone off and find somewhere quiet to go. I recommend here:

That was not a joke. Very serious. I'm hoping he does not have a press conference, or if he does, it's very brief, with no questions. He has said all he needs to say. He needs to get away from this and let the inertia take it's own path, especially if it is being federally investigated now. He needs to get away. Home is where one is always welcome.

Fascinating video. Didn't think Lance was whining at all. He looked surprisingly down, negative, human.

I think it's time for Floyd to go mainstream justa as he did by going on Larry King. If this story is kept within the cycling media and the mainstream media only exploit the "Landis admitts to doping" angle, then the Armstrong story will be casted off as Floyd being a cooky, disgruntled and washed out cyclist (which he is) who is lying (which he is not).

 

[CycloErgoSum]

i agree totally too- i said earlier in the thread that it will be a positive shift if we begin to focus on the top of the system and work down to the race organizers, team owners then managers - anything that focuses on individual rider positives (and still attempts to sort out who's clean and who's not and sanction some people and not others) will continue to miss the point of a thoroughly corrupt system, even if these riders are very well known...

Yeah, it's a top-down problem

 

[CycloErgoSum]

Really need to hold back the expectations I'm afraid. A few years ago there were actual positive test results splashed on the front of cycling's most-trusted newspaper and that didn't really damage Armstrong. Last year there were transfusion kits found and drugs tests delayed, and that didn't really damage Armstrong. So it's fantasising just a bit to imagine that claims by a demonstrable serial lier are going to bring him down - too many people have too much invested I'm afraid.

True, the unreliability of the witness is a massive prob here. I'm always amazed at the amount of mud slung at LA and how none of it sticks. That's what bugs cycling fans - that the truth isn't known and seems continually obfuscated. But this one, so far, seems different. News outlets and agencies not normally concerned are interested. When a problem moves into the open and away from its core interest group, it tends to break apart and reveal things previously hidden.

Someone's going to be villified and the other vindicated. Hopefully then we can all shut up and go home.

 

[Pantani_lives]

The pro-Armstrong arguments are beginning to sound repetitive:
1 It's so long ago. Let's not talk about it.
2 His opponents did the same, so he still deserved to win.
3 Landis has mental problems and he's frustrated. Frank and Betsy Andreu are frustrated. Lemond is frustrated.
4 Talking about this is bad for the reputation of cycling.
5 He has never been (officially) positive.

 

[trompe le monde]

Really need to hold back the expectations I'm afraid. A few years ago there were actual positive test results splashed on the front of cycling's most-trusted newspaper and that didn't really damage Armstrong. Last year there were transfusion kits found and drugs tests delayed, and that didn't really damage Armstrong. So it's fantasising just a bit to imagine that claims by a demonstrable serial lier are going to bring him down - too many people have too much invested I'm afraid.

I agree somewhat about tempering expectations, though it is still early to be cynical, at least for me. The sh!t hit the fan only a day or so ago so the story has yet to play out in its entirety. What Floyd needs is someone, anyone, to corroborate what he has said in order for the story to pick up more steam. If it is a federal agency through investigation, a former team-mate, hell even the bus driver who faked the engine trouble to confirm Floyd's side of the story, then the house of cards will begin to tumble. I think Floyd's accusations and the depth of their detail in terms of practice and people involved is too rich for journalists to ignore.

 

[Cobblestones]

Oh boy, Just woke up, getting ready for work. More than 200 pages and 175k viewings in maybe 30 hours since the news broke.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

useless post

 

[Pantani_lives]

I've gotta agree. His comments seemed odd, frustrated, scared even. Your quote is bang on my impression. His fitness to lead is in serious doubt.

Hein Verbruggen and Pat McQ always seem to choose LA's side. I think all LA's blood and urine samples should be retested by an independent agency, not by the UCI.

 

[Jamsque]

It doesn't look like any new evidence is going to come to light, or that anyone is going to voluntarily step forward and back up Landis. I think the best we can hope for now is congressional hearings, because I am sure Andreu, Vaughters et al will be only too happy to spill the beans if they are placed under oath.

 

[bicing]

Interviewer from the press conference: "Are you prepared to say you're against performance enhancing drugs?"
Lance: "Of course we're prepared to say it..."

... Of course you didn't actually say it...

 

[Tangled Tango]

Really need to hold back the expectations I'm afraid. A few years ago there were actual positive test results splashed on the front of cycling's most-trusted newspaper and that didn't really damage Armstrong. Last year there were transfusion kits found and drugs tests delayed, and that didn't really damage Armstrong. So it's fantasising just a bit to imagine that claims by a demonstrable serial lier are going to bring him down - too many people have too much invested I'm afraid.

I agree. I think the only way this will gain momentum and actually begin some kind of change of thought regarding Armstrong and the whole US Postal/Discovery doping programs will be if some of those teammates come forward and speak up. Otherwise Armstrong and co. will paint Landis as just another "disgruntled employee/racer/doper" as they did before Thursday´s stage.

At the least there is a chance some focus will point to McQuaid and the UCI, considering his absurd statements. As usual, they go after the messenger and avoid the message.

 

[Ferminal]

I agree somewhat about tempering expectations, though it is still early to be cynical, at least for me. The sh!t hit the fan only a day or so ago so the story has yet to play out in its entirety. What Floyd needs is someone, anyone, to corroborate what he has said in order for the story to pick up more steam. If it is a federal agency through investigation, a former team-mate, hell even the bus driver who faked the engine trouble to confirm Floyd's side of the story, then the house of cards will begin to tumble. I think Floyd's accusations and the depth of their detail in terms of practice and people involved is too rich for journalists to ignore.

Anything in the morning press over in the states?

I'll be surprised if there's not one journalist who comes out and draws the line in the sand and uses words such as "doper" and "cheat" in reference to Lance Armstrong without the use of the words "alleged" and "accused".

There are plenty of hacks in Australia who like to consider themselves "journalists" who would be all a story like this - although in most cases it would be focusing only on the cheat that is Landis whilst defending the hero.

There was a famous Kerry Packer quote about telling his editors to just print a story, and leave the legal consequences to the lawyers.