Teams & Riders Mark Cavendish Discussion Thread

[Zam_Olyas]

Cav the ballroom dancer

 

[Frosty]

There something wrong with ballroom dancing?

 

[jamiephillips]

Cheers Jamie, See you on the Col du Grand Colombier? As much as I appreciate Cav, I'm hoping Sky will give Bradley the help he needs - got to be his best chance yet for Yellow, besides Cav will need some encouragement in the mountains! As far as the nonsense on this thread goes it reminds me of Dad's Army - 'They don't like it up 'em Captain Mannering!'

It's an exciting year again for British cycling! We haven't had many world champions so both of the ones we have had are cherished whatever their failings! If Wiggins gets the podium in the Tour then that will be just brilliant!

Edit I bet Cav was the fastest ballroom dancer on the planet!

 

[Zam_Olyas]

There something wrong with ballroom dancing?

WHy do you ask?

 

[Frosty]

WHy do you ask?

Why do u think its funny?

 

[hatcher]

Someone was a ballroom dancer.

 

[cycladianpirate]

WHy do you ask?

Caligula would have loved it.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Why do u think its funny?

I don't think ballroom dancing is funny it was more to with the old pics of cavendish.....can i not laugh at anything?. are you going to take offense at everything?. Do you and hatcher want me to take down the pic?


ALL HAIL CAVENDISH THE GREAT.

 

[jamiephillips]

Caligula would have loved it.

Caligula would have blushed.

 

[BroDeal]

Let's get this party started.

Is he..... its all up to interpretation, this may sound all saucy but I dont think that any sportsman/ celebrity should be attacked unless they have explicitly shown disgusting traits, for Cav that is certainly not the case...

You mean aside from spitting on competitors, flipping off the crowd, refusing to meet his parents when they traveled to France to see him race, and the smarmy but blatantly insincere way he publicly thanks his teammates? He is a punk and has always been one. That is more than enough reason to hate on him.

'No one likes a winner' is how most of this thread comes across. Most of the negative comments about Cav come from Americans who cannot bear to watch nearly man Tyler Farrar come 2nd again. Cavendish is a phenomenon, and one that needs to be appreciated.

Sorry to throw a wrench--I mean a spanner--in your kooky conspiracy theories, which sound like they either come from bigotry or a sense of national inadequacy, but Farrar is not exactly a popular enough rider in America for people to care who beats him. Cavend0uche achieved his dislike the old fashioned way. He earned it with years of being a jerk.

 

[hrotha]

I dont think that any sportsman/ celebrity should be attacked unless they have explicitly shown disgusting traits

 

[Richeypen]

There something wrong with ballroom dancing?

Depends on whos asking

 

[hatcher]

Let's get this party started.

You mean aside from spitting on competitors, flipping off the crowd, refusing to meet his parents when they traveled to France to see him race, and the smarmy but blatantly insincere way he publicly thanks his teammates? He is a punk and has always been one. That is more than enough reason to hate on him.
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ahahaahaah you were really struggling there. Refused to meet his parents? Well I sure hope they grounded him.

Evidence for spitting please. I know you have proof.

 

[Frosty]

I don't think ballroom dancing is funny it was more to with the old pics of cavendish.....can i not laugh at anything?. are you going to take offense at everything?. Do you and hatcher want me to take down the pic?

Just wondering what you find funny about it thats all

ALL HAIL CAVENDISH THE GREAT.

Now that is offensive!!!

 

[Frosty]

Come on, bet the others would like to do that to the press too.

 

[cycladianpirate]

That I do not object to.

Fine old English tradition - showing the French that they haven't captured you and cut off your bow-drawing fingers. Much used at Agincourt I believe.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Lets get one thing straight, since the Tour de Suisse crash with Haussler has been brought up; If Haussler hadn't barged him with his shoulder they'd have stayed upright, and Haussler deviated as much from the left hand side of the road as Cav did from the right. Anyone doubting this should check out Eurosports coverage from above, it can clearly be seen that Cav loses his balance the moment Hassler barges him.

How many times have we seen a sprint finish where riders are leaning on each other but stay up because they are being professional (Champs Elysees finish in 2003 anyone). As long as you don't get a berk like Haussler deliberately barging, nobody loses their balance and tumbles. As far as any spitting incident goes its all conjecture and my guess is Cav spat on the ground; so much BS flying around.

That crash was Haussler's fault?

Yea, and Renshaw didn't headbutt Dean or put Farrar in the barriers, and Daryl Impey's aggressive line and leaning gave Theo Bos no choice but to wrestle him to the ground.

Haussler did wrong at the start of the sprint when his pulling out nearly put Ciolek in the barriers, but where they went down? That's Cav. Haussler isn't blameless, but Cavendish was quite clearly deviating from his line, and not just a bit of lateral movement either. At that point he was way out of form, and it wasn't coming naturally. Normally, it wouldn't matter if he was moving since he's so far ahead of everybody else. But in that kind of form, it is a problem. No intent, no malice, just a mistake. Everybody makes them, even the best. In your opinion, what's Haussler meant to do, just yield and let Cavendish through? Wouldn't you rather him set up a red carpet so that Cav can win his daily procession in luxury too?

The guy has been harshly treated in the past - the poor course design resulting in the penalty in the Tour de France, for example - and people will knock him whatever he does sometimes, but sometimes when it looks like he does a stupid thing, it's not because people are looking for ways to blame him, it's because he did a stupid thing.

 

[Froome19]

And let me repeat it for you and all those other Cav's fans. He is a one-trick-fat-pony

Yeh maybe he is a none trick pony,SO WHAT and he let me repeat he isnt fat

He could've said, say, "guys, I'm feeling so ****ty that I'm actually going to be the first guy in the entire ****ing race to get dropped 100 meters into the first climb of the day..."

