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Race Radio said:
Likely because he has answered the question over and over. Given that he has provided an answer in the past most would see his answer as adding more depth to the discussion.

http://admirelemond.blogspot.com/2007/07/lexpress-interview-from-july-12th-2007.html
http://www.sportgeschiedenis.nl/2013/02/04/pdm-en-een-doping-experiment-in-1988.aspx

I hope u can read Dutch.

And, for the idots that want to link this to LeMond: I have enough sources that will prove LeMond didnt want anything to do with these pharmaceutical enhanced idiots.

But, I guess LeMonds track record of 1988 will speak for itsself:
http://www.greglemondfan.com/1988.html

DNF = not equal to PDM 1988
 
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horsinabout said:
The general tennant of Lemonds interview here is noble talk without question - but listen 1.30mins in when he gets popped the little question. Not very scientific you will argue, however, my lie detector antenni started to bleep! Stuttering, definately dry mouth, eye contact not constant. Only saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYsp4NKUo_M&list=HL1365696568

Well, only sayin', but folks who run lie detector tests look at the whole performance - beginning to end - innocent questions and all. When I look at the whole interview, Greg seems to me to be suffering from all those "indicators" the whole time. As a matter of fact, at that point in the interview, he seems more comfortable with his answer than other, more complicated questions. I can't agree with your radar on this.
 
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So..... its great that Greg is whiter than white. Im a big fan. Has anyone else stopped to appreciate he took cocaine with Fignon? I realize that is not a PED but he is not the Pope.
 
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Rusty Bike said:
So..... its great that Greg is whiter than white. Im a big fan. Has anyone else stopped to appreciate he took cocaine with Fignon? I realize that is not a PED but he is not the Pope.

Can't read huh? Covered.

So, which banned poster are you?
 
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horsinabout said:
The general tennant of Lemonds interview here is noble talk without question - but listen 1.30mins in when he gets popped the little question. Not very scientific you will argue, however, my lie detector antenni started to bleep! Stuttering, definately dry mouth, eye contact not constant. Only saying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYsp4NKUo_M&list=HL1365696568

I was reading your post and this isn't very scientific but they way you combine verbs and nouns together and the patterns of words leaves me to belive that you are full of crap and pushing an agenda. I am not saying you are full of crap but it comes across that way. Nothing personal of course. Only saying.
 
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ChewbaccaD said:
A nod's as good as a wink to a blind man...fire away...

Just the original question boss. Johan seems to have slipped under the radar and wanted to hear if anyone had heard anything more. Feel sheepish about even asking now.
 
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Race Radio said:
Likely because he has answered the question over and over. Given that he has provided an answer in the past most would see his answer as adding more depth to the discussion.

http://admirelemond.blogspot.com/2007/07/lexpress-interview-from-july-12th-2007.html

horsinabout said:
I noticed this and what do you think he meant? I think he was avoiding the question directly. . .

It seems to me that your current point of view is colored by an assumption that GL was avoiding a direct answer. I think you are assuming GL has something to hide. IF you approach all this discussion with that assumption, you would have a point. However, as has been noted, we have zero evidence to implicate GL in ANY doping. We do have a former team mate of GL who is a poster here, who said, in these forums, that in his opinion, GL would have done whatever he could that was legal. But what could anyone here find wrong with that?

I think you will find the linked interview above interesting. Also, read below.

IndianCyclist said:
True, there was little doubt about his own doping (no doping based on strong ethics) but the hesitation was about recollecting others doping. He definitely knew who, what & where. Also Lemond was definitely offered drugs as well. But he was a phenomenal cyclist. If you are wining easy (seen from his record from an early age) why would you dope. . . . the one little thing that i have against Lemond is that he has not grassed on anyone else who doped (probably cannot because of libel). He is more against dodgy doctors than poor cyclists.

If you read the interview above, and keep the timeline straight, you will clearly see that Lemond did NOT know "who, what, and where" until he figured things out, years later. It is obvious that, even after Floyd got busted, based on Lemond's comments, that he STILL was not aware of the extent of the problem.

Add to this that Lemond has testified in court about the characters that he DOES know, and what he knows, I don't believe you can realistically say he didn't "grass" on anyone. Especially given his famous quote about Ferrari. At the time, that comment was still pretty controversial/outrageous.

D-Queued said:
Greg was recalling the case of Philippe Casado, though I am pretty sure that he has never specifically named Casado. He first made reference publicly to this 'teammate' in 2007.

Casado moved onto Jolly from GAN, where there was a full program in place.

Casado had been a loyal Domestique to LeMond, and had even won the first stage in the Giro.

Casado died of an apparent heart attack at age 30, in his back yard while playing soccer with his young son.

Unusual for a four time Tour finisher.

Notably some of these facts are not yet in Wikipedia, including the Giro stage win. and I long ago elected not to put them there myself.

These circumstances may qualify as tragic.

The death and its circumstance may help explain why Greg might hesitate in recounting anything about Casado.

Dave.

In the interview linked above, Greg mentions Casado by name - and tells the story. That interview gives good insight into the situation. It is interesting to me that Greg really didn't suspect the depth of the problem until well after Floyd got caught. I also find that fits with my experience - having lived those days - and even though I have a somewhat sceptical mind, and I knew something of the doping issue, I did not suspect the massiveness of the problem. And I know I'm not the only one.
 
In the nineteen years since Lemond has retired, not one person has ever come forward and said "yes, I've seen Lemond dope".

Armstrong put out an offer of $300,000 to anyone who would come forward with any information about Lemond doping. This is a large sum of money to a retired cyclist who may be living humbly, but guess what?

Not one of Lemond's ex-teammates ever came forward, even with such a great amount of tax-free income at stake.

