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Liberty Seguros - cycling's dumbest sponsor?

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From Libertine Seguros' post:

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I don't understand, you drop out of cycling because of Puerto. Fair enough, you go to Portugal, where everybody knows the score there, and unsurprisingly, more riders get popped, and you pull out, and start an amateur team. I mean WTF?

Is it fair to say that Liberty Seguros knew there was an organised doping program (at least when they sponsored a team run under Saiz's watch), but pulled out when the **** hit the fan to save their public image. Somebody told me that the Festina company knew of the doping ring going, and supported it, but when they got busted, they washed their hands of any involvement. Is the Festina thing true?
 

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craig1985 said:
From Libertine Seguros' post:

Look here

I don't understand, you drop out of cycling because of Puerto. Fair enough, you go to Portugal, where everybody knows the score there, and unsurprisingly, more riders get popped, and you pull out, and start an amateur team. I mean WTF?

Is it fair to say that Liberty Seguros knew there was an organised doping program (at least when they sponsored a team run under Saiz's watch), but pulled out when the **** hit the fan to save their public image. Somebody told me that the Festina company knew of the doping ring going, and supported it, but when they got busted, they washed their hands of any involvement. Is the Festina thing true?
Ah, Liberty Seguros - I could write a book about them.

Liberty Seguros was the Iberian part of Liberty Mutual who are based in Boston. Liberty Mutual were pretty clueless to what was going on in Europe, but did renegotiate their contract with Sainz after Roberto got popped in the Vuelta - this is what allowed them to jump ship when Sainz himself got busted in Puerto.

My favourite Liberty Seguros story is poor neo-pro Nuno Ribeiro returned a 52% HCT before the Giro in 2005, Sainz made claims to the media that he was stunned - 2 weeks later Sainz made public that Ribiero was sacked (only to appear on the Portugese Liberty Seguros team!!).

All was well, except 2 weeks after the sacking of Ribiero, Isidro Nozal returned a 52% HCT at the Dauphine - again Sainz said he was shocked, but the problem was Nozal was not a 'nobody' like Ribiero, he finished 2nd in the Vuelta in 2003 & was Heras right hand man. But surely he had to be sacked like Ribiero, right?

How did Sainz solve this problem - he sacked the Doctor ;)

If the names sound familiar - Nozal & Ribiero were caught last year for CERA on the Portuguese Pro-Conti Liberty Seguros team.
 
Liberty Seguros Continental have been running since the start of the Liberty Seguros ProTour team with Saíz. It was in fact the Continental team to which I was referring in the post highlighted above, but that was of course long after the disaster from the Saíz-run ProTour team. Liberty Seguros Continental were a separate entity from Liberty Seguros-Würth (one was based in Spain and the other in Portugal), but there were certain agreements, much as Orbea functions as an unofficial feeder team for Euskaltel. It was easy enough to bounce Ribeiro down a level, but Nozal was a top name. While he did come 2nd in the 2003 Vuelta, this was after Heras beat him on the final time trial, after Nozal had held the maillot oro since stage 4. I felt rather sorry for Nozal there.

Anyway, after they left the ProTour the sponsor could plough their money into the Continental team. They ceased to be a co-sponsor (more on that later), and took sole ownership of their Continental team. They were pretty big actually, with a fair few names who were really too big to be on a Continental team without even ProConti status - 2009's lineup including Héctor Guerra, Nuno Ribeiro, Isidro Nozal, Manuel Cardoso, Rubén Plaza, and others. They dominated the Portuguese cycling calendar. Nuno Ribeiro won the Volta a Portugal by escaping with João Cabreira (himself riding after being mind-blowingly exonerated of sample-tampering in order to escape implication in the LA-MSS scandal, despite a mountain of evidence against him) on the Alto da Senhora da Graça, and then again, despite being the yellow jersey, on the fabled Alto da Torre. Of course, three of the nine popped positive in the race, after Guerra and Nozal (two of the positives) were surprisingly quiet given their racing pedigree and Guerra being one of the overwhelming favourites for the race. Liberty Seguros announced they were withdrawing from cycling on the spot. As you would, really, and I don't think anybody could blame them. Then, they take over an amateur team, and the results for races like the Volta a Maia and Volta al Albufeira include young riders coming through racing for Liberty Seguros-Santamaría da Feira. The team apparently have aspirations of climbing to the Continental level, as with the departures of Benfica, Liberty and LA-MSS in the last two years, Portuguese continental cycling is the thinnest it's been in years.

