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I know this has been posted before in Dutch, I'm just republishing Google translate version of
http://www.nusport.nl/plugge/2579965/zaak-van-heeswijk.html
dated 2nd August
What is the reason for an ex-rider to interview? In the case Max van Heeswijk was that the judicial inquiry that Jeff Novitzky of the Food and Drug Administration is doing to the U.S. Postal team of Lance Armstrong. In the case Max van Heeswijk was thats the judicial inquiry That Jeff Novitzky of the Food and Drug Administration is doing to the U.S. Postal Team and Lance Armstrong.
© AP © AP
Van Heeswijk rode between 2002-2006 for the teams from Armstrong. Between 2002-2006 Van Heeswijk red for the team from Armstrong. We wanted Van Heeswijk talk about the abrupt end of his career and ask him about his view on the matter, Armstrong and the goings of the U.S. Postal / Discovery teams. We wanted Van Heeswijk talk about the abrupt end of His career and ask him about His view on the matter, Armstrong and the going of the U.S. Postal / Discovery teams.
Some of Van Hees Wijk former teammates is under attack and was questioned by the research team of Jeff Novitzky. Van Hees District or some former teammates has been under attack and was questioned by the research team of Jeff Novitzky. One of them has openly admitted doping, Floyd Landis. One of Them HAS openly Admitted doping, Floyd Landis.
He and Tyler Hamilton, who previously was part of the team of Armstrong, both talking about the systematic administration of performance-enhancing drugs that was common during the period when they coo revenue for the teams. He and Tyler Hamilton, who had Previously part of the team or Armstrong, Both talking about the systematic administration of performance-enhancing drugs common That Was When They coo During the period revenue for the teams. Van Heeswijk was their teammate, the only Dutchman who once drove for such units, so the only who could tell whether he had ever noticed anything. Van Heeswijk was Their teammate, the only Dutchman who once drove for Such units, so the only who was Could tell whether he ever NOTICED anything.
Course Sequence
The call reporter Nando Boers mid June with Van Heeswijk was also carried about. Nando Boers call the reporter mid June with Van Heeswijk Also carried interest was about. Van Heeswijk told extensively about his time with the team of Armstrong. Van Heeswijk told extensively about His time with the team or Armstrong. It was about the team, the individuals Armstrong and Landis, but it was about doping in the peloton and the team. It was about the team, the Individuals Armstrong and Landis, but it was about doping in the peloton and the team.
Of course we asked the question to ask if this is the subject of the interview is: do you use yourself? Of course we asked the question to ask if this is the subject of the interview: do you use yourself? The answer we did not expect, the further course of the conversation either. The answer we did not expect, the Further course of the conversation either.
Theft Theft
Van Heeswijk wanted the comments on doping would be omitted from the article. Van Heeswijk wanted comments on the drugs would be omitted from the article. When the reporter thus did not accept, Van Heeswijk took the recording that the interview was recorded, opened it and pulled the disk out. When the reporter did not accept Galanthus, Van Heeswijk firing the recording thats the interview was recorded, opened it and pulled out the disc.
Van Heeswijk opened the cupboard under the sink where the garbage is back. Van Heeswijk Opened the cupboard under the sink where the garbage is back. This threw the former professional the diskette containing the recorded conversation. This threw the former professional disk containing the recorded conversation the. The photographer that the photos would make, meanwhile, was inside and witnessed the scene. The photographer thats the photos would make, mean while, was the scene inside and Witnessed.
Boers asked Van Heeswijk wanted to return the disk. Boers asked Van Heeswijk wanted to return the disc. He refused. He refused. This Boers broke off the conversation and asked him to the Van Heeswijk rottweiler to lead the way out. This Boers broke off the conversation and asked him to the Van Heeswijk rottweiler to lead the way out.
Contact Contact
Boers since 1997 in sports journalism work has a good reputation and many interviews, acclaimed sports books and he has never seen anything like it. Boers since 1997 in sports journalism work Has A good reputation and many interviews, he HAS Acclaimed sports books and never seen anything like it. Boers had, once outside, shocked and indignant, but as soon as possible he wrote the events and what has been discussed on. Boers had, once outside, shocked and indignant, but as soon as Possible he wrote the events and on what Has Been discussed.
