Matt White stands down from all positions

[Dear Wiggo]

ok, so White's thrown under the bus, now what about Neil Stephens?

Vitamin injections only, mate. She'll be right.

Nicki will sort them out...

 

[Ferminal]

Stephens has to stay, will be new team manager. White was gone anyway.

 

[42x16ss]

Vitamin injections only, mate. She'll be right.

Nicki will sort them out...

Of course

The "Best domestique in the world", riding for one of the dirtiest teams ever was only on "vitamin injections".

Carpets, brooms and minimal collateral damage are words coming very quickly to mind here.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The manifesto the 5 newspapers are organising has a timelimit of early 2013.

Not sure if there's any indication from OGE if they are commiting to a timeline for actions and outcomes, but I remain interested in seeing the effects of both initiatives.

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

Stephens has to stay, will be new team manager. White was gone anyway.

To keep Stephens and sack White is a joke. Either sack them both or keep them both. OGRE are a disgrace.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Vitamin injections only, mate. She'll be right.

Nicki will sort them out...

It was reported at the time that Ray Godkin (then president of CA) accepted Stephens claim he was given vitamin tablets. Which of course doesn't quite add up.

 

[Ferminal]

To keep Stephens and sack White is a joke. Either sack them both or keep them both. OGRE are a disgrace.

Sacking either for something the management already knew they did when they hired them is a disgrace.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Sacking either for something the management already knew they did when they hired them is a disgrace.

Now who does this look like... hmmmmm it looks so familiar... this pattern, which I am sure is just a random coincidence like all the other patterns I see with my tinfoil hat on....

 

[Mad Elephant Man]

Sacking either for something the management already knew they did when they hired them is a disgrace.

I am not necessarily for the sacking of White and Stephens but to sack only one of them is totally inconsistent. You either sack everyone who doped or you forgive them and let them be what JV claims to be. OGRE are a disgrace, if this is what we get from an Australian team then I would rather there not be one.

 

[blackcat]

I hope Gerry Ryan pays him a rich severance. I am against scapegoating and Matt White holding the burden for cycling.

cycling is cycling. Matt White is not the problem. Why is he paying the price? This is just as egregious as anything gone before also. Two wrongs...

 

[sittingbison]

All the more reason to have a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Get it all out in the open, no penalties, the past is the past. From that moment on though, zero tolerance and life ban from every aspect of cycling.

 

[blackcat]

I am not necessarily for the sacking of White and Stephens but to sack only one of them is totally inconsistent. You either sack everyone who doped or you forgive them and let them be what JV claims to be. OGRE are a disgrace, if this is what we get from an Australian team then I would rather there not be one.

if GreenEdge a only sacking, and everything stays the same, and Stephens and White are told to seek employment in the open market, I agree wholeheartedly with this post. As if they could join the employment queue in Ibera <eyes roll>

but I HAVE TO THINK that what they are saying publically, is not the entire policy, that Stephens and White will not be holding the can, and made to pay the price for all of cycling. please Bannan and Ryan. They know how it is played, so it would be hypocritical in extremis,

so I think they will be taken care of, or allowed to have a slow return after penance. A public punishment in the stocks. Unedifying, but perhaps is demanded by the current media environment, and the Tan and Tomalaris crowd who cheerleaded.

Bring back Henk Vogels. Only person I heard speaking the truth about Armstrong, a month ahead of the story shifting. In my eyes, thus, deserves a gig. truth

 

[JimmyFingers]

All the more reason to have a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Get it all out in the open, no penalties, the past is the past. From that moment on though, zero tolerance and life ban from every aspect of cycling.

I don't agree. Why should past dopers get to admit to cheating and have no censure whatsoever. They earnt a living from racing juiced up, the wages they were paid, the prize money they won, the endorsements they had and never suffered any punishment, I see no reason why they should not now.

But it seems the Aussies want to go easy on their own

 

[sittingbison]

thats xenophobic cr@p jimmy and you know it, shame on you. You have in a single post completely destroyed your credibility.

Its the price that must be paid. Same as giving a reduced sentence for co-operating. It stinks but so be it. Cycling MUST expose its rotten heart. Get it all out in the open. The only way to do that is draw a line in the sand and start again from scratch. So fess up.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

Its the same old story. The riders and ex riders pay for the system that's broken.

Some riders pay in advance, by riding clean, missing out on life experiences and income. Others pay in arrears, losing their cycling jobs long after their career path has become inextricably intertwined with cycling.

Meh, totally puts me off following cycling.

 

[peterst6906]

But it seems the Aussies want to go easy on their own

Show me another country going at their doping past any harder than the US or Oz at the moment.

