AussieGoddess said:
Yep! I was interviewed for TV some years ago. By the time they'd finished editing the `interview' it bore no relationship to what I'd actually said!
Yep! I was interviewed for TV some years ago. By the time they'd finished editing the `interview' it bore no relationship to what I'd actually said!
Catwhoorg said:
I'm surprised the article is actually readable, the Guardian has long been known as the Gruniad due to its numerous spelling mistakes.
personal said:
Do you think either the commisaires or the UCI are ever likely to admit they made a mistake (they did if in innocence, if it was deliberate well....)?
Don't you think this actually suited the professional peloton, well and truly demoralised as they were/are by the fact that Cav is virtually unstoppable in this kind of finish (barring accidents!)?
There is no shadow of a doubt that Cavendish was knocked down, and had they just leant on each other they may well have come through unscathed. The commissaires made the decison quickly and without viewing it from all angles and closely enough, because, with the benefit of hindsight, and twenty twenty (or corrected) vision it is clear as day on the recorded footage that Haussler took Cavendish down with his shoulder barge.
I actually emailed both the Tour of Romandy organisation at the time and the UCi because I felt the decsion was outrageous. I didn't even get the courtesy of a reply. That itself makes me suspicious - if they'd said we'll take another look at it fair enough, but nothing. That only makes me believe it was a 'fait accompli' and that everyone outside of HTC got what they wanted.
Ciolek, Haussler and Cavendish were all to blame in this incident - it was not fair to pin the blame soley on Cavendish .
Just sos you know there is no BS here, below is a copy of my email to the UCI which didn't even get the courtesy of an auto reply;
Dear Sir/Madam
I am writing because I belive a mistake has been made with the apportioning of blame for the stage four crash at the Tour De Suisse. It is quite a common feature of sprints for riders to interlock elbows or lean on each other, a good example being the Champs Elysees finish at the 2003 Tour de France (at 3.41 in the link below).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOFufn5e5C4&feature=related
At this level of riding it is common for the head of the sprint to move across the road, that does not mean that Canvendish is free of blame. It is absolutely clear that there was a degree of convergence from the left side of the road too (Haussler) - and that Haussler quite clearly causes the actual moment Cavendish loses balance by making an exaggerated movement of his head and shoulder (out of synch with the regular movement of the bars), knocking Cavendish off balance and under Hausslers wheel;
http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube/?title=tds-2010-st4-crash-finish&id=A7CBWUmW0Yw&w=640
If Haussler had merely not conceded ground, rather than making the barging motion, I believe they had every chance of staying upright. I do not think the precise cause has been pinpointed by the commissaires, and that by blaming Cavendish only for this incident an injustice has been done. I think the 150 riders that protested against Cavendish should be made to sit down and watch the incident in slow motion from above (Eurosport coverage), and the front, so it can be clearly seen that Haussler knocked Cavendish. That is worse than merely gradually moving from one side to the other. In the sprints a certain degree of co-operation should exist. If they'd stayed upright and Haussler lost (had he not barged Cavendish) then he could have appealed the result.
I hope you will review this incident and make it clear that Cavendish was not entirely to blame, that a crash was not necessaraily an inevitable result of the way he was riding. Haussler was equally, if not more so at fault.
I thank you for your time.
Kind Regards
Dear Sir/Madam
I am writing because I belive a mistake has been made with the apportioning of blame for the stage four crash at the Tour De Suisse. It is quite a common feature of sprints for riders to interlock elbows or lean on each other, a good example being the Champs Elysees finish at the 2003 Tour de France (at 3.41 in the link below).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOFufn5e5C4&feature=related
At this level of riding it is common for the head of the sprint to move across the road, that does not mean that Canvendish is free of blame. It is absolutely clear that there was a degree of convergence from the left side of the road too (Haussler) - and that Haussler quite clearly causes the actual moment Cavendish loses balance by making an exaggerated movement of his head and shoulder (out of synch with the regular movement of the bars), knocking Cavendish off balance and under Hausslers wheel;
http://www.steephill.tv/players/youtube/?title=tds-2010-st4-crash-finish&id=A7CBWUmW0Yw&w=640
If Haussler had merely not conceded ground, rather than making the barging motion, I believe they had every chance of staying upright. I do not think the precise cause has been pinpointed by the commissaires, and that by blaming Cavendish only for this incident an injustice has been done. I think the 150 riders that protested against Cavendish should be made to sit down and watch the incident in slow motion from above (Eurosport coverage), and the front, so it can be clearly seen that Haussler knocked Cavendish. That is worse than merely gradually moving from one side to the other. In the sprints a certain degree of co-operation should exist. If they'd stayed upright and Haussler lost (had he not barged Cavendish) then he could have appealed the result.
I hope you will review this incident and make it clear that Cavendish was not entirely to blame, that a crash was not necessaraily an inevitable result of the way he was riding. Haussler was equally, if not more so at fault.
I thank you for your time.
Kind Regards
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So what SHOULD Haussler have done?
Jeez, it's like watching Formula 1 in 2008. Everything's a conspiracy against everybody.
Cavendish was at fault, his crab-sprint was the CAUSE. The crash was the EFFECT. Haussler's poor split-second decision-making was a CATALYST. The UCI are INCOMPETENT.
Jeez, it's like watching Formula 1 in 2008. Everything's a conspiracy against everybody.