Meanwhile, we tried to get contact with Van Heeswijk. Meanwhile, we tried to get contact with Van Heeswijk. We wanted to return the disk, it can not be that interviewees made statements after stealing the sound carriers. We wanted to return the disk, it can not Be That interviewees made statements after stealing the sound carriers. Telephone and text message we tried several times to get in touch. Telephone and text message we tried Several times to get in touch. When Van Heeswijk did not respond, we decided declaration (in Belgium, since all this took place in Belgium) to make the steal of the disk. When Van Heeswijk did not respond, we Decided declaration (in Belgium, since all this firing place in Belgium) to make the steal of the disc.
Tour Tour
We decided to publish this story, after the Tour de France. We Decided to publish this story, after the Tour de France. We publish it not what Van Heeswijk said. We publish it not what Van Heeswijk said. That he says is amazing. That he says is amazing. This confession does help, it is our journalistic duty to publish it. This confession does help, it is our journalistic duty to publish it.
We tried in preparation for publication in touch with Van Heeswijk. We tried in preparation for publication in touch with Van Heeswijk. As usual with NUsport we sent the article for publication. As usual with NUsport we presented the article for publication. One day before deadline, there was a sudden reaction. One day before deadline, there was a sudden reaction. Van Heeswijk returned on his steps, he wanted to reverse what he said. Van Heeswijk returned On His steps, he wanted to reverse what he said. We found: Said is said, what's done is done. We found: Said is said, what's done is done. We will not pretend this is not said. We will not pretend this is not said.
The brown disk with the interview ended up in trash. The brown disc with the interview ended up in trash. We hope not that which has since been swallowed up in the incinerator, but fear that the fate of the disk is sealed. All which we hope not that since bone HAS Swallowed up in the incinerator, but fear thats the fate of the disc is sealed. That does not mean that the story of Max van Heeswijk and stand up on his confession. That does not mean thats the story of Max van Heeswijk and stand-up On His confession.
http://www.nusport.nl/plugge/2579965/zaak-van-heeswijk.html
dated 2nd August
What is the reason for an ex-rider to interview? In the case Max van Heeswijk was that the judicial inquiry that Jeff Novitzky of the Food and Drug Administration is doing to the U.S. Postal team of Lance Armstrong. In the case Max van Heeswijk was thats the judicial inquiry That Jeff Novitzky of the Food and Drug Administration is doing to the U.S. Postal Team and Lance Armstrong.
© AP © AP
Van Heeswijk rode between 2002-2006 for the teams from Armstrong. Between 2002-2006 Van Heeswijk red for the team from Armstrong. We wanted Van Heeswijk talk about the abrupt end of his career and ask him about his view on the matter, Armstrong and the goings of the U.S. Postal / Discovery teams. We wanted Van Heeswijk talk about the abrupt end of His career and ask him about His view on the matter, Armstrong and the going of the U.S. Postal / Discovery teams.
Some of Van Hees Wijk former teammates is under attack and was questioned by the research team of Jeff Novitzky. Van Hees District or some former teammates has been under attack and was questioned by the research team of Jeff Novitzky. One of them has openly admitted doping, Floyd Landis. One of Them HAS openly Admitted doping, Floyd Landis.
He and Tyler Hamilton, who previously was part of the team of Armstrong, both talking about the systematic administration of performance-enhancing drugs that was common during the period when they coo revenue for the teams. He and Tyler Hamilton, who had Previously part of the team or Armstrong, Both talking about the systematic administration of performance-enhancing drugs common That Was When They coo During the period revenue for the teams. Van Heeswijk was their teammate, the only Dutchman who once drove for such units, so the only who could tell whether he had ever noticed anything. Van Heeswijk was Their teammate, the only Dutchman who once drove for Such units, so the only who was Could tell whether he ever NOTICED anything.
