Le Tour 2018 stage 11: Albertville > La Rosière 108,5 km

[The Hegelian]

Also worth stating what Thomas' track competitors have achieved at WT level.

Australia was the closest rival to GB in individual and teams pursuit: Bobridge, Durbridge, Hepburn, Meyer.....All quality domestiques and Durbridge has become a very good cobbled classics rider. Then there is Dennis who is embarking on a clearly doomed attempt to transition into a climber/GC rider.

Of them, only Dennis might see Quintana in the Alpes, for a little bit at least. But none of them - no matter how good their form ever got, would ever countenance dropping him.

 

[AQETUYIOI]

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Actually there is a chance that both of them crack. Not big but a significant amount of time to make them lose the race.

Thinking with a cold head, we knew that the danger zone for either Froome or Dumo was the third week. Not the first two. So there is still that risk. And Thomas, regardless of what people have said in this forum, is yet to prove his consistency during 3 weeks.

It might be that neither will crack but the possibility is there. And is not as low as people think.

If this happens then third week becomes an attrition race.

If they race each other, that might make them both crack.

 

[Leinster]

Of them, only Dennis might see Quintana in the Alpes, for a little bit at least. But none of them - no matter how good their form ever got, would ever countenance dropping him.

Let’s be clear here, though. G didn’t drop Quintana. G attacked as Kwiatkowski finished his turn. Quintana (and Nibali, and Bardet, and Roglic) then looked around for someone else to respond. If Quintana had reacted to Thomas’ move, no way he gets clear. The follow up from Froome, though...

 

[The Hegelian]

Of them, only Dennis might see Quintana in the Alpes, for a little bit at least. But none of them - no matter how good their form ever got, would ever countenance dropping him.

Let’s be clear here, though. G didn’t drop Quintana. G attacked as Kwiatkowski finished his turn. Quintana (and Nibali, and Bardet, and Roglic) then looked around for someone else to respond. If Quintana had reacted to Thomas’ move, no way he gets clear. The follow up from Froome, though...

In all respect and in the name of clarity not antagonism, are you trying to suggest that Quintana simply let Thomas ride away and gave him - in the name of grace - 1+ minute on GC?

 

[AQETUYIOI]

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...Boasson Hagen took help of some kind from another team (Team Sky's DS Servais Knaven).

https://twitter.com/EuroHoody/status/1019655782764335106

Got new bike, finished on a Pinarello?
https://translate.google.no/transla.../www.tv2.no/sport/9978040/&edit-text=&act=url

 

[Leinster]

Of them, only Dennis might see Quintana in the Alpes, for a little bit at least. But none of them - no matter how good their form ever got, would ever countenance dropping him.

Let’s be clear here, though. G didn’t drop Quintana. G attacked as Kwiatkowski finished his turn. Quintana (and Nibali, and Bardet, and Roglic) then looked around for someone else to respond. If Quintana had reacted to Thomas’ move, no way he gets clear. The follow up from Froome, though...

In all respect and in the name of clarity not antagonism, are you trying to suggest that Quintana simply let Thomas ride away and gave him - in the name of grace - 1+ minute on GC?

No, I’m saying

1)Thomas attacked
2) Quintana watched the attack, and then chose not to lead the chase for fear any of The others in the group would jump him.
3) Then Martin got back on as a result of all the faffing of the others, and attacked, Froome went with him and Quintana (return to 2).

 

[Koronin]

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:lol: :lol: :lol:
I've just watched it. Some remarks:
- first we must thank Movistar they tried to do sth, thanks to them the stage was more entertaining;
- great, what Michał Kwiatkowski did, what he was presumed to do - thanks to him finally Valverde cracked;
- Sb said -Valverde will win it - he will not, he is nowhere, and we have some summits above 2000 asl;
- Bahrain? - thanks, you did some great work, but after that Nibali did nothing;
- what was dissapointing - Froome behind Dumo;
- how could Landa or Quintana win with GT or CF with such shape - I don't know;
- what is question mark - how Froome will beat GT.

Landa is suffering from the crash. What he could have done if he wasn't suffering from the crash, who knows, but probably would have been better on this stage and most likely ahead of Quintana. The question is rather he could have held Froome's wheel or not. Who knows. At least Dumoulin and Valverde tried something. However, after today's stage, I very literally can't think of any good reason to watch anymore of this Tour.