On the previous note, there is another potential dumbest sponsor in cycling - LA Aluminios. LA Aluminios is a Portuguese company who entered cycling back in about 2003-4. They were co-sponsors of a Portuguese continental team, alongside the aforementioned Liberty Seguros. Liberty Seguros were obviously the senior partners, the team kits closely reflected the colours of Liberty, and blah blah blah, even though LA Aluminios were named first in the team name. When Liberty bought out the team in full, LA Aluminios took their money and injected it into another Portuguese team, that being the União Ciclista da Maia, or Milaneza-Maia/Milaneza-MSS Maia as some of you may remember it from their occasional visits to the Vuelta a España. They brought in some Spanish riders, like any other good Portuguese Continental team looking for cheap riders in the aftermath of Puerto, and set about their business. Business was pretty good in 2007, the highlight being Spanish (but non-Puerto) import Xavier Tondó winning the Volta a Portugal by vaulting over Eladio Jiménez and Cândido Barbosa in the final ITT. In 2008, however, things started to unravel. It started when they took part in one of the most preposterous sights in recent years, when Stefano Garzelli and no fewer than four LA-MSS riders broke away from the péloton in the first stage of the Vuelta a Asturias, putting over a minute into the field. At the end of the 5-day race, LA-MSS had five riders in the top 11, including all three podium spots. Later that month, promising young rider Bruno Neves died when he had a heart attack and crashed during a race. Feeling that something might be up, the Portuguese police struck, and hit the jackpot, with the discovery of widespread team doping. Nine riders were suspended, the team doctor banned for ten years, and other sanctions were imposed. Some riders were hit harder than others - João Cabreira, as mentioned above, was somehow able to avoid the hit despite a huge red X on his back. The remaining riders were excluded from the Volta a Portugal and the team, forever linked with scandal, disappeared.

Or so we thought. Fercase-Rota dos Movéis were a somewhat less successful Portuguese team; never really being able to compete with the giants of LA-MSS, Liberty Seguros and Benfica. In 2009, Fercase were about to pull the sponsorship plug, when who should step in to save them but LA Aluminios? LA also brought with them some of their previous riders who'd been able to escape the hit, with Constantino Zaballa being the most recognisable name amongst them. At the end of 2009, however, the team decided that they would like to protect their reputation, with Iberian cycling teams falling left right and centre - some folding entirely, and others dropping to amateur status like Extremadura and, with their takeover of an amateur team, Liberty Seguros. As a result of this, all of the ex-Puerto/LA-MSS names had to go. They found spots, mind - Constantino Zaballa joined his old LA-MSS teammate João Cabreira at Loulé (taking the roster spot vacated by Eladio Jiménez's positive test perhaps?) for example. With all of that roster space left over, what were LA-Paredes Rota dos Movéis to do? Of course, they had to find riders - preferably fairly local and on the cheap with rides not going too easily - to fill them. And with Liberty Seguros Continental having folded, there were some riders who perfectly fit the bill right there!

So yea, Liberty Seguros and LA Aluminios. Hardiest, or foolhardiest, sponsors in cycling?
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Liberty Seguros Continental have been running since....
So yea, Liberty Seguros and LA Aluminios. Hardiest, or foolhardiest, sponsors in cycling?

LS seems to be chapter 2 (at least) in the Manolo S Doping Saga Lets not forget his Kelme project, currently providing us with entertainment as the "Operacion Grial". Would you believe systematic doping in Kelme? That would mean Jesus M wasn't lying after all.... go figer.

Maybe this world wide banking / insurance / finance fiasco The Bush family left us has made it hard for Lib Seg to worry about a few (more) Spanish dopers.
 
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Liberty Seguros Continental have been running since the start of the Liberty Seguros ProTour team with Saíz. It was in fact the Continental team to which I was referring in the post highlighted above, but that was of course long after the disaster from the Saíz-run ProTour team. Liberty Seguros Continental were a separate entity from Liberty Seguros-Würth (one was based in Spain and the other in Portugal), but there were certain agreements, much as Orbea functions as an unofficial feeder team for Euskaltel. It was easy enough to bounce Ribeiro down a level, but Nozal was a top name. While he did come 2nd in the 2003 Vuelta, this was after Heras beat him on the final time trial, after Nozal had held the maillot oro since stage 4. I felt rather sorry for Nozal there.

Anyway, after they left the ProTour the sponsor could plough their money into the Continental team. They ceased to be a co-sponsor (more on that later), and took sole ownership of their Continental team. They were pretty big actually, with a fair few names who were really too big to be on a Continental team without even ProConti status - 2009's lineup including Héctor Guerra, Nuno Ribeiro, Isidro Nozal, Manuel Cardoso, Rubén Plaza, and others. They dominated the Portuguese cycling calendar. Nuno Ribeiro won the Volta a Portugal by escaping with João Cabreira (himself riding after being mind-blowingly exonerated of sample-tampering in order to escape implication in the LA-MSS scandal, despite a mountain of evidence against him) on the Alto da Senhora da Graça, and then again, despite being the yellow jersey, on the fabled Alto da Torre. Of course, three of the nine popped positive in the race, after Guerra and Nozal (two of the positives) were surprisingly quiet given their racing pedigree and Guerra being one of the overwhelming favourites for the race. Liberty Seguros announced they were withdrawing from cycling on the spot. As you would, really, and I don't think anybody could blame them. Then, they take over an amateur team, and the results for races like the Volta a Maia and Volta al Albufeira include young riders coming through racing for Liberty Seguros-Santamaría da Feira. The team apparently have aspirations of climbing to the Continental level, as with the departures of Benfica, Liberty and LA-MSS in the last two years, Portuguese continental cycling is the thinnest it's been in years.