Course Sequence
The call reporter Nando Boers mid June with Van Heeswijk was also carried about. Nando Boers call the reporter mid June with Van Heeswijk Also carried interest was about. Van Heeswijk told extensively about his time with the team of Armstrong. Van Heeswijk told extensively about His time with the team or Armstrong. It was about the team, the individuals Armstrong and Landis, but it was about doping in the peloton and the team. It was about the team, the Individuals Armstrong and Landis, but it was about doping in the peloton and the team.
Of course we asked the question to ask if this is the subject of the interview is: do you use yourself? Of course we asked the question to ask if this is the subject of the interview: do you use yourself? The answer we did not expect, the further course of the conversation either. The answer we did not expect, the Further course of the conversation either.
Theft Theft
Van Heeswijk wanted the comments on doping would be omitted from the article. Van Heeswijk wanted comments on the drugs would be omitted from the article. When the reporter thus did not accept, Van Heeswijk took the recording that the interview was recorded, opened it and pulled the disk out. When the reporter did not accept Galanthus, Van Heeswijk firing the recording thats the interview was recorded, opened it and pulled out the disc.
Van Heeswijk opened the cupboard under the sink where the garbage is back. Van Heeswijk Opened the cupboard under the sink where the garbage is back. This threw the former professional the diskette containing the recorded conversation. This threw the former professional disk containing the recorded conversation the. The photographer that the photos would make, meanwhile, was inside and witnessed the scene. The photographer thats the photos would make, mean while, was the scene inside and Witnessed.
Boers asked Van Heeswijk wanted to return the disk. Boers asked Van Heeswijk wanted to return the disc. He refused. He refused. This Boers broke off the conversation and asked him to the Van Heeswijk rottweiler to lead the way out. This Boers broke off the conversation and asked him to the Van Heeswijk rottweiler to lead the way out.
Contact Contact
Boers since 1997 in sports journalism work has a good reputation and many interviews, acclaimed sports books and he has never seen anything like it. Boers since 1997 in sports journalism work Has A good reputation and many interviews, he HAS Acclaimed sports books and never seen anything like it. Boers had, once outside, shocked and indignant, but as soon as possible he wrote the events and what has been discussed on. Boers had, once outside, shocked and indignant, but as soon as Possible he wrote the events and on what Has Been discussed.
Meanwhile, we tried to get contact with Van Heeswijk. Meanwhile, we tried to get contact with Van Heeswijk. We wanted to return the disk, it can not be that interviewees made statements after stealing the sound carriers. We wanted to return the disk, it can not Be That interviewees made statements after stealing the sound carriers. Telephone and text message we tried several times to get in touch. Telephone and text message we tried Several times to get in touch. When Van Heeswijk did not respond, we decided declaration (in Belgium, since all this took place in Belgium) to make the steal of the disk. When Van Heeswijk did not respond, we Decided declaration (in Belgium, since all this firing place in Belgium) to make the steal of the disc.
Tour Tour
We decided to publish this story, after the Tour de France. We Decided to publish this story, after the Tour de France. We publish it not what Van Heeswijk said. We publish it not what Van Heeswijk said. That he says is amazing. That he says is amazing. This confession does help, it is our journalistic duty to publish it. This confession does help, it is our journalistic duty to publish it.
We tried in preparation for publication in touch with Van Heeswijk. We tried in preparation for publication in touch with Van Heeswijk. As usual with NUsport we sent the article for publication. As usual with NUsport we presented the article for publication. One day before deadline, there was a sudden reaction. One day before deadline, there was a sudden reaction. Van Heeswijk returned on his steps, he wanted to reverse what he said. Van Heeswijk returned On His steps, he wanted to reverse what he said. We found: Said is said, what's done is done. We found: Said is said, what's done is done. We will not pretend this is not said. We will not pretend this is not said.
The brown disk with the interview ended up in trash. The brown disc with the interview ended up in trash. We hope not that which has since been swallowed up in the incinerator, but fear that the fate of the disk is sealed. All which we hope not that since bone HAS Swallowed up in the incinerator, but fear thats the fate of the disc is sealed. That does not mean that the story of Max van Heeswijk and stand up on his confession. That does not mean thats the story of Max van Heeswijk and stand-up On His confession.