Ascertaining Lemond's level of honesty or dishonesty from body language dissected from a youtube video is seriously grasping at straws, and it's leading this thread right off a cliff.

So, until further notice, enough with the accusations.
 

Dr. Maserati

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Rusty Bike said:
Not sure what your looking for. Just want a bit of debate my friend.

You're not getting away with the outrageous claim that Lemond took recreational drugs with either Fignonn or anyone else.

If you don't have anything constructive to add, stay off the thread.

Consider yourself warned.

-Berzin

What?

Berzin - did you add the highlighted to someones post?

LeMond has admitted that he took cocaine with Fignon at a race in Colombia.
While IMO it has nothing to do with PEDs it does not mean it should not be discussed and it should not require any intervention from a mod.
 
Rusty Bike said:
Not sure what your looking for. Just want a bit of debate my friend.

You're not getting away with the outrageous claim that Lemond took recreational drugs with either Fignonn or anyone else.

If you don't have anything constructive to add, stay off the thread.

Consider yourself warned.

-Berzin

Is the added comment a joke?
Berzin needs to bring himself up to speed, and go back to moderator school....
 
andy1234 said:
Is the added comment a joke?
Berzin needs to bring himself up to speed, and go back to moderator school....

By the way Andy, curious if you've ever posted any of your "facts" you've gone on about, and we've asked you to post several times? Oh, and you still haven't answered why Greg should be "scrutinized", or when he supposedly doped, as you've assumed/claimed more than once, can we see that info from you please?

Thank you.
 
86TDFWinner said:
By the way Andy, curious if you've ever posted any of your "facts" you've gone on about, and we've asked you to post several times? Oh, and you still haven't answered why Greg should be "scrutinized", or when he supposedly doped, as you've assumed/claimed more than once, can we see that info from you please?

Thank you.

You are just arguing with yourself.
 
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Zweistein said:
I was reading your post and this isn't very scientific but they way you combine verbs and nouns together and the patterns of words leaves me to belive that you are full of crap and pushing an agenda. I am not saying you are full of crap but it comes across that way. Nothing personal of
course. Only saying.

Well spotted, you've found me out i'm full of sh*t, i have this really big agenda - it's called seeking the truth.
 
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Hero2 thank you for the heads up. I have read the the "admirelemond" blog spot from 2007 posted by race radio.

In my view he is much more relaxed and comfortable about his past in the article, which was back in 2007.

A lot has changed in the sport post LA confession. There is now an unwravelling of truth within professional cycling. Now in 2013, six years on, by contrast GL appears not so comfortable when directly questioned about his past in a TV interview.
 
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horsinabout said:
Hero2 thank you for the heads up. I have read the the "admirelemond" blog spot from 2007 posted by race radio.

In my view he is much more relaxed and comfortable about his past in the article, which was back in 2007.

A lot has changed in the sport post LA confession. There is now an unwravelling of truth within professional cycling. Now in 2013, six years on, by contrast GL appears not so comfortable when directly questioned about his past in a TV interview.

The issue has a long history, and Greg has been up front the whole time, for over a decade now. One of the points that has been made here, and it has been consistently true throughout Greg's history, is that he has always been a little uncomfortable when speaking in public. One of my points about the television interview is that he appeared uncomfortable throughout. I know the body language "reading" techniques you are looking at, but they are put off when you have the same things going on consistently, throughout an interview session. It seems Greg has become more comfortable over the years with one-on-one interviews. Sometimes in those he can be quite brilliant. There is a new online mag on itunes (r2, I think its called) with a Lemond interview that is also quite open - perhaps embarrassingly so!

I think attributing the discomfort that Greg appears to have, in that tv interview you linked, to a guilty conscience, is REALLY stretching to find something. He is uncomfortable throughout, and it could be due to any number of reasons.
 
hiero2 said:
The issue has a long history, and Greg has been up front the whole time, for over a decade now. One of the points that has been made here, and it has been consistently true throughout Greg's history, is that he has always been a little uncomfortable when speaking in public. One of my points about the television interview is that he appeared uncomfortable throughout. I know the body language "reading" techniques you are looking at, but they are put off when you have the same things going on consistently, throughout an interview session. It seems Greg has become more comfortable over the years with one-on-one interviews. Sometimes in those he can be quite brilliant. There is a new online mag on itunes (r2, I think its called) with a Lemond interview that is also quite open - perhaps embarrassingly so!

I think attributing the discomfort that Greg appears to have, in that tv interview you linked, to a guilty conscience, is REALLY stretching to find something. He is uncomfortable throughout, and it could be due to any number of reasons.

It's 2r ;)

And the interview with LeMond (done by Kimmage) is truly great.
 
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Lemond enthusiasts are feeling a tad uncomfortable also methinks.

I get the feeling most Lemond fans have their fingers in their ears, are singing loudly to themselves and are hoping this thread goes away very quickly. :p
 
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horsinabout said:
Well spotted, you've found me out i'm full of sh*t, i have this really big agenda - it's called seeking the truth.

So much digging and after 30 years nothing has been found. Why not turn your "incredible detective" skills to any number of other coaches, doctors, riders, and UCI leaders? Or are you putting your "incredible detective" skills to use for reasons that have nothing to do with trying to clean up the sport? Maybe, a smear campaign?
 
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Rusty Bike said:
Not sure what your looking for. Just want a bit of debate my friend.

You're not getting away with the outrageous claim that Lemond took recreational drugs with either Fignonn or anyone else.

If you don't have anything constructive to add, stay off the thread.

Consider yourself warned.

-Berzin

Wow. That's crossing the line for a moderator. Poor form, Berzin.
 
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