Look at me, I am a Vegan! Can I persuade you to become one too?

[lostintime]

#I will give you 1000$ via paypal if you can hold my wheel up a 5min climb, heck, just a 1minute climb lol!. Same goes for Anthony 'watts' Colpo.

I put my money where my mouth is...how about you boss.

Well, actually you don't put your money where your mouth is .... so the offer is worthless.

I recall another "offer" of yours ..... $10,000 if someone gets fat eating fruit . Hmmm... You owe some cash to some people big boy!

 

[analo69]

About every enviro - wacko and vegen site claims it.

Wacko sites? FAO claims it. The food and agriculture organization of the UN. That is the best source there is and is very trustworthy.

Livestocks long shadow, page 3, section 1.1.

ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/010/a0701e/A0701E01.pdf

I am a Danish agronomist. It is very trustworthy. In Denmark for instance about 66 % of all land is agricultural land and of that about 75 % is used for growing crops that are fed to livestock.

 

[Deagol]

...The economics behind deforestation has to include the value of the land as pasture after it has been cleared. If no-one ate meat it would have no residual value as pasture, it would be less attractive to log.
.....

I do not argue that eating meat does have some addition to habitat loss. But, logging will occur even if the land left afterwards can't be used as pasture. This has happened in the Pacific Northwest of the USA, among other places. Very sad.

There are a lot of environmental reasons to not eat meat, but most are precipitated by the huge population of human beings currently living on this planet. To state this another way, it's a lot easier for 50 million people to eat an omnivore diet (that includes some meat) than for 7 billion people to eat anything.

 

[STODRR]

Wacko sites? FAO claims it. The food and agriculture organization of the UN. That is the best source there is and is very trustworthy.

Livestocks long shadow, page 3, section 1.1.

ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/010/a0701e/A0701E01.pdf

I am a Danish agronomist. It is very trustworthy. In Denmark for instance about 66 % of all land is agricultural land and of that about 75 % is used for growing crops that are fed to livestock.

yes Wacko. You country is tiny 66% is smaller then most states. it is not a good comparison. and your link --- Livestock role in climate change you got to be kidding me

 

[durianrider]

Well, actually you don't put your money where your mouth is .... so the offer is worthless.

I recall another "offer" of yours ..... $10,000 if someone gets fat eating fruit . Hmmm... You owe some cash to some people big boy!

Where are these 'fat fruitarians' bro!

Fat from fruit or rice? Thats like Contador saying 'I have to cut back on training in the mountains...its just making me too fat for the mountains...'.

LMAO!

 

[durianrider]

Wacko sites? FAO claims it. The food and agriculture organization of the UN. That is the best source there is and is very trustworthy.

Livestocks long shadow, page 3, section 1.1.

ftp://ftp.fao.org/docrep/fao/010/a0701e/A0701E01.pdf

I am a Danish agronomist. It is very trustworthy. In Denmark for instance about 66 % of all land is agricultural land and of that about 75 % is used for growing crops that are fed to livestock.

I never knew they had Australian issues in Denmark. Heck, we are literally destroying the planet so we can get fat and sick on animal flesh.

Its not like we need it to survive lol!

 

[lostintime]

Where are these 'fat fruitarians' bro!



LMAO!

Hah .... how 'bout those that have gained 40-50 lbs. blindly following your way of eating ? You know who they are .... lol

Of course .. you can define "fat" in a whole lotta ways .... but ask anyone here on this forum to pack on 50 lbs. and ask them if they're "fat".

 

[krebs303]

Well, actually you don't put your money where your mouth is .... so the offer is worthless.

I recall another "offer" of yours ..... $10,000 if someone gets fat eating fruit . Hmmm... You owe some cash to some people big boy!

Yeah me for one. i was the first to answer.
it's simple math. which DR doesn't seem to understand

I believe his claim was for his 30 banana a day
Calories in a Medium banana
A banana that is between seven and eight inches in length is deemed to be a medium banana and there are 105 calories in these bananas.
30 x 105 = 3150 cal

What is the normal calorie intake for one day for an average size adult?
Answer
2000-2500
650-1150 excess calories a day
1.3-2.3 lb weight gain a week

it's not rocket science or magic

 

[Boeing]

Yeah me for one. i was the first to answer.
it's simple math. which DR doesn't seem to understand

I believe his claim was for his 30 banana a day
Calories in a Medium banana
A banana that is between seven and eight inches in length is deemed to be a medium banana and there are 105 calories in these bananas.
30 x 105 = 3150 cal

What is the normal calorie intake for one day for an average size adult?
Answer
2000-2500
650-1150 excess calories a day
1.3-2.3 lb weight gain a week

it's not rocket science or magic

its not rocket science that dude would probably be as lean and fit if he ate meat. I mean according to his annual mileage log clearly his calorie deficit is substantial regardless

 

[RDV4ROUBAIX]

Is it just me, or does this goat look like it's thinking 'get the hell away from me you overgrown d-bag.' ?