Cavendish was at fault, his crab-sprint was the CAUSE. The crash was the EFFECT. Haussler's poor split-second decision-making was a CATALYST. The UCI are INCOMPETENT.
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hmsgenoa said:
No wonder you didn't get a reply from the Tour de Romandie organisers. The crash happened at the Tour de Suisse. The Tour de Romandie is run by Chassot Concept SA, the Tour de Suisse by IMG (Schweiz) AG. As far as I can tell, the only person who features in the administration of both is Steve Bovay, who does Radio Tour for the Tour de Suisse. The Romandie guys probably thought you were just messing them around.
Libertine Seguros said:
That was a mistake, I meant Tour de Suisse. Look I'm not a smart Alec who doesn't know what I'm talking about but most of you just keep missing the point. This was sent to the UCI. The Romandie guys didn't think I was messing them around they didn't get sent this. I recall correctly now that I sent a message via the Tour De Suisse website (they didn't list an admin email address).
All of your comments are completely beside the point just picking at the bones to try and make a coherent argument - and yet, and yet, you actually only agree to disagree with me on one thing; you think they would have crashed anyway - I happen to think they'd have stayed up had Haussler not knocked Cavendish, its plain to see in the video evidence. You say Haussler is partially to blame and thats correct it means Cav isn't entirely to blame - and yet they pinned it all on him. It was a farce. That is what I take issue with.
therhodeo said:
As far as I'm concerned your web jargon means nothing to me. I'm neither a troll or insane.
At the time I felt strongly enough at the injustice that Mark Cavendish was unfairly treated to write to both the race organiser (it was Tour de Suisse I hold my hands up that was an error in that particular post) and the UCI.
How many of the many faux cycling afficionados on here are bothered enough to actually email the UCI when they see something wrong in the world of cycle sport? No, they'd rather come on here and spout their opinion where it cannot actually change anything.
A couple of months ago I emailed ASO because I could see the probable route of the first time trial stage of this years Tour de France had lots of level crossings on it (From Arc et Senans to Besancon). I was concerned that because of the number of them they would be difficult to police and the result could be skewed if a train did cross one of the many during the stage.
Funnily enough I didn't get a reply on that one either - despite using genuine contacts from their website. But guess what? Barely two or three weeks later they announce that they have already made amendments to the stage.
Can I ask you how many Tours De France have you been to spectate at and how many other professional races have you attended?
Come to that at what level have you ridden a bike and what if anything have you ever won in the way of a bike race? How many sprint finishes have you contested. What year did you start riding a bike seriously and how many years have you been riding? What do you know? It doesn’t really matter because anyone can talk a load of old baloney on here, I’m not though and I’ll back it up.
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hmsgenoa said:
It wasn't a farce, Cavendish swerved across the road into Haussler, moved more than Haussler and made a crash inevitable, bar Haussler braking. Then Haussler braced himself for impact before being taken out. Haussler is not blame less, but Cav is far more at fault.
Also because of 'mainly' Cav's actions Haussler was injured and his season ruined. That should certainly be taken into account.
mb2612 said:
It's claptrap that Haussler had his season ruined by Cav, had he merely braced himself or leant then he may well have stayed upright (as already covered this was not 'bracing' this was a shoulder barge - for crying out loud watch it again!).
If you want to see what bracing looks like watch the final stage finish on the 2003 TDF.
If you accept that Cav was at least in part at fault for the crash, which even you must, and that Haussler's season was ruined by the injury, also clear, then you must accept that Cav must take some of the blame for the fact that Haussler's season is ruined.hmsgenoa said:
Anyway I've watched the video again:
a) it's not a shoulder barge
b) Cav goes down like he's been shoved because Haussler rides over his wheel, not because he has actually been shoved hard enough to push him over.
c) Haussler rides over Cav's wheel because Cav has cut in front of him
d) Cav is therefore almost entirely at fault.
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Can we talk about something else? This whole crash discussion is lame. I regret ever having brought it up.
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Ryo Hazuki said:oh you were taught to hate hitler? great history lessons
it's a lot easier to hate someone you never met then it is someone you know personally. unless that guy you know is a real *******, but not that many people are that
Erm. German soldiers hated British soldiers and vice versa. Hitler hated Jews and vice versa(expect those rich Jews that wrote a petition aimed towards president Hindenburg to make Hitler Kanzler of the Weimar Republik. They rather had Hitler in power than the communists. Go figure.). Wasn't really that hard to understand...
hmsgenoa said:
Good, you no longer have an argument, you're just claiming Cav is man enough to crash into people.
I'm done.
El Pistolero said:
I think it's you whose naiive if you think the commissaires decision wasn't influenced by a pro peloton desperate to stop Cavendish from wiping the floor with them.
Just because the Ciolek switch did not bring them down it was far worse than Cavendish's gradual move across - it was only superb bike handling on Cav's part that kept him upright then.
As far as regretting bringing it up I'm glad you did - gave me another chance to try and put the record staright, because it does need putting straight. You are as bent as the commissaires.
I'm coming to the conclusion that I'm dealing with a bunch of twits (Apart from Carut & Richtea) that have limited racing experience themselves.
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hmsgenoa said:
Everybody who disagrees with me needs to be attacked ad hominem! The people that agree with me are the only ones that aren't idiots! This really is like talking about F1 in 2007-2008.
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