Adamastor said:
epic stuff. thanks for the link.
Max claims there was confusion about the term "preparation". He says they asked him whether he used to "prepare" for races, which he then answered with "yes". Then, according to Max, the interviewer falsely interpreted this as a confession to doping.
But, Max, if that's what happened, then "why were you so epically stupid to steal and throw away the tape?", the interviewer subsequently asked...
Adamastor said:
Notice the photo to the left of the video? Is that meant to represent Max having to kiss Armstrong's rear end?:
Can someone post the gist of what van Heeswijk's saying here? Why does he burst into tears? Is this whole interview just an attempt at damage control?
I don't buy the 'translation mistake' for a second. Both Boers and van Heeswijk speak the same language. In the video you can see a transcript of the interview. Where the question is 'Was it EPO?' Max answers 'Ja'. It defies credulity that ol Max could be confused about the meaning of that.
Did uncle lance put the heat on him? I've never understood how someone never planted a fist in the middle of his face. His bodyguards don't form a human cage around him. The feeling of vindication would be far stronger than fears about future livelihood.
I don't buy the 'translation mistake' for a second. Both Boers and van Heeswijk speak the same language. In the video you can see a transcript of the interview. Where the question is 'Was it EPO?' Max answers 'Ja'. It defies credulity that ol Max could be confused about the meaning of that.
Did uncle lance put the heat on him? I've never understood how someone never planted a fist in the middle of his face. His bodyguards don't form a human cage around him. The feeling of vindication would be far stronger than fears about future livelihood.
Barrus
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Stingray34 said:
That he was one of the cleanest riders in that era because everyone was doping and that he had it so difficult because he was not doping and now he is portrayed as a doper
What does he mean by "everyone"? Does that include his teammates? Because if it doesn't, they seemed to be doing pretty fine while clean.Barrus said:That he was one of the cleanest riders in that era because everyone was doping and that he had it so difficult because he was not doping and now he is portrayed as a doper
Barrus said:That he was one of the cleanest riders in that era because everyone was doping and that he had it so difficult because he was not doping and now he is portrayed as a doper
you also saw this dozens of times with Contador. When having a beer or a plate of food with team members or friends he probably used English a little bit. These riders should not do interviews in anything other than their mother tongue. The guy was probably leading a quite life.
They should go bother Landis he will talk to anyone, plus he knows everything about what Lance does ,even today, maybe up to the minute. Just keep thinking about him kicking *** on the race circuit. Months go by, he pulls in for a routine pit stop and is handed a subpoena. Big grin on his face he will assume it's about Lance, it will be from the UCI. he has to miss his first race. I hope all the seeds he has planted turn into the weeds he deserves
MacRoadie said:
"Bigmouth Strikes Again"or "Sheila Take A Bow". I saved "Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before" but that's for your everyday friends.
JFK was a donut
Damiano Machiavelli
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MacRoadie said:
For some muppets any thread is a good opportunity to excuse Lance's doping. There could be a thread about the mating habits of the Nigerian dung beetle, and they would post excuses for Lance in it.
Damiano Machiavelli said:
Any chance we can get this back to how badly Morrisey sucks?
Let's keep it on topic, boys...
fatandfast said:
Dude you are either not paying attention or willfully stupid or just getting mad at the wrong guy, but really Floyd? Really? What has he gained?
Barrus
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hrotha said:What does he mean by "everyone"? Does that include his teammates? Because if it doesn't, they seemed to be doing pretty fine while clean.
That was my first thought as well. He denies nothing about any comments about doping that were not specifically about him, so I wonder what else he has said, since the interview was also about doping within the team and the entire peloton
UUUhhhm, the interview was in his mother tongue and the comment sounded ridiculous in that language as well
The pdf with the interview has been released by Nusport:
http://www.nusport.nl/files/NUsport/NUsport 31 Interview Van Heeswijk.pdf
http://www.nusport.nl/files/NUsport/NUsport 31 Interview Van Heeswijk.pdf
Havetts said:
thanks! lovely.
it starts with Max's wife telling him directly after the interview: "Max, I've warned you not to talk about Lance!"
