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Because of the ongoing GOAT debate I decided to waste time by looking at the All Time ranking on PCS and seeing who had the highest score over 4 years. I used their All Time ranking scoring system for that instead of the regular one.

Obviously the winner was Merckx (1858,4 points) but I then graphed any rider that ever scored over 400 points (and the best old ones before riders scored that high) to see who actually had the biggest gap on the competition. In that regard Kelly does compete with Merckx and Pogacar just might do so soon enough.

What I did note though is that once Merckx broke this scoring barrier we saw several cyclists also scoring way higher than their predecessors (De Vlaeminck, Hinault, Maertens, Saronni, Kelly and Moser). Now with Pogacar we might be witnessing the beginnings of a similar peak (Roglic, Evenepoel, Van Aert, Vingegaard).

Here's the graph:
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Note: Bugno is incorrectly labelled and should be Rominger instead.

Note: Bartali probably did have some closer competition but they didn't score over 400 points in 4 seasons. In hindsight I added a few riders below 400 to illustrate Girardengo's dominance and might still do so for Bartali and Guerra too.

Note: In case anyone's wondering Alberto Contador would have sat at 584,4 at the end of 2011. This would have been the highest score since Jalabert but still ecplised by Sagan.
 
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Panda Claws said:
Because of the ongoing GOAT debate I decided to waste time by looking at the All Time ranking on PCS and seeing who had the highest score over 4 years. I used their All Time ranking scoring system for that instead of the regular one.

Obviously the winner was Merckx (1858,4 points) but I then graphed any rider that ever scored over 400 points (and the best old ones before riders scored that high) to see who actually had the biggest gap on the competition. In that regard Kelly does compete with Merckx and Pogacar just might do so soon enough.

What I did note though is that once Merckx broke this scoring barrier we saw several cyclists also scoring way higher than their predecessors (De Vlaeminck, Hinault, Maertens, Saronni, Kelly and Moser). Now with Pogacar we might be witnessing the beginnings of a similar peak (Roglic, Evenepoel, Van Aert, Vingegaard).

Here's the graph:
D73H6X0.png


Note: Bartali probably did have some closer competition but they didn't score over 400 points in 4 seasons. In hindsight I added a few riders below 400 to illustrate Girardengo's dominance and might still do so for Bartali and Guerra too.
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Impressive that the guy with the second highest peak on that graph doesn't have a single monument to his name.
 
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Here's the graph:
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Edit: Some more numbers.
1908: Lucien Petit-Breton (328,7) and Louis Trousselier (274,2) both peaked.
1911: François Faber (392,8) shatters these scores.
1922: The first campionissimo Costante Girardengo (488,3) reaches beyond the 400-point mark. His main competition Gaetano Belloni (323,6) and Giovanni Brunero (303,8) falls way behind.
1929: Alfredo Binda (692,3) sets a long-lasting record. His main rival Nicolas Frantz (484,9) will be the first and only non-Italian to go beyond 400 points for several decades more.
1935: Learco Guerra (529,6) makes his play for nr. 1.
1940: Gino Bartali (504,6) at the dawn of World War II.
1943: Spanish stars Delio Rodríguez (372,1) and Julián Berrendero (285,6) could mostly continue racing.
1949: After the war both Fausto Coppi (642,8) and Gino Bartali (553,6) reach their best scores in the same year.
1951: Ferdinand Kübler (565,0) attains a third place.
1961: Rik Van Looy (662,0) still cannot break Binda's record.
1964: Jacques Anquetil (746,0) finally does.
1966: Jacques Anquetil (767,2) and Raymond Poulidor (546,3) both reach their peaks.
1969: Eddy Merckx (1043,6) hits the ground sprinting. Felice Gimondi (639,8) attains his best score which puts him at sixth overall.
1973: The Cannibal (1858,4) sets an infathomable score: 2,4 times higher than what anyone else had done.
1976: Roger De Vlaeminck (960,0) is the first to creep considerably closer though.
1978: As did Freddy Maertens (1151,0),
1979: Francesco Moser (901,3)
1982: Bernard Hinault (1049,3), Giuseppe Saronni (909,9),
1986: and Sean Kelly (1080,8).
1995: Tony Rominger (860,4) becomes the first to approach these scores again. Miguel Indurain (721,2) is some ways behind.
1998: After re-invigorating his career Laurent Jalabert (876,2) just barely misses the top-5.
2016: Peter Sagan (659,6) is the first to score over 600 points since 2000. Chris Froome (590,0) also came close.
2018: After a slight improvement Peter Sagan (679,6) sits comfortably ahead of Alejandro Valverde (579,1).
2021: Primoz Roglic (707,1) suddenly shatters earlier scores.
2023: Tadej Pogacar (891,1) already has the highest score since Sean Kelly and is looking to enter the Top-5 after this season. His main competition is lagging behind: Primoz Roglic (661,7), Remco Evenepoel (592,5), Wout Van Aert (577,8) and Jonas Vingegaard (409,6).

