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andy1234 said:
Never said that but then you'd love that I did.
Kimmage tends to be first to hold up his hand when he gets it wrong, like Kohl's mountain stage win.
Posters that shoot at Kimmage are batting for doping. Chapeau. Why are you not shooting Sally Jenkins or the idiot that Wrote Hincapie book, nah, take pot shots at Kimmage, why? cause y'all want to believe the sport somehow is clean or most riders are clean or the riders you like are clean. How it got clean, y'all cant explain but that doesn't matter, you believe it to be cause an ex doper (JV) says it is and Brailsford a guy who lied about being with David Millar when he was arrested told ya it is clean and clean riders can beat doped times!
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frenchfry said:
Trying to be funny, and actually being funny are two entirely different things
Just saying.....
Benotti69 said:Never said that but then you'd love that I did.
Kimmage tends to be first to hold up his hand when he gets it wrong, like Kohl's mountain stage win.
Posters that shoot at Kimmage are batting for doping. Chapeau. Why are you not shooting Sally Jenkins or the idiot that Wrote Hincapie book, nah, take pot shots at Kimmage, why? cause y'all want to believe the sport somehow is clean or most riders are clean or the riders you like are clean. How it got clean, y'all cant explain but that doesn't matter, you believe it to be cause an ex doper (JV) says it is and Brailsford a guy who lied about being with David Millar when he was arrested told ya it is clean and clean riders can beat doped times!
Mmmmkay to the bold...
Benotti69 said:
The rest of your post is so random, it's hard to address.....
but hopefully you feel vented....Y'all.
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M Barry is a vivid example of all that is wrong with recent cycling and should be exiled from current and future cycling initiatives in Canada. But he is not alone.
In Canada, Mr. Barry is the fold with:
1. Seamus McGrath: double liar. He was positive in 1997 http://www.canadiancyclist.com/dailynews.php?id=247, but when he recently confessed said it was only in 2003. Pathetic.
2. Chris Sheppard - in the doping trio with SM and RH.
3. Axel Merckx - Married to a Canadian Triathlete and coach of young Canadian kids in Victoria and Kelowna (http://amydf.org). He should be banned from coaching and developing young Canadian athletes. Axel is rancid. What is worse is that he has been recognized and partnered with Cycling BC and the Canadian Cycling Association...Mr. Tolkamp, John 604 737-8258 President John.tolkamp@gmail.com https://twitter.com/jtolkamp Allowing AM access to young Canadian riders is a direct attack on building a clean sport in our Nation and Mr. Tolkamp is presently responsible for dealing with this.
4. Ryder Hesjedal-sad but true.
5. M. Barry- I remember watching him at the 1996 Olympic games when he was just a tiny, vapid, eyes-wide-open rider with hopes and dreams. But, by 2003 http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/worlds03/?id=emr when he absolutely shocked all of us, watching the new, dirty, MB was already in full flight. We would have liked you a lot more if you finished with a more realistic result like Dom. Perras and Eric Wohlberg 12 mins back.
Mike, you are just another liar that is now trying to avoid telling the whole truth, so you can salvage some sort of income now that your blemished career has been exposed. You post blogs, write books and now struggle to become a false-cycling writer. Until you tell the whole truth and fade off into cycling history will you ever have my respect. Please retract any potential involvement in the future 2015 PanAm games.
In Canada, Mr. Barry is the fold with:
1. Seamus McGrath: double liar. He was positive in 1997 http://www.canadiancyclist.com/dailynews.php?id=247, but when he recently confessed said it was only in 2003. Pathetic.
2. Chris Sheppard - in the doping trio with SM and RH.
3. Axel Merckx - Married to a Canadian Triathlete and coach of young Canadian kids in Victoria and Kelowna (http://amydf.org). He should be banned from coaching and developing young Canadian athletes. Axel is rancid. What is worse is that he has been recognized and partnered with Cycling BC and the Canadian Cycling Association...Mr. Tolkamp, John 604 737-8258 President John.tolkamp@gmail.com https://twitter.com/jtolkamp Allowing AM access to young Canadian riders is a direct attack on building a clean sport in our Nation and Mr. Tolkamp is presently responsible for dealing with this.
4. Ryder Hesjedal-sad but true.
5. M. Barry- I remember watching him at the 1996 Olympic games when he was just a tiny, vapid, eyes-wide-open rider with hopes and dreams. But, by 2003 http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2003/worlds03/?id=emr when he absolutely shocked all of us, watching the new, dirty, MB was already in full flight. We would have liked you a lot more if you finished with a more realistic result like Dom. Perras and Eric Wohlberg 12 mins back.
Mike, you are just another liar that is now trying to avoid telling the whole truth, so you can salvage some sort of income now that your blemished career has been exposed. You post blogs, write books and now struggle to become a false-cycling writer. Until you tell the whole truth and fade off into cycling history will you ever have my respect. Please retract any potential involvement in the future 2015 PanAm games.
Remember when Landis first came out with the Postal info?
What was Barry's reaction? Lies, more lies, and legal threats to Landis backed up by his wife. All which came to nothing because he was plainly lying...