 

[Koronin]

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Yeah. I'm out.....again.

Tour of Poland is becoming an interesting race, perhaps will rejoin the peloton then. The stuff currently unfolding is not watchable.

Any idea where I can watch it? It's not on TV over here. I'm with you on the Tour. I'm out as well. On the other hand, I also have a LOT of work over the next few weeks along with a long weekend in Ohio for an Indy Car race (the last weekend of the Tour). At least I know I'll have fun there no matter who wins that race.

 

[Moviefan1203]

What a stage! Lord, that was fun to watch. And this was the appetizer to tomorrow!

 

[The Hegelian]

Of them, only Dennis might see Quintana in the Alpes, for a little bit at least. But none of them - no matter how good their form ever got, would ever countenance dropping him.

Let’s be clear here, though. G didn’t drop Quintana. G attacked as Kwiatkowski finished his turn. Quintana (and Nibali, and Bardet, and Roglic) then looked around for someone else to respond. If Quintana had reacted to Thomas’ move, no way he gets clear. The follow up from Froome, though...

In all respect and in the name of clarity not antagonism, are you trying to suggest that Quintana simply let Thomas ride away and gave him - in the name of grace - 1+ minute on GC?

No, I’m saying

1)Thomas attacked
2) Quintana watched the attack, and then chose not to lead the chase for fear any of The others in the group would jump him.
3) Then Martin got back on as a result of all the faffing of the others, and attacked, Froome went with him and Quintana (return to 2).

"Watched the attack" = "Not able to respond to the attack" = "dropped by the attacker"

If he could have responded, he definitely would have.

 

[The Hegelian]

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Yeah. I'm out.....again.

Tour of Poland is becoming an interesting race, perhaps will rejoin the peloton then. The stuff currently unfolding is not watchable.

Any idea where I can watch it? It's not on TV over here. I'm with you on the Tour. I'm out as well. On the other hand, I also have a LOT of work over the next few weeks along with a long weekend in Ohio for an Indy Car race (the last weekend of the Tour). At least I know I'll have fun there no matter who wins that race.

I only got highlights last year - but it was a cool race. Great parcours. Maybe a livestream?

 

[Koronin]

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Yeah. I'm out.....again.

Tour of Poland is becoming an interesting race, perhaps will rejoin the peloton then. The stuff currently unfolding is not watchable.

Any idea where I can watch it? It's not on TV over here. I'm with you on the Tour. I'm out as well. On the other hand, I also have a LOT of work over the next few weeks along with a long weekend in Ohio for an Indy Car race (the last weekend of the Tour). At least I know I'll have fun there no matter who wins that race.

I only got highlights last year - but it was a cool race. Great parcours. Maybe a livestream?

TY, will have to look at least for the highlights. Unfortunately live means I'm either sleeping or working. Cycling isn't really good for watching live when you live in the US. The only races that are actually a good time to watch live are California, Utah, and Colorado (when they race that one).
When BEin sports had cycling Poland was one of the races they showed and I always enjoyed that race. Since they don't have cycling anymore not much of anything is on TV over here.

 

[rlntlssly]

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Also worth stating what Thomas' track competitors have achieved at WT level.

Australia was the closest rival to GB in individual and teams pursuit: Bobridge, Durbridge, Hepburn, Meyer.....All quality domestiques and Durbridge has become a very good cobbled classics rider. Then there is Dennis who is embarking on a clearly doomed attempt to transition into a climber/GC rider.

Of them, only Dennis might see Quintana in the Alpes, for a little bit at least. But none of them - no matter how good their form ever got, would ever countenance dropping him.

A possibly more relevant comparison is Peter Kennaugh. Not because he's a world-beating climber (though at his best he is clearly very good), but because he is very much not in the heavy-built trackie mould, and yet was Thomas's teammate when GB were the class act.