Highest scoring riders of all-time
  1. Eddy Merckx: 1858,4 in 1973
  2. Freddy Maertens: 1151,0 in 1978
  3. Sean Kelly: 1093,4 in 1986
  4. Bernard Hinault: 1049,3 in 1982
  5. Roger De Vlaeminck: 960,0 in 1976
  6. Giuseppe Saronni: 909,9 in 1982
  7. Francesco Moser: 901,3 in 1979
  8. Tadej Pogacar: 891,1 in 2023
  9. Laurent Jalabert: 876,2 in 1998
  10. Tony Rominger: 860,4 in 1995
  11. Jacques Anquetil: 767,2 in 1966
  12. Miguel Indurain: 721,2 in 1995
  13. Primoz Roglic: 707,1 in 2021
  14. Alfredo Binda: 692,3 in 1929
  15. Peter Sagan: 679,6 in 2018
  16. Rik Van Looy: 662,0 in 1961
  17. Luis Ocaña: 655,3 in 1973
  18. Fausto Coppi: 642,8 in 1949
  19. Felice Gimondi: 639,8 in 1969
  20. Franco Bitossi: 594,6 in 1970
Highest scoring riders since 2000
  1. Tadej Pogacar: 891,1 in 2023
  2. Primoz Roglic: 707,1 in 2021
  3. Peter Sagan: 679,6 in 2018
  4. Laurent Jalabert: 615,0 in 2000
  5. Remco Evenepoel: 592,5 in 2023
  6. Chris Froome: 590,0 in 2016
  7. Alessandro Petacchi: 582,5 in 2006
  8. Alejandro Valverde: 579,1 in 2018
  9. Wout Van Aert: 577,8 in 2023
  10. Erik Zabel: 570,0 in 2002
  11. Tom Boonen: 540,1 in 2007
  12. Alexander Kristoff: 524,7 in 2017
  13. Mark Cavendish: 519,6 in 2011
  14. Alberto Contador: 507,9 in 2010
  15. Philippe Gilbert: 495,7 in 2011
  16. Julian Alaphilippe: 470,0 in 2021
  17. Joaquim Rodriguez: 467,6 in 2013
  18. Tony Martin: 461,3 in 2014
  19. Paolo Bettini: 454,3 in 2006
  20. Fabian Cancellara: 450,9 in 2011
 
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Panda Claws said:
Because of the ongoing GOAT debate I decided to waste time by looking at the All Time ranking on PCS and seeing who had the highest score over 4 years. I used their All Time ranking scoring system for that instead of the regular one.

Obviously the winner was Merckx (1858,4 points) but I then graphed any rider that ever scored over 400 points (and the best old ones before riders scored that high) to see who actually had the biggest gap on the competition. In that regard Kelly does compete with Merckx and Pogacar just might do so soon enough.

What I did note though is that once Merckx broke this scoring barrier we saw several cyclists also scoring way higher than their predecessors (De Vlaeminck, Hinault, Maertens, Saronni, Kelly and Moser). Now with Pogacar we might be witnessing the beginnings of a similar peak (Roglic, Evenepoel, Van Aert, Vingegaard).

Here's the graph:
D73H6X0.png

Note: Bugno is incorrectly labelled and should be Rominger instead.

Note: Bartali probably did have some closer competition but they didn't score over 400 points in 4 seasons. In hindsight I added a few riders below 400 to illustrate Girardengo's dominance and might still do so for Bartali and Guerra too.

Note: In case anyone's wondering Alberto Contador would have sat at 584,4 at the end of 2011. This would have been the highest score since Jalabert but still ecplised by Sagan.
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The trend you see is from riders who dominate the whole season (Merckx, Kelly ...) to specialists (classics, sprinters, GC riders, TT ...) and now back to riders that are more generalists and dominate the season.
 
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