 

[lostintime]

oh man ... RDV4ROUBAIX .... your post brought something to light , I mean that creepy look on that guys face. It's like he's saying "this little buddies not to eat .... he's gonna be my be-atch tonight"

I hope CN doesn't mind a bit of dark humor but this whole thread is sublime in itself

 

[daveinzambia]

its not rocket science that dude would probably be as lean and fit if he ate meat. I mean according to his annual mileage log clearly his calorie deficit is substantial regardless

that's the slight issue i have with his declarations. i mean the guy did 1100 km's in a week recently. That's got to be what 30-40000 calories.

I agree when his point is, look i can ride 1100 kms in a week without eating meat so you do not need meat to be an athlete. Do not like it when he implies that all meat eaters are fat b@stards.

Do not believe he level of fitness and weight has anything to do with his diet and has everything to do with his slightly obsessive and intense personality. that is what allows him to train so hard and that is why he spends so much time talking about being vegan.

obviously Durian is a good bike rider and good on him for trying to educate some on his lifestyle and encourage people to be healthier, just cannot help but think it would be better if he learned to dilute the intensity sometimes.

Have to say i enjoyed his latest video.

 

[flyor64]

that's the slight issue i have with his declarations. i mean the guy did 1100 km's in a week recently. That's got to be what 30-40000 calories.

I agree when his point is, look i can ride 1100 kms in a week without eating meat so you do not need meat to be an athlete. Do not like it when he implies that all meat eaters are fat b@stards.

Do not believe he level of fitness and weight has anything to do with his diet and has everything to do with his slightly obsessive and intense personality. that is what allows him to train so hard and that is why he spends so much time talking about being vegan.

obviously Durian is a good bike rider and good on him for trying to educate some on his lifestyle and encourage people to be healthier, just cannot help but think it would be better if he learned to dilute the intensity sometimes.

Have to say i enjoyed his latest video.

Your are the newest on a long list of folks who have echoed almost verbatim your post in the past couple of years.

Sadly, do not expect a response....

Or you might get lucky and DR will reply/quote your post and then absolutely ignore your points and post some more "all carnivores (omnivores) are fat and evil" stuff...my favorite is the pic of the dude barbequeing with his shirt off and is at least 80 kg overweight. Since when was that topical on a cycling site?

Yes, many have tried to have a reasonable conversation in this thread about veganism vs. vegetarianism vs. paleo vs. us "evil" omnivores...err sorry, carnivores. But to no end.

What's really bothersome for me is that there are more vegans on this site than just Durian, that have offered thoughtful posts and one can have a conversation with them. But even they get overshadowed here too.

 

[craig1985]

that's the slight issue i have with his declarations. i mean the guy did 1100 km's in a week recently. That's got to be what 30-40000 calories.

I agree when his point is, look i can ride 1100 kms in a week without eating meat so you do not need meat to be an athlete. Do not like it when he implies that all meat eaters are fat b@stards.

Do not believe he level of fitness and weight has anything to do with his diet and has everything to do with his slightly obsessive and intense personality. that is what allows him to train so hard and that is why he spends so much time talking about being vegan.

obviously Durian is a good bike rider and good on him for trying to educate some on his lifestyle and encourage people to be healthier, just cannot help but think it would be better if he learned to dilute the intensity sometimes.

Have to say i enjoyed his latest video.

Even a meat eating hack like me has raced with Jono Cantwell of Saxo Bank, but I thought I had to be vegan to be able to do so?

 

[Ulle Relaxes]

Durianrider is a self-fulfilling node of social media. We all know this. But he is entertaining and genuine.

 

[Polyarmour]

Source?

Deserts aren't usable. Antartica isn't. Much of the land in North American from Alaska northwards.

Do you count animals grazing also? How is grazing (say in the western US) exclusive to raising animals for food?.

What about corn used for ethanol where the silage and waste is fed to animals? Is that exclusively for animal production?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_vegetarianism


There you go, Knock yourself out.