Could we get a summary? I read through the first page and a half but my Dutch is just not good enough.
hrotha said:
The article contains little news in terms of doping, just that Max admits to having used EPO 3 times. Also, he talks openly about how testosteron can be applied without being caught.
Also, he indirectly accuses Hincapie and Michael Barry, by saying that, if he would have doped more, he could still have been active, using Hincapie and Barry as cases in point.
The rest of the article is an interpretation of the situation and of Max's behavior during the interview (first admitting, then regretting the admission immediately after, stealing the disc, etc.) by the journalist himself. About omerta, how it is understandable that Max did what he did, etc...
IMO, the interview leaves little room for doubt about the veracity of the journalist's claims regarding what Max did and did not say.
Also, there is an editor's note, saying that after the interview they've attempted to contact Max a dozen of times through telephone, SMS and Email, and have given him chances to give his version of the story, etc, but that he hasn't replied to any of those attempts.
Also, they've sent him the article before publication, to give him the opportunity to respond prior to publication. Max chose not to comment.
Ah, and there is a bit about how Max praises Lance for having done so much in the fight against cancer, and about how that is one reason why people should get off LAnce's back and stop discussing him in relation to doping. (The journalist then remarks that it's not really about the dope, but more about the tax-issues and Lance being a part owner of the US Postal team, etc.)
Max also expresses his negative sentiments towards Floyd, about how Floyd should be grateful to Lance (something like "Floyd was poor when he came into cycling, then suddenly he was able to buy everything. He owed it all to Lance.")
I find the part about how his wife comes in the room shortly after the interview, saying something like "Didn't I warn you not to talk about Lance?" to be quite revealing. The journalists logically speculates about how this shows the fear and pressure guys like Max (and their families) must have been living under during their carreers, and now, after their carreers, due to Novitzky's investigation, etc..
About how these guys know that coming clean diminishes their chances to stay in cycling.
The journalist draws a logical relation between doping cyclists, and the cyclists' families. Considering that families depend on the cyclist's income, a cyclist with mouths to feed is rather unlikely to say no to dope, if everybody else dopes.
Dope = mealticket.
sniper said:
And on that last note it is hard to hold the bit players to the same harsh light as the well-paid stars, not being in their shoes it's hard to know how they feel. Most are facing few employment prospects and seem very susceptable to intimidation and manipulation.
Polish
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sniper said:
Yes, Mrs Van Heeswijk is fearful Lance will send over the Cowboy Goombas to drill holes in the dike protecting the Van Heeswijk household.
Lance is a bad bad man
Or maybe Mrs Van Heeswijk, like her husband, respect Lance and do not want to contribute to the media smear campaign?
Mrs Van Heeswijk a Bizzaro World Betsy?
Blonde and skinny
Polish said:Yes, Mrs Van Heeswijk is fearful Lance will send over the Cowboy Goombas to drill holes in the dike protecting the Van Heeswijk household.
Lance is a bad bad man
Or maybe Mrs Van Heeswijk, like her husband, respect Lance and do not want to contribute to the media smear campaign?
Mrs Van Heeswijk a Bizzaro World Betsy?
Blonde and skinny
Max told in the interview how great a man Lance is and he additionally dissed Floyd.
The interview is very positive towards Lance.
The sad thing is: Lance probably doesn't remember who Max is.
But you should have seen Max cry like a baby on national television.
Polish
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sniper said:
I would think Lance remembers....
After all, Max will make a sympathetic witness for the defense in the upcoming trial.
He might be able to outcry Tyler lol.
sniper said:
Hamilton also seemed very anxious to defend Lance in the 60min interview. I'm never quite sure how to take such comments. It's difficult to tell if they are expressing honest opinions, or attempting to protect themselves from the inevitable accusations of bitterness or jealousy.
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