Rider physiology isn't as simple as people on this forum make out.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

What a GC massacre it was yesterday

Landa 1:47
Zakarin 1:58
Latour 2:59
Valverde 3:30
Fuglsang 3:53
Jungels 4:42
Yates 4:42
Mollema 11:29
Majka 11:29

I can't remember another day where so many GC riders imploded to that extent on a final climb. For some they must have gone too long trying to follow the Sky pace. Zakarin was dropped early but the fact he kept going quite well suggests he rode smartly. Jungels usually does the same - I guess just outclassed. Yates was a surprise - maybe the pressure of the team being all for him and leaving Ewen at home

 

[May0maniac]

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What a GC massacre it was yesterday

Landa 1:47
Zakarin 1:58
Latour 2:59
Valverde 3:30
Fuglsang 3:53
Jungels 4:42
Yates 4:42
Mollema 11:29
Majka 11:29

I can't remember another day where so many GC riders imploded to that extent on a final climb. For some they must have gone too long trying to follow the Sky pace. Zakarin was dropped early but the fact he kept going quite well suggests he rode smartly. Jungels usually does the same - I guess just outclassed. Yates was a surprise - maybe the pressure of the team being all for him and leaving Ewen at home

Jungels is a bit banged up because of crashes:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlTjtTTAD-S/?taken-by=bobjungels

 

[May0maniac]

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Also worth stating what Thomas' track competitors have achieved at WT level.

Australia was the closest rival to GB in individual and teams pursuit: Bobridge, Durbridge, Hepburn, Meyer.....All quality domestiques and Durbridge has become a very good cobbled classics rider. Then there is Dennis who is embarking on a clearly doomed attempt to transition into a climber/GC rider.

Of them, only Dennis might see Quintana in the Alpes, for a little bit at least. But none of them - no matter how good their form ever got, would ever countenance dropping him.

A possibly more relevant comparison is Peter Kennaugh. Not because he's a world-beating climber (though at his best he is clearly very good), but because he is very much not in the heavy-built trackie mould, and yet was Thomas's teammate when GB were the class act.

Rider physiology isn't as simple as people on this forum make out.

Kennaugh was always also a talented road cyclist and Back in the day people saw Bobride as a huge talent, the guy was also rather light, 65kg and still a world class TT rider in the U23 ranks, so his power to weight ratio had to be great. Rheumatoid arthritis and his personal issues ruined the guy.

 

[Gigs_98]

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What a GC massacre it was yesterday

Landa 1:47
Zakarin 1:58
Latour 2:59
Valverde 3:30
Fuglsang 3:53
Jungels 4:42
Yates 4:42
Mollema 11:29
Majka 11:29

I can't remember another day where so many GC riders imploded to that extent on a final climb. For some they must have gone too long trying to follow the Sky pace. Zakarin was dropped early but the fact he kept going quite well suggests he rode smartly. Jungels usually does the same - I guess just outclassed. Yates was a surprise - maybe the pressure of the team being all for him and leaving Ewen at home

LPSM was probably even more extreme. Never again have I witnessed a massacre like that again

 

[bajbar]

Re: Re:

What a GC massacre it was yesterday

Landa 1:47
Zakarin 1:58
Latour 2:59
Valverde 3:30
Fuglsang 3:53
Jungels 4:42
Yates 4:42
Mollema 11:29
Majka 11:29

I can't remember another day where so many GC riders imploded to that extent on a final climb. For some they must have gone too long trying to follow the Sky pace. Zakarin was dropped early but the fact he kept going quite well suggests he rode smartly. Jungels usually does the same - I guess just outclassed. Yates was a surprise - maybe the pressure of the team being all for him and leaving Ewen at home

LPSM was probably even more extreme. Never again have I witnessed a massacre like that again

Then today is your lucky day :lol:

 

[Lequack]

31 Big Photos from Stage 11 (descriptions added) — corvos/aso
http://www.steephill.tv/2018/tour-de-france/photos/stage-11/

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Also worth stating what Thomas' track competitors have achieved at WT level.

Australia was the closest rival to GB in individual and teams pursuit: Bobridge, Durbridge, Hepburn, Meyer.....All quality domestiques and Durbridge has become a very good cobbled classics rider. Then there is Dennis who is embarking on a clearly doomed attempt to transition into a climber/GC rider.

Of them, only Dennis might see Quintana in the Alpes, for a little bit at least. But none of them - no matter how good their form ever got, would ever countenance dropping him.

A possibly more relevant comparison is Peter Kennaugh. Not because he's a world-beating climber (though at his best he is clearly very good), but because he is very much not in the heavy-built trackie mould, and yet was Thomas's teammate when GB were the class act.