The world needs to forget about Barry and his big-mouthed wife...
What was Barry's reaction? Lies, more lies, and legal threats to Landis backed up by his wife. All which came to nothing because he was plainly lying...
The world needs to forget about Barry and his big-mouthed wife...
JMBeaushrimp said:
Vande Velde, Zabriskie, Millar, Hesjedal and Danielson can join him in his hypocritical purgatory.
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Neworld said:
This post is perfect, save for its lacking the entire Jeanson saga, as well as Roland Green and our own Dr Fuentes, Dr. Duquette. Well done!
And yes, Tolkamp needs to feel the heat on Axel M....
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Fortyninefourteen said:
John is a good guy, has taken some personal risks on his stance against Pat and on doping, and has been moved into a more important role with UCI.
Nobody in the Clinic gets a free ride, but we may be in for some good news in the future from John's involvement.
Dave.
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What is the knock on Merkcx over and above the Giardini Margherita investigation in Italy, 1998, the suspicions about the 1998 TDF, he was a client of Ferrari back then and he is a fanboy of Armstrong?
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JMBeaushrimp said:
Yes, but Mr. On the Postal Bus is more deserving of much more negative scrutiny first. That his wife was not just knowing lying about his PED use, but goading others into it also deserves more negative attention.
The clean couple is very dirty.
Dave.
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Neworld said:
I remember that Chris Shepard and Mike Vine got a positive test but Seamus in 1997?
Maybe you can refresh my memory on that one as I thought this recent admission was his first?
Yeah I guess we should look to all the clean guys that were cheated out of their chances to get any perspective on the PRO experience? Looking backward and only Allison comes up clean. I assume you are not suggesting they are telling young innocents to dope now? No doubt we wish they made better choices and I suppose if they all were clean then Canada would have no successful cyclists as role models. I get they are not such good roe models but they were there in the heat of the problem and coping like just about all the players at the time.
Most of the riders I know that were robbed of opportunity were women and Jeansen was the thief.
The real dirt was in the background. More than any other Canadian athlete there were more red flags over that girl and her coach but the National team selectors were falling all over themselves to kiss JJ and AA's tails. At the 2003 wolds support riders are cozen by JJ and Lynn without much consideration of a team. 2 stars got their choice of support riders and lift consideration of those riders resume. Several very accomplished riders were passed over so JJ could have the domestique she wanted as was Lynn.
No one was listening to the suspicion around JJ yet the same structure would not let Luca race in Seoul Korea because he was working outside the Canadian team structure. He won the trials. He never failed a drug test. He was the best Sprinter. He watched the race. Hypocrisy is rampant everywhere.
So do we throw out the past and all the players? do we ignore what these people know about the sport and its dark side? do we only use bright fresh young coaches with no experience and start over?
You call Axel a pariah but he is doing a lot in Kelowna for the sport and the growth of youth. I am pretty sure they are not teaching micro dosing either.
By all accounts John is a good president and has represented Canada well. I doubt he can do more to stop anyone from coaching or working in cycling when they are not under some suspension.
The Gran Fondo's that Axel and Seamus organize provide participation events that certainly do a lot to increase general participation in cycling. They both capitalize on famous riders names for recognition. For most people riding with Axel is riding with the son of the greatest racer ever. For most Canadians I really don't think these past transgressions are reasons to avoid these athletes now.
MB turned out to be just another of a long list of pros that when faced with that dark choice, succumbed to the dark side. Maybe it might have been better that Canadians could not make it in Europe but that was not what happened. We as racing fans probably knew this all along yet we were there to see our stars rip it up and we still are.
You are supporting those riders now by coming here. You prove you are interested and you are participating. You can go to the start of these Fondo's and carry a sign outlining your opposition to these people. Will that stop anyone form participating? maybe a few won't take the start but they are there for their reasons and I think for reasons not about Axel's past. Axel brings Cache. this brings interest. Interest generates sponsor dollars. those dollars provide a positive cycling experience so in fact we are getting a positive return on past deeds. I get that if these people are perpetuating the past then lets catch them at it. That would do something for credibility.
I believe these past sinners can bring positive things to the sport including a change for the better. If anything they are probably some of the best resources for change since they won't be so naive.
Today I think only Allison Sydor came out of that generation as an honest Canadian champion but I wonder whether she would have done as well if she started 5 years later? As storied and successful as she was her marketability today is not attracting the sponsors that Axel or Hesjedal are.
Too bad all our Canadians were not so honest.
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Master50 said:
I enjoyed that. I note your comment about JJ and the 2003 Worlds. But what was really going on? In 2001 Jeanson thumped them in the Grande Tour de Quebec. In one stage she led alone with Lyne Bessette, Nicole Cooke, Pia Sunsted and Anke Erlank doing a team time trial behind her for 60km before they could pull her back. That is one heavyweight squad to be holding off alone. Then later in the week she suddenly pulled out. Then she never went to Manchester 2002. The Canadian squad was still great with Lyne, Sue, Clara and others but why wasn't JJ there ? Was the Federation protecting her at that time with some "suggested" breaks from the sport. It seems like most other Federations around the world were doing the same thing.