On the previous note, there is another potential dumbest sponsor in cycling - LA Aluminios. LA Aluminios is a Portuguese company who entered cycling back in about 2003-4. They were co-sponsors of a Portuguese continental team, alongside the aforementioned Liberty Seguros. Liberty Seguros were obviously the senior partners, the team kits closely reflected the colours of Liberty, and blah blah blah, even though LA Aluminios were named first in the team name. When Liberty bought out the team in full, LA Aluminios took their money and injected it into another Portuguese team, that being the União Ciclista da Maia, or Milaneza-Maia/Milaneza-MSS Maia as some of you may remember it from their occasional visits to the Vuelta a España. They brought in some Spanish riders, like any other good Portuguese Continental team looking for cheap riders in the aftermath of Puerto, and set about their business. Business was pretty good in 2007, the highlight being Spanish (but non-Puerto) import Xavier Tondó winning the Volta a Portugal by vaulting over Eladio Jiménez and Cândido Barbosa in the final ITT. In 2008, however, things started to unravel. It started when they took part in one of the most preposterous sights in recent years, when Stefano Garzelli and no fewer than four LA-MSS riders broke away from the péloton in the first stage of the Vuelta a Asturias, putting over a minute into the field. At the end of the 5-day race, LA-MSS had five riders in the top 11, including all three podium spots. Later that month, promising young rider Bruno Neves died when he had a heart attack and crashed during a race. Feeling that something might be up, the Portuguese police struck, and hit the jackpot, with the discovery of widespread team doping. Nine riders were suspended, the team doctor banned for ten years, and other sanctions were imposed. Some riders were hit harder than others - João Cabreira, as mentioned above, was somehow able to avoid the hit despite a huge red X on his back. The remaining riders were excluded from the Volta a Portugal and the team, forever linked with scandal, disappeared.

Or so we thought. Fercase-Rota dos Movéis were a somewhat less successful Portuguese team; never really being able to compete with the giants of LA-MSS, Liberty Seguros and Benfica. In 2009, Fercase were about to pull the sponsorship plug, when who should step in to save them but LA Aluminios? LA also brought with them some of their previous riders who'd been able to escape the hit, with Constantino Zaballa being the most recognisable name amongst them. At the end of 2009, however, the team decided that they would like to protect their reputation, with Iberian cycling teams falling left right and centre - some folding entirely, and others dropping to amateur status like Extremadura and, with their takeover of an amateur team, Liberty Seguros. As a result of this, all of the ex-Puerto/LA-MSS names had to go. They found spots, mind - Constantino Zaballa joined his old LA-MSS teammate João Cabreira at Loulé (taking the roster spot vacated by Eladio Jiménez's positive test perhaps?) for example. With all of that roster space left over, what were LA-Paredes Rota dos Movéis to do? Of course, they had to find riders - preferably fairly local and on the cheap with rides not going too easily - to fill them. And with Liberty Seguros Continental having folded, there were some riders who perfectly fit the bill right there!

So yea, Liberty Seguros and LA Aluminios. Hardiest, or foolhardiest, sponsors in cycling?

Thanks, that was really insightful.
 
Revival, because of this:

http://jornalciclismo.com/17494

Note, if you will, the list of teams entering the 2010 Volta a Portugal

UCI PROTOUR
Lampre-Farnese Vini

UCI PROFESSIONAL CONTINENTAL
Bbox-Bouygues Télécom
ISD-NERI
Saur-Sojasun
CarmioOro-NGC
Xacobeo-Galicia
Andalucía-CajaSur

UCI CONTINENTAL TOUR
Palmeiras Resort-Prio-Tavíra
Barbot-Siper
LA Aluminios-Paredes Rota dos Móveis
Centro Ciclismo de Loulé-Louletano-Orbitur-Aquashow
Madeinox-Boavista
Rabobank Continental
Caja Rural

NATIONAL TEAMS AMATEUR/U23
Selecção Nacional/Liberty Seguros

Both our favourite sponsors are represented at the race; the composition of the Liberty team is not yet known, but their persistence in sponsoring the sport has reached the point of sheer boneheaded joy. One presumes that, since they've been the most successful amateur team in Portugal this year, the majority of the riders will come from Liberty Seguros-Santamaria da Feira.

It's not cycling in the ever-dubious Portuguese scene without the most dubious guys of them all, right?
 
The reality is that if you get busted as an athlete, you deny it.

If you get busted as a sponsor,you pull the pin and pretend you didnt know.

If your the team mate/ DS etc,you just slag the rider to the media and then catch up for dinner later on.

Its all a big circus and those in the know, know how to play the game. Remember the world bank reports that over a 3rd of the world money is drug money being laundered thru various avenues. There are no stupid sponsors, riders, DS's, coaches, government sports institutes..as once you are at that level, you become a player too. Doesnt make someone 'evil' or whatever, its just how it is today in business. Pro sport is as cut throat as any business. The pressure for first place is incredible.
 

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