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[Hugh Januss]

I can't believe some of you are still on about LeMond.
This is for you.

 

[andy1234]

I can't believe some of you are still on about LeMond.
This is for you.

That's nothing a shot of iron wouldn't sort out....

 

[Hugh Januss]

Who needs anything to offer?

All that is required is that every action, regardless of how tenuous, is analysed until a line of dots suddenly appears.....or doesn't.

Being injected by a doping doctor, and subsequently having a dramatic increase in performance, is equally worthy of discussion and suspicion.

As per usual clinic practice, until LeMond can prove that this suspicious chain of events was legitimate, he must remain under suspicion.
It's the way of the clinic......

Don't you love it?

OK then let's compare "lines of dots" vs lengths of career and subsequent passage of time for bad stuff to come out.

LeMond
Career 14 years.
Time since retirement 19 years.
Line of dots. .

Wigans
Career 13 years.
Time since retirement 0 years.
Line of dots. ..................

Armstrong
Career 13 years + another ill advised 3 years.
Time since retirement 2 fun filled years.
Line of dots (prior to USADA neatly joining them together) .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

 

[andy1234]

OK then let's compare "lines of dots" vs lengths of career and subsequent passage of time for bad stuff to come out.

LeMond
Career 14 years.
Time since retirement 19 years.
Line of dots. .

Wigans
Career 13 years.
Time since retirement 0 years.
Line of dots. ..................

Armstrong
Career 13 years + another ill advised 3 years.
Time since retirement 2 fun filled years.
Line of dots (prior to USADA neatly joining them together) .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

No arguments there. Lets keep up the good work.
No stone unturned.

Just one more point.

1989 - availability of information and ability for joe bloggs to discuss, distribute and disseminate information ..

2013 - availability of information and ability for joe bloggs to discuss, distribute and disseminate information ...........................................................................................

 

[peterst6906]

I can't believe some of you are still on about LeMond.
This is for you.

No one was on about LeMond.

RR kicked the thread off again with a defensive post following 2 weeks of no activity on it. I am at a bit of a loss to see why as there didn't seem to be any need. It was the content of that post that has drawn discussion again about the injections.

 

[D-Queued]

No arguments there. Lets keep up the good work.
No stone unturned.

Just one more point.

1989 - availability of information and ability for joe bloggs to discuss, distribute and disseminate information ..

2013 - availability of information and ability for joe bloggs to discuss, distribute and disseminate information ...........................................................................................

That would be two points.

Dave.

 

[andy1234]

That would be two points.

Dave.

Good post.

 

[peterst6906]

That would be two points.

Dave.

Can also be one.

 

[andy1234]

No one was on about LeMond.

RR kicked the thread off again with a defensive post following 2 weeks of no activity on it. I am at a bit of a loss to see why as there didn't seem to be any need. It was the content of that post that has drawn discussion again about the injections.

That's easy. RRs hourly alarm had gone off, notifying him to mention Lance Armstrong in at least one form of social media.
This thread was just collateral damage.

 

[Hugh Januss]

No one was on about LeMond.

RR kicked the thread off again with a defensive post following 2 weeks of no activity on it. I am at a bit of a loss to see why as there didn't seem to be any need. It was the content of that post that has drawn discussion again about the injections.

He linked to an interview which seems to have been posted yesterday, so I don't understand the defensive post reference, and Andy and oldfart are certainly on about something.

 

[Hugh Januss]

That's easy. RRs hourly alarm had gone off, notifying him to mention Lance Armstrong in at least one form of social media.
This thread was just collateral damage.

Are you the last of the interns?

Don't hate RR for being right all along, it doesn't make you appear very bright.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Who needs anything to offer?

All that is required is that every action, regardless of how tenuous, is analysed until a line of dots suddenly appears.....or doesn't.

Being injected by a doping doctor, and subsequently having a dramatic increase in performance, is equally worthy of discussion and suspicion.

As per usual clinic practice, until LeMond can prove that this suspicious chain of events was legitimate, he must remain under suspicion.
It's the way of the clinic......

Don't you love it?

Quit blaming everyone because you were stupid enough to believe Wonderboy was clean.

 

[peterst6906]

He linked to an interview which seems to have been posted yesterday, so I don't understand the defensive post reference, and Andy and oldfart are certainly on about something.

