Or do we do it like for the women, and create a single thread for all activities so that it can be pinned?U23 tt tomorrow, do we just use this thread?
Or do we do it like for the women, and create a single thread for all activities so that it can be pinned?U23 tt tomorrow, do we just use this thread?
Or do we do it like for the women, and create a single thread for all activities so that it can be pinned?
I would maintain seperate threads for mens ITT and mens RR (pro elite). The rest of the mens activities could go into a combination thread just like the womens. Its for future refs etc.
Would be surprised if it gets further than 1 page.And that leads me to the next question:
What about the Mixed Relay?
Where "here" do you mean? Next year in Giro u23 and Avenir? In the future as a GC rider?Just wondering: from all the GC contenders of the Giro Next Gen and L‘avenir it seems like Finn was the only TT contender. Does he have an edge here compared to the others?
Where "here" do you mean? Next year in Giro u23 and Avenir? In the future as a GC rider?
Also he wasn't the only contender, Seixas finished ahead of him.
ITT's are nearly meaningless in todays GT's. They could cause 30s gaps, but GT's are won by minutes.
If you want to compare him to his competitors at the Giro or the Tour de l'Avenir, why not just look at the time trials in those races? It does not appear he has an advantage there.well, apparently my question was confusing. I wondered: Finn was the only one from the main GC guys from this years Giro next Gen or Tour de l'avenir (Except Seixas) who was taking part in the World Championship TT.
I just wondered if he has a better TT then Widar, Omrzel, Nordhagen etc.
That Seixas already did the TT with the elite speaks for itself.
He may become one "of the better" GC TT'ers, but again, that is near meaningless in today's cycling. Most of it comes down to windtunnel testing, training and at the end of the day, GC contenders are just seconds removed in TT's. Look at Evenepoel's advantage in TT's over Pogacar or Vingegaard during the Tour de France. Not even worth mentioning anymore, and he's the best TT'er of this decade. Even Kuss during Vuelta 2023 lost 1m 12s in 25km. That's one of the worst TT'ers to one of the best TT 'ers.well, apparently my question was confusing. I wondered: Finn was the only one from the main GC guys from this years Giro next Gen or Tour de l'avenir (Except Seixas) who was taking part in the World Championship TT.
I just wondered if he has a better TT then Widar, Omrzel, Nordhagen etc.
That Seixas already did the TT with the elite speaks for itself.
The Giro one was nine minutes long and the Avenir ones were both MTTs. They're probably more useless than judging Finn according to yesterday's raceIf you want to compare him to his competitors at the Giro or the Tour de l'Avenir, why not just look at the time trials in those races? It does not appear he has an advantage there.
A lot of that is because Pogacar and Vingegaard are phenomenal. Evenepoel's only GT is in no small part because of the time he gained in the time trial there.He may become one "of the better" GC TT'ers, but again, that is near meaningless in today's cycling. Most of it comes down to windtunnel testing, training and at the end of the day, GC contenders are just seconds removed in TT's. Look at Evenepoel's advantage in TT's over Pogacar or Vingegaard during the Tour de France. Not even worth mentioning anymore, and he's the best TT'er of this decade.
The Giro one was nine minutes long
Good news, wrong thread.Capello faster than Evenepoel in the 2nd sector.
When none of the other riders were even in the race... it doesn't really matter anyway, since the biggest U23 talents Del Toro and Seixas don't race with the U23s.The Giro one was nine minutes long and the Avenir ones were both MTTs. They're probably more useless than judging Finn according to yesterday's race
To blow up the next sector apparently.Capello faster than Evenepoel in the 2nd sector.
Yeah, my point was that we don't really have a comparison point at all, though you'd expect based on this performance and general rider characteristics that Finn would be better than Widar in a TT.When none of the other riders were even in the race... it doesn't really matter anyway, since the biggest U23 talents Del Toro and Seixas don't race with the U23s.
Seixas doesn't race with the U23s in these championships. Del Toro may be older, but he's still a U23.Yeah, my point was that we don't really have a comparison point at all, though you'd expect based on this performance and general rider characteristics that Finn would be better than Widar in a TT.
Seixas does race with the U23s and Del Toro is a full three years older, so I don't see what the point in bringing him up is.
Seixas wasn't able to drop anyone in the Avenir despite having a full year as pro, I don't think he's miles ahead. He is better than the rest for now, but miles ahead is a huge exaggeration (I don't think, for instance, he'd have won yesterday).Seixas doesn't race with the U23s in these championships. Del Toro may be older, but he's still a U23.
I think those two guys are miles ahead of the rest in this category, with the exception of maybe Widar. For the rest it doesn't really matter what their TT capacity is, in terms of getting a GT result.
Do you think other riders from l'Avenir could get Seixas' result in the Dauphine?Seixas wasn't able to drop anyone in the Avenir despite having a full year as pro, I don't think he's miles ahead. He is better than the rest for now, but miles ahead is a huge exaggeration (I don't think, for instance, he'd have won yesterday).
I would be really surprised if none of the rest ever feature for a GT. By the time they're 23 Pogacar and Vingegaard will probably be out the picture, and there aren't that many guys younger than them who look like they'll overtake them imminently.
No, definitely not, but worth remembering that Nordhagen came 13th in Romandie too, and he looked worse than his age group rivals both at the Giro and Avenir.Do you think other riders from l'Avenir could get Seixas' result in the Dauphine?
I would expect Seixas to have peaked less specifically for l'Avenir than the others
I think Widar could have been close. He'd have lost more time in the TT, but otherwise, yeah. He also has a big engine and does well on classic courses, so those first 3 stages would not have been a problem, and the mountain stages were 130km or so in Dauphiné and plenty of wheels to follow.Do you think other riders from l'Avenir could get Seixas' result in the Dauphine?