Belgians: nope
Dutch: nope
Spanish: nope
French: nope
British: nope
Italians: possibly, but a lot of investigations in Italy go nowhere
Any others:not that I have seen evidence of.

Aus currently going easy - what a joke.

 

[msjett]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/more-s...16-olympic-games/story-fndukor0-1226508932169

Tough new selection guidelines for Australian athletes at the 2016 Olympic Games.

The move comes amid the bombshell fallout from the Lance Armstrong doping scandal."What I don't want is for the AOC to have egg on its face like cycling has," Coates said.

 

[Tinman]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/more-s...16-olympic-games/story-fndukor0-1226508932169

Tough new selection guidelines for Australian athletes at the 2016 Olympic Games.

It's called leadership.

 

[blackcat]

Show me another country going at their doping past any harder than the US or Oz at the moment.

Belgians: nope
Dutch: nope
Spanish: nope
French: nope
British: nope
Italians: possibly, but a lot of investigations in Italy go nowhere
Any others:not that I have seen evidence of.

Aus currently going easy - what a joke.

parhaps

just perhaps, UK, AUS, and USA have had the most successful past decade and a half, won all the silverware, and they need to clean house

 

[Tinman]

Show me another country going at their doping past any harder than the US or Oz at the moment.

Belgians: nope
Dutch: nope
Spanish: nope
French: nope
British: nope
Italians: possibly, but a lot of investigations in Italy go nowhere
Any others:not that I have seen evidence of.

Aus currently going easy - what a joke.

I think it's a cultural difference. Decades of European socialism have created apathetic & dependent populations and cycling/sports fans. Many of them see cheating the system (read: not getting caught) as a normal and clever way to behave as individuals. It actually becomes the sport per se. It goes from tax evasion to maximizing welfare system exploitation to tolerating sports heroes to cheating to stay within the rules. Don't get caught, good on you, no positive=clean. And whistleblowers are merely sour grapes.

Look at the economic mess they are in. And the blaming of the system for it. and the lack of personal interest to contribute to fixing it. Interesting the Germans have long pulled out of cycling. And are almost saving the EU by themselves also....

 

[peterst6906]

I think it's a cultural difference. Decades of European socialism have created apathetic & dependent populations and cycling/sports fans. Many of them see cheating the system (read: not getting caught) as a normal and clever way to behave as individuals. It actually becomes the sport per se. It goes from tax evasion to maximizing welfare system exploitation to tolerating sports heroes to cheat to stay within the rules. Don't get caught, good on you, no positive=clean. And whistleblowers are merely sour grapes.

Look at the economic mess they are in. And the blaming of the system for it. and the lack of personal interest to contribute to fixing it. Interesting the Germans have long pulled out of cycling. And are almost saving the EU by themselves also....

That's too cynical and not realistic for most of Europe, at least not the northern countries.

However, Europe isn't the issue.

The claim was that Australia is just looking to go easy on dopers - that is still a load of rubbish by current evidence.

You could compare the attitude and actions in Australia to any other continent and the only other country doing as much is the USA.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Show me another country going at their doping past any harder than the US or Oz at the moment.

Belgians: nope
Dutch: nope
Spanish: nope
French: nope
British: nope
Italians: possibly, but a lot of investigations in Italy go nowhere
Any others:not that I have seen evidence of.

Aus currently going easy - what a joke.

I meant posters here on the forum, the same posters that are frothing at the mouth on the Sky threads are in here and the Cadel thread defending their boys from the same sort of smears they throw at Wiggins. All this sympathy for an ex-doper who lost his job, what a surprise.

The rot looks deep at Aussie cycling when an ex-doper who got fired from Garmin for sending a rider to a dodgy doctor is heavily involved with both the national set-up and OGE, which throws up huge questions over how clean that team has been riding

 

[Tinman]

The claim was that Australia is just looking to go easy on dopers - that is still a load of rubbish by current evidence.

You could compare the attitude and actions in Australia to any other continent and the only other country doing as much is the USA.

Agreed. And Fingers is clasping at straws.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Agreed. And Fingers is clasping at straws.

Got to love how good this forum is at missing the point.

 

[peterst6906]

The rot looks deep at Aussie cycling when an ex-doper who got fired from Garmin for sending a rider to a dodgy doctor is heavily involved with both the national set-up and OGE, which throws up huge questions over how clean that team has been riding

I'm surprised that he was hired as well. I'm also surprised that JV recommended him after having fired him.

That was a clear brain fart of a decision, but I hope the current inquiry into the team will show a clean bill of health.

But OGRE is not 'Australia'. It's still rubbish to claim Oz is going easy on doping. If you wanted to say OGRE has up to this point gone easy on doping, I can agree with that, but it's way different to saying Australia is just looking to go easy.