He started it like this:

"Armstrong pushed an organized campaign to smear Greg. One of his inventions was that some Iron that Greg took was EPO....Nonsense"

At this point, who cares what Armstrong says or has ever said anymore. Certainly most of the general public seem to have realised the value of his trash over the years.

There was no need to defend LeMond in an inactive thread. He could have just left it alone, or just posted the interview without any additional commentary so that it's an ongoing and complete record of information.

As to oldfart and andy, in terms of the general trends in the clinic, I can see where they are coming from. Change the riders name and the attacks would be very thick and very fast, irrespective of any previous evidence of cleanliness. In terms of the underlying message of their posts, I think they are mainly taking a swipe at the clinic culture more than anything.

 

[Hugh Januss]

He started it like this:

"Armstrong pushed an organized campaign to smear Greg. One of his inventions was that some Iron that Greg took was EPO....Nonsense"

At this point, who cares what Armstrong says or has ever said anymore. Certainly most of the general public seem to have realised the value of his trash over the years.

There was no need to defend LeMond in an inactive thread. He could have just left it alone, or just posted the interview without any additional commentary.

So why does it have your panties in a twist?

 

[peterst6906]

So why does it have your panties in a twist?

It doesn't. I added as view to a thread that started up agian. That how the place works.

Why do my posts have your panties in a twist? Of course, the answer to that is, they don't. Same thing.

 

[Race Radio]

He started it like this:

"Armstrong pushed an organized campaign to smear Greg. One of his inventions was that some Iron that Greg took was EPO....Nonsense"

At this point, who cares what Armstrong says or has ever said anymore. Certainly most of the general public seem to have realised the value of his trash over the years.

There was no need to defend LeMond in an inactive thread. He could have just left it alone, or just posted the interview without any additional commentary so that it's an ongoing and complete record of information.

As to oldfart and andy, in terms of the general trends in the clinic, I can see where they are coming from. Change the riders name and the attacks would be very thick and very fast, irrespective of any previous evidence of cleanliness. In terms of the underlying message of their posts, I think they are mainly taking a swipe at the clinic culture more than anything.

You are confused.

While most now realize the truth about Wonderboy there are still plenty out there who bought into the smear campaign against Greg. Correcting the misinformation that many still believe is a good thing

 

[Big Doopie]

Man I would have loved to see lemond on epo just once.

That would haven been totally nuts.

95 vo2 on freakin epo. Holy crap!

He would have left Delgado and fignon 10 mins behind on l'alpe...

Oh...uh...wait a minute...



Too bad he was just one honest, good kid with a bunch of anxieties.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Man I would have loved to see lemond on epo just once.

That would haven been totally nuts.

95 vo2 on freakin epo. Holy crap!

He would have left Delgado and fignon 10 mins behind on l'alpe...

Oh...uh...wait a minute...



Too bad he was just one honest, good kid with a bunch of anxieties.

Yeah good one, except for the fact that his max vo2 was that high before EPO was around which would have most likely made him a poor responder to O2 vector drugs of any sort, so LeMond on EPO would have been well probably LeMond with a 96 vo2.

 

[D-Queued]

Can also be one.

I'll bite.

Which one?

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

That's easy. RRs hourly alarm had gone off, notifying him to mention Lance Armstrong in at least one form of social media.
This thread was just collateral damage.

Been a hard few months for you hasn't it?

Not my fault.

 

[peterst6906]

I'll bite.

Which one?

Dave.

One comparison. Two pieces of data, but only 1 point being made.

 

[andy1234]

Been a hard few months for you hasn't it?

Not my fault.

Life without Armstrong has zero impact on me. In fact, life with Armstrong had zero impact on me.

LeMond should be allowed to live on. Of course, that shouldn't excuse him from the intollerable scrutiny that every other rider goes through. That would be hypocritical.

 

[andy1234]

Quit blaming everyone because you were stupid enough to believe Wonderboy was clean.

Stick that on a T-shirt. Its catchy.

 

[D-Queued]

One comparison. Two pieces of data, but only 1 point being made.

Omerta is broken?

Dave.

 

[peterst6906]

Omerta is broken?

Dave.

Sorry, maybe cause it's late at night here or something, but I don't see the link to what you mean.