Rider physiology isn't as simple as people on this forum make out.

Kennaugh was always also a talented road cyclist and Back in the day people saw Bobride as a huge talent, the guy was also rather light, 65kg and still a world class TT rider in the U23 ranks, so his power to weight ratio had to be great. Rheumatoid arthritis and his personal issues ruined the guy.

Some things are very simple though, like Kennaugh being a chain smoker not helping his bid to become a GT winning rider

 

[del1962]

Re: Re:

Also worth stating what Thomas' track competitors have achieved at WT level.

Australia was the closest rival to GB in individual and teams pursuit: Bobridge, Durbridge, Hepburn, Meyer.....All quality domestiques and Durbridge has become a very good cobbled classics rider. Then there is Dennis who is embarking on a clearly doomed attempt to transition into a climber/GC rider.

Of them, only Dennis might see Quintana in the Alpes, for a little bit at least. But none of them - no matter how good their form ever got, would ever countenance dropping him.

A possibly more relevant comparison is Peter Kennaugh. Not because he's a world-beating climber (though at his best he is clearly very good), but because he is very much not in the heavy-built trackie mould, and yet was Thomas's teammate when GB were the class act.

Rider physiology isn't as simple as people on this forum make out.

Kennaugh was always also a talented road cyclist and Back in the day people saw Bobride as a huge talent, the guy was also rather light, 65kg and still a world class TT rider in the U23 ranks, so his power to weight ratio had to be great. Rheumatoid arthritis and his personal issues ruined the guy.

Some things are very simple though, like Kennaugh being a chain smoker not helping his bid to become a GT winning rider

Also he likes his beer

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Also worth stating what Thomas' track competitors have achieved at WT level.

Australia was the closest rival to GB in individual and teams pursuit: Bobridge, Durbridge, Hepburn, Meyer.....All quality domestiques and Durbridge has become a very good cobbled classics rider. Then there is Dennis who is embarking on a clearly doomed attempt to transition into a climber/GC rider.

Of them, only Dennis might see Quintana in the Alpes, for a little bit at least. But none of them - no matter how good their form ever got, would ever countenance dropping him.

A possibly more relevant comparison is Peter Kennaugh. Not because he's a world-beating climber (though at his best he is clearly very good), but because he is very much not in the heavy-built trackie mould, and yet was Thomas's teammate when GB were the class act.

Rider physiology isn't as simple as people on this forum make out.

Kennaugh was always also a talented road cyclist and Back in the day people saw Bobride as a huge talent, the guy was also rather light, 65kg and still a world class TT rider in the U23 ranks, so his power to weight ratio had to be great. Rheumatoid arthritis and his personal issues ruined the guy.

Some things are very simple though, like Kennaugh being a chain smoker not helping his bid to become a GT winning rider

Also he likes his beer

I have a hard time blaming him for that.

 

[Alexandre B.]

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I don't think we will see anything here outside of the last climb. The only team who can do anything to Sky is Movistar and they are hampered by their climbing depth outside of Mikel, Nairo and Alejandro. Too early to sacrifice for one another. Bardet is overrated (both his aggression and capability), to soon for Nibali etc.

Bardet is overrated in capability, eh.

For the third year in a row, he’s better than your beloved Movistar amigos.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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I don't think we will see anything here outside of the last climb. The only team who can do anything to Sky is Movistar and they are hampered by their climbing depth outside of Mikel, Nairo and Alejandro. Too early to sacrifice for one another. Bardet is overrated (both his aggression and capability), to soon for Nibali etc.

Bardet is overrated in capability, eh.

You really remembered that comment and thought to yourself that if Bardet did well yesterday or today, you would stick it to me. Lmao.

 

[Alexandre B.]

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I don't think we will see anything here outside of the last climb. The only team who can do anything to Sky is Movistar and they are hampered by their climbing depth outside of Mikel, Nairo and Alejandro. Too early to sacrifice for one another. Bardet is overrated (both his aggression and capability), to soon for Nibali etc.

Bardet is overrated in capability, eh.

You really remembered that comment and thought to yourself that if Bardet did well yesterday or today, you would stick it to me. Lmao.

Of course I did.

Now apologize for your ignorance.