Yeh he couldve but that isnt the mentality of a winner and no true winner would do that.

Let me tell you what really happened.

Cav gets dropped on La Manie.
He's the team leader, previous winner, and in good form, so his DS screams at everyone but EBH, the other protected rider, and Eddie's helper, to get back and help Cav out.
Everybody gets back to help Cav, under the DS's orders.
Cav works like mad to get up La Manie and down the descent without losing too much.
Cav's helpers work like dogs on the flat to get them back to the main bunch.
Cav's helpers keep working like dogs and, at one point, it looks like they might do it.
Cav's helpers keep working, even when it becomes obvious they aren't going to do it.
Cav's helpers, absolutely exhausted, realise they can't do it, and sit up.
Cav apologises and thanks them for an incredible effort.

Other than not getting his a*** up La Manie, what else should Cav have done differently?

Also they kept going afterwards not for Cav but to try and get up and help EBH according to Eisel.

Let's get this party started.
You mean aside from spitting on competitors, flipping off the crowd, refusing to meet his parents when they traveled to France to see him race, and the smarmy but blatantly insincere way he publicly thanks his teammates? He is a punk and has always been one. That is more than enough reason to hate on him.
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If you want to insult the guy then by all means do this is his depreciation thread after all but to attack the way he thanks his team mates youve gotta be joking?
He is the most convincing praiser of his teamates in the modern peloton just read one of the numerous artilces on it and you will realise you error.
Also your other examples are just plain useless and are very untenable.

As i have said before he gets caught up in the adrenalyn of the sprint and cant really control himself but he always apologises afterwards if he has done something wrong and its up to you if you want to dislike him for that.

 

[Froome19]

The guy has been harshly treated in the past - the poor course design resulting in the penalty in the Tour de France, for example - and people will knock him whatever he does sometimes, but sometimes when it looks like he does a stupid thing, it's not because people are looking for ways to blame him, it's because he did a stupid thing.

Thats the whole point he does do stupid things but does that truly justfy such hatred?
Everybody does stupid things and even if he does it more than others i would not say that that is something which can determine Cavendish's personality and morality.

 

[ophene]

'No one likes a winner' is how most of this thread comes across. Most of the negative comments about Cav come from Americans who cannot bear to watch nearly man Tyler Farrar come 2nd again. Cavendish is a phenomenon, and one that needs to be appreciated.

I didn't love Cav initially, as I find his style of racing quite boring, but found his extreme sprinting abilities fascinating.

My "hatred" towards Cavendish stems from the comments he made about his teammate Greipel in 2010. I kind of like uber confident racers, but telling the press that "There's no chance he's coming to a bike race that I'm in. Me on bad form is still better than him.", is to me inexcusable. And as long as he keep reacting to every loss the way he does I don't see him winning me over any time soon.

Crossing my fingers that the birth of his first child will make him mature a bit...

 

[BroDeal]

ahahaahaah you were really struggling there. Refused to meet his parents?

Obviously, treating parents like crap does not bother someone like you, but there are still people in the world who feel that if your parents took the trouble to travel to a foreign country to see you then you could make an effort to meet them instead of hiding in your hotel and pouting about how they did not come before.

Evidence for spitting please. I know you have proof.

Sorry, but I'll take the opinion of Haussler over the defensive whinging of the internet Cav butt lickers who cannot reconcile their idol worship with reality.

 

[Eric8-A]

I didn't love Cav initially, as I find his style of racing quite boring, but found his extreme sprinting abilities fascinating.

My "hatred" towards Cavendish stems from the comments he made about Greipel in 2010. I kind of like uber confident racers, but telling the press that "There's no chance he's coming to a bike race that I'm in. Me on bad form is still better than him.", is to me inexcusable. And as long as he keep reacting to every loss the way he does I don't see him winning me over any time soon.

Crossing my fingers that the birth of his first child will make him mature a bit...

Indeed. I liked the guy when I first got into the sport. But when I actually heard the comments he made and his over-confidence, it changed my view on him.

 

[Froome19]

Obviously, treating your own parents like crap does not bother someone like you, but there are still people in the world who feel that if your parents took the trouble to travel to a foreign country to see you then you could make an effort to meet them instead of hiding in your hotel and pouting about how they did not come before.
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Dont pretend you havent had arguments with your parents, because everyone has some, mostly for some minute matters which are totally irrelevant

Sorry, but I'll take the opinion of Haussler over the defensive whinging of the internet Cav butt lickers who cannot reconcile their idol worship with reality.

Thats where you are wrong in the first place you cant look at situation without hatred to Cav so what ever he does is irrelevant anyway

 

[BroDeal]

If you want to insult the guy then by all means do this is his depreciation thread after all but to attack the way he thanks his team mates youve gotta be joking?
He is the most convincing praiser of his teamates in the modern peloton just read one of the numerous artilces on it and you will realise you error.

It's all a phony public relations campaign. It is his way of deflecting criticism and improving his image. I don't buy it for one second. As I said, it comes off as smarmy and insincere. Even as he was thanking his team, this a-hole who stabbing his teammate Griepel in the back.

 

[hatcher]

Obviously, treating your own parents like crap does not bother someone like you, but there are still people in the world who feel that if your parents took the trouble to travel to a foreign country to see you then you could make an effort to meet them instead of hiding in your hotel and pouting about how they did not come before.

Sorry, but I'll take the opinion of Haussler over the defensive whinging of the internet Cav butt lickers who cannot reconcile their idol worship with reality.

Weak. Very, very weak.

How he gets on with his parents is absolutely none of my business.

Someone saying something and, despite an overwhelming lack of evidence, it immediately becoming fact, is best saved for that other forum.

The party you started was a damp squib.