 

[lostintime]

Durianrider is a self-fulfilling node of social media. We all know this. But he is entertaining and genuine.

genuine what ? I see a jeckyll and hide thing with him. People say in person he's so nice. .. yet online he can be anything but. I say the latter is more him ... because in person people can show their best face and fool anyone. Online there are no constraints ... no one is there in person to confront or challenge you.... you can deflect or neglect any comment you like. You can be anyone you wish ... be as rude or polite as it suits your fancy.... but what comes out of your mouth... reflects what you think of yourself.... it doesn't lie.

Myself, I think he hides behind all the banter... all the anorexia and obesity he's obsessed with... and yes .... if you make more than a few references to them like he has .... it's an obsession. He's hiding from himself.... well ... join the club of humanity .

He's a modern day troll looking for attention.... and we're happy to oblige to a point. . . but be very careful what you ask for Harley .... muhahahahahahaha

sometimes you get a box of chocolates .... sometimes the box has a dog turd in it.

 

[Ulle Relaxes]

I meant genuine in his opinions not his attitude. I do know what you're talking about since I've watched a couple of his videos where he'll begin, ' I'm sure Person A is a very nice person...' and then begin to demolish them.

 

[lostintime]

Yes ... it's like a total dis-connect Ulle .

"I love you so much I gonna tear you a new one... but it's really for your own good "

uh .. okay ... for who's good.... for whose ego boost ?

 

[Ulle Relaxes]

He's a verbal vegan terrorist.

 

[durianrider]

Looks like we are covering some ground here cos we all agree on:

# Animal product industries have the most negative impact on our health and the environment of any other food industry.

# You dont need to eat animal products to be super fit or super strong. You wont die from 'protein deficiency' (something that doesnt even exist on its own)

# Durianrider is so successful on youtube cos he is a self righteous **** that blows his trumpet daily. Even to people that cant speak english.

 

[durianrider]

I meant genuine in his opinions not his attitude. I do know what you're talking about since I've watched a couple of his videos where he'll begin, ' I'm sure Person A is a very nice person...' and then begin to demolish them.

Well its true. Just cos xyz person does drugs or something or is overweight doesnt make em a bad person does it? Yeah its a bad choice but IMHO doesnt make em bad people.

People do the best with the information they have. Lots of people dont believe anything but the status quo dogma. How can I say they are bad people when they dont even know better?

 

[elapid]

Looks like we are covering some ground here cos we all agree on:

# Animal product industries have the most negative impact on our health and the environment of any other food industry.

Are you dreaming again?

I don't think any of us have agreed that animal product industries have the "most" negative impact on the environment and our health. It has an impact on the environment, but not the "most" impact. And I don't think anyone has agreed with you in regard to the impact that animal products have on our health.

# You dont need to eat animal products to be super fit or super strong. You wont die from 'protein deficiency' (something that doesnt even exist on its own)

This I will call you on. Protein deficiency is a very real condition and plays a part in a disease called kwashiorkor. Symptoms of kwashiorkor include apathy, diarrhea, inactivity, failure to grow, flaky skin, fatty liver, and edema of the belly and legs. In 1979, protein-energy malnutrition was estimated to affect 500 million people and kill 10 million annually. That's right: protein deficiency was responsible for KILLING 10 million people annually in 1979. What do you think that figure may be now, over 30 years down the track especially with the famine in the Horn of Africa?

# Durianrider is so successful on youtube cos he is a self righteous **** that blows his trumpet daily. Even to people that cant speak english.

OK, I think most of us agree with you on this one!

 

[lostintime]

well, in fairness elapid , people labeled as suffering from kwashiorkor are not lacking in just protein.

now we all can show this study and that study to back up our pov .... but the bottom line is people are not dying and suffering from the lack of one nutrient alone.

 

[elapid]

well, in fairness elapid , people labeled as suffering from kwashiorkor are not lacking in just protein.

now we all can show this study and that study to back up our pov .... but the bottom line is people are not dying and suffering from the lack of one nutrient alone.

Kwashiorkor is a malnutrition caused by protein deficiency and is defined as a protein-calorie malnutrition. Kwashiorkor is corrected by supplementing protein and calories. Yes, other nutrients are involved because this is a generalized malnutrition occurring typically in regions affected by famine. Regardless this malnutrition is defined by protein deficiency and the symptoms and death are caused by the effects of that protein deficiency, not deficiencies in other nutrients.