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Teams & Riders Matteo Jorgenson and his inexorable rise to the top

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Logic-is-your-friend said:
He has to laugh when the guy from CM says Van der Poel is the overwhelming favorite for the OG RR, "you really think so?".

He picks Evenepoel to finish solo.
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What Jorgenson wants, is to burden the Belgian team with the favorite's role... And then win himself. Is Van Aert, Van Baarle or Laporte going to chase if he gets away?
 
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Yes, I think the most likely outcome for the Olympic RR is Remco wins solo. He is going very well right now with a TdF podium and TT gold medal in his back pocket.

But Jorgenson was immense for Vingegaard at the Tour. Team strength is blunted in the Olympics so that also falls in Remco’s favour despite the depth of Belgium. Other teams won’t be able to counter Belgium.
 
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Cookster15 said:
Yes, I think the most likely outcome for the Olympic RR is Remco wins solo. He is going very well right now with a TdF podium and TT gold medal in his back pocket.

But Jorgenson was immense for Vingegaard at the Tour. Team strength is blunted in the Olympics so that also falls in Remco’s favour despite the depth of Belgium. Other teams won’t be able to counter Belgium.
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Would be hilarious if Jorgenson beats Evenepoel again because he wasn’t considered a threat.
 
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Matteo's preview of the Olympic road race, with Scottish cycling punter David Hunter (Cyclingmole):

View: https://youtu.be/2O_Plpsck5k?feature=shared


It made it all the way to Sporza:

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Matteo Jorgenson duwt Belgen in favorietenrol voor olympische wegrit: "Bijna gênant als ze niet winnen" | sporza

Het Belgische kwartet boezemt de concurrentie veel angst in voor de olympische wegrit. "Zelfs als het plan-Evenepoel niet lukt, hebben ze nog andere kaarten om mee te spelen", zegt de Amerikaan Matteo Jorgenson, die ook Jasper Stuyven naar voren schuift.
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Matteo's discussion with Mitch Docker is terrific. I learned a lot about differences in teams. He comes across as such a friendly, intelligent, humble guy.

View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6YRwOlM1tZQLdlyl0h4sCg?si=oujJQvVJRu-ae_U2yg3fBA
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
He has to laugh when the guy from CM says Van der Poel is the overwhelming favorite for the OG RR, "you really think so?".

He picks Evenepoel to finish solo. The peloton only has 90 riders, of which roughly 30 are pack fodder, teams are small so the race will be difficult to control. That also means unlike at a big classic, monument or even WCC, that positioning is far less a factor. So riders that are good at positioning, lose that advantage. The city course starts a lot closer to the finish than in the '23 WCC, the peloton will be much smaller, teams weaker/smaller. On average riders will be riding in the wind a lot more/earlier (the peloton is much smaller and a lot of the riders aren't WT level and will drop early). There are no radios. All of that screams chaos and a long hard race.
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All of that turned out to be true right up to the crash that had Remco on the front side of it. The way he nuked those climbs there was scant opportunity to catch, or catch breath.
 
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Pantani_lives said:
What Jorgenson wants, is to burden the Belgian team with the favorite's role... And then win himself. Is Van Aert, Van Baarle or Laporte going to chase if he gets away?
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Reading his CN interview about competing within Visma as a motivating factor is important. I think that system typically rewards the best prepared riders for the event and usually brings success.
As for the ORR....yes; he did get chased by his trade teammates there. He currently enjoys the motivating environment because it brings him success. I hope he doesn't forget that Primoz also thrived; right up to the point where the same Wout left him for dead after hitting a haybale kicked into his path by a Tour crasher and, instead of helping him was instructed to tow Jonas and leave Primoz to chase.
That will happen to him on that squad, too. Arguably a good Visma race strategy but a really poor management tactic that won't be forgotten.
 
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Still gives me the chills, Dauphiné performance. AS for GT potential i feel that when riding for Jonas he won't have such freedom, with Jonas absent then i feel that Visma might have an issue, due to every man riding for themself. When riding like that overall results are usually absent.
 
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CyclistAbi said:
Still gives me the chills, Dauphiné performance. AS for GT potential i feel that when riding for Jonas he won't have such freedom, with Jonas absent then i feel that Visma might have an issue, due to every man riding for themself. When riding like that overall results are usually absent.
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The Dauphine was impressive, yes, but remember that Gee also had a breakthrough there, and got 9th at the Tour by clinging on desperately. So a podium at this year's Dauphine translated into the bottom of the Top 10 at the TdF, more than 25' behind Pog.

I think Gee and Matteo are very similar riders -- great TT, mountain grinders, generally race smart -- who can win a week long stage race but are not quite physiologically suited to podium a GT, or at least a Tour in which the big 4 guys are there.

Of course they could podium the right Vuelta and maybe Giro, but you could say that about a lot of riders.
 
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Bolder said:
The Dauphine was impressive, yes, but remember that Gee also had a breakthrough there, and got 9th at the Tour by clinging on desperately. So a podium at this year's Dauphine translated into the bottom of the Top 10 at the TdF, more than 25' behind Pog.

I think Gee and Matteo are very similar riders -- great TT, mountain grinders, generally race smart -- who can win a week long stage race but are not quite physiologically suited to podium a GT, or at least a Tour in which the big 4 guys are there.

Of course they could podium the right Vuelta and maybe Giro, but you could say that about a lot of riders.
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As a fan I’m more interested in what he can continue to do in the classics since it’s much rarer to see American riders performing at high levels in that world. Obviously there is a lot of competition on his own team, but that could work to his advantage a’ la the old Quickstep formula.
 
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Sciatic said:
As a fan I’m more interested in what he can continue to do in the classics since it’s much rarer to see American riders performing at high levels in that world. Obviously there is a lot of competition on his own team, but that could work to his advantage a’ la the old Quickstep formula.
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I could definitely see that happening. Kind of like with Latour.
 
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Yeah but that was the initial remark, on how riding like that usually isn't all that beneficial in term of overall result. If you are serious about podium position or are after overall in a GT, then you better have a dedicated team behind you from the get go. Anyway, best to wait and see on how they plan to tackle it, considering the ambition was expressed.
 
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Bolder said:
The Dauphine was impressive, yes, but remember that Gee also had a breakthrough there, and got 9th at the Tour by clinging on desperately. So a podium at this year's Dauphine translated into the bottom of the Top 10 at the TdF, more than 25' behind Pog.

I think Gee and Matteo are very similar riders -- great TT, mountain grinders, generally race smart -- who can win a week long stage race but are not quite physiologically suited to podium a GT, or at least a Tour in which the big 4 guys are there.

Of course they could podium the right Vuelta and maybe Giro, but you could say that about a lot of riders.
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Jorgenson is more versatile for me.
 
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