It appeared that even when the flames at the foot of the pall of smoke were clearly visible to everyone else, the Canadian Federation were still selecting her for world championships and promoting her. Was it a question of them taking a the view that "all the others are doping anyway so we understand you have to do it Genevieve", so they cut her "some slack", as they saw it. Maybe that was another thing at the root of why Barry behaved like he did, passive acknowledgement from guys in the know at the home Federation. Got to be so bad.
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Here is the link again... http://www.canadiancyclist.com/dailynews.php?id=247Master50 said:
His HCT was over 50%l; not normal.
Later, I will respond to the rest of your 'explanations' of accepting dopers back, in order to change the future.
nw
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Master50 said:
Yes, too bad.
As well considered as your post was, wouldn't it do some good to shed a bit more light on Barry? And Ryder? And Dede for that matter?
Haven't Canadians been a bit quick to apologize, ignore, or brush this stuff under the carpet?
Here is an interesting quote from as recently as 2010:
Olympic champion Clara Hughes, who trained with Barry during her cycling days, said she has no doubt he’s clean.
“I have known Michael since he was 15 years old and he has been a teammate, a friend, and a person I have looked to for hope as an athlete,” said Hughes. “Hope that it is possible to play fair and clean and that hard, disciplined work pays off. He is an individual of great integrity and there is simply no way in my mind that there is any basis to any allegations.”
http://www.thestar.com/sports/2010/...ichael_barry_denies_claims_he_used_drugs.html
I stepped over the egregious statement from Dede to pull that out. But, isn't Clara self-implicated here?
Teammate, friend and an influential person and all??
Was Michael as influential with Clara as he was with Zabriskie? Did Dede offer the female perspective?
Is this a Canadian Omerta?
On that note and before I forget, having mentioned Ryder above, isn't it convenient that we simply forget about Ryder's past? How much doping did he do with the Chicken? What did the three mouseketeers (Ryder, Seamus and Shep) really get up to?
You and I both knew years ago that Ryder had been doping. We could not have been alone. Why is this being so easily forgotten?
Why are Michael, Dede, Seamus and Axel finding Canada so comfortable wrt doping pasts? Do people like recently banned Salas come here for the weather? Or, is there more to the Canadian accommodating nature?
Can we not just shine a little bit of light on this? Maybe a modestly Canadian version of a Truth and Reconciliation?
Dave.
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No. You have to recall that after the Ben Johnson doping incident at Seoul in 1988, the Canadian government held a Commission of Inquiry into doping in sport. Canada was the first country in the world to do this. The Dubin Inquiry had subpoena power and all of the top athletes and coaches of the day were obliged to testify and the root of the problem was determined. Substantial recommendations were made that have ultimately caused institutions such as the Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sport to be instituted.
Unfortunately this did not seem to affect cycling, but it did other sports such as track. Hejesdal and Barry, unfortunately did not have the moral courage to overcome the culture of doping unique to cycling and in my view they are embarrassments to Canada.
Here is an interesting quote from as recently as 2010:
No. Clara took Barry at face value just like huge numbers of people took Armstrong, Ullrich, Contador etc at face value. Barry doped while at USPS whose special omerta has been well documented by former USPS riders and USADA's reasoned decision. Clara was just as shocked as anyone at Barry's involvement with drugs.
Canadian omerta in cycling is no different from omerta anywhere. The kind of omerta that existed (exists) in cycling is indigenous to cycling and originated in Europe as far back as the 50s and 60s and reached its peak in the 90s and the early 21st century. When it comes to cycling we have had some great talents but compared to Europe we are just a little back water of cycling.
It is not being forgotten. Ryder has no where near the credibility and support he had in his Giro days since his admission (years too late) about doping. His reputation has taken a huge hit and his popularity is significantly diminished.
Barry is in Canada because he is Canadian. Merckx is ostensibly here because his wife is from Kelowna and the Okanagan is a great place to raise a family and ride a bike. But there is a lot of talk about Axel in the cycling community and a lot of people are concerned about his role in development.
D-Queued said:
On a bike manufacturer forum Ryder was called out by close followers from the North American circuit, going as far as calling him a blight on his category. Clearly more than a few knew. Why it never got much traction before his confession? Not a clue really.
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Master50 said:
Master, I have yet to respond to the other post.
As for a blood test result that had a HCT of >50%...what are thinking?
(a) there was a lab error but cycling Canada suspended him anyway?
(b) he as a normoHCT always greater than 50%
(c) he returned from hiking in Peru?
(d) he was doping with EPO, had a HCT>50% in an era when you could easily not get caught...especially in Canada where there were NO out of competition tests.
Yes, not a 'positive' test. But clearly a doper as far back as 1997 and he refuses to admit to it. He was a doper very early on... I know him. He beat everyone around Ontario, all of a sudden and took spots on national teams displacing clean riders. It was a positive test. He has NO business being involved in any facet of future cycling in Canada.
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