Michael Rogers after leaving Sky

[Netserk]

that 'performance' by Rogers has convinced me that Contador would be miles ahead of everyone in GC had he not crashed out.

Yeah, unlike Sky, Tinkoff has been prepared to the teeth.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Rogers in Giro/Zoncolan form would have dropped everybody on the climb....

 

[elduggo]

Yeah, unlike Sky, Tinkoff has been prepared to the teeth.

also made good use of their rest day it seems.

did Tinkov escape the 'vampires' on rest day?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tou...-of-doping-controls-the-new-french-generation

 

[Eyeballs Out]

that 'performance' by Rogers has convinced me that Contador would be miles ahead of everyone in GC had he not crashed out.

They were at least as strong last year - didn't put the slightest dent in Froome though. If you've got clearly the strongest rider then that trumps any supposed team strength

 

[maxmartin]

Rogers in Giro/Zoncolan form would have dropped everybody on the climb....

he should be the GC leader instead of powerless skinny AC

 

[42x16ss]

Not excusing Rogers - he's dodgy as they come - but this was a win through great descending and opportunism, like his first Giro stage. It's not like Rogers is riding top 5 candidates off his wheel in the mountains like 2012....

 

[pastronef]

Well done to Mick for preventing a Tommy V victory. Chapeau.

agree, well done to him. even more because Voeckler won against Kirienka in the sprint. and I would've smashed my tv

 

[luckyboy]

I am just glad we finally see a rider constructed entirely of synthetic material (teflon) win a stage of the Tour

 

[yespatterns]

Mick is dodgy as hell, but he bossed that descent. Glad Tommy v didn't coerce it.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Vuelta start or we riot

I was screaming at the Telly for him to win.

 

[darwin553]

Go Mick Rogers!!!

 

[thehook]

Mick rode a monster descent. And played his tactics perfect on the climb. IMHO young riders should watch that stage and take note of his tactics.

Do I think Mick had a shady past. Sure. But now I see a rider with a lot going on in the positive column. His remarks after the stage I though spoke volumes on sporting and the mental side of things. I have never seen an elite athlete open up and give a viewer a real look into there mental/physical prep and daily battle to be on top form.

 

[blackcat]

 

[Le Baroudeur]

Love the meme

 

[IndianCyclist]

Mick rode a monster descent. And played his tactics perfect on the climb. IMHO young riders should watch that stage and take note of his tactics.

Do I think Mick had a shady past. Sure. But now I see a rider with a lot going on in the positive column. His remarks after the stage I though spoke volumes on sporting and the mental side of things. I have never seen an elite athlete open up and give a viewer a real look into there mental/physical prep and daily battle to be on top form.

I think he had a bigger gear maybe 55x9 compared to Gautier to power away on the descent.

 

[Cycle Chic]

So - Rogers has gone from Racehorse to Donkey since leaving Sky. Whats going on ? Why has every rider who has been with Sky gone backwards ?

 

[Netserk]

Like Gerrans?

 

[hrotha]

Re:

So - Rogers has gone from Racehorse to Donkey since leaving Sky. Whats going on ? Why has every rider who has been with Sky gone backwards ?

While I think Rogers performed better at Sky, the above is blatantly false.

 

[Black Betsy]

Re: Re:

So - Rogers has gone from Racehorse to Donkey since leaving Sky. Whats going on ? Why has every rider who has been with Sky gone backwards ?

While I think Rogers performed better at Sky, the above is blatantly false.

How I conquered Zoncolan and had fun doing it

 

[carton]

Re: Re:

So - Rogers has gone from Racehorse to Donkey since leaving Sky. Whats going on ? Why has every rider who has been with Sky gone backwards ?

While I think Rogers performed better at Sky, the above is blatantly false.

How I conquered Zoncolan and had fun doing it

Yep, and, as Netserk said, Gerrans. Dowsett and Henderson also seem to have found a niche. Uran did better against a stronger Giro field in 2014 than he had in 2013. He didn't do great this Giro/Tour attempt, but, on the flip side Pauwels performed far beyond any possible range of expectations. Plus, you know, a world-tour rider slowing down at 35 is not exactly unheard off. Rogers probably did worse with Sky that at any other point in his career.

The thing about the Sky-bashers is that, though they're the first to mercilessly ridicule Sky for going things like 5.8W/kg, they somehow don't realize saying similarly ridiculous things could in any way not reflect all that well on them (because anyone who doesn't buy their arguments on anything must be a Sky fanboy) or their case that Sky have the super-duper-secret drugs no one else has even heard of.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

So - Rogers has gone from Racehorse to Donkey since leaving Sky. Whats going on ? Why has every rider who has been with Sky gone backwards ?

While I think Rogers performed better at Sky, the above is blatantly false.

How I conquered Zoncolan and had fun doing it

Yep, and, as Netserk said, Gerrans. Dowsett and Henderson also seem to have found a niche. Uran did better against a stronger Giro field in 2014 than he had in 2013. He didn't do great this Giro/Tour attempt, but, on the flip side Pauwels performed far beyond any possible range of expectations. Plus, you know, a world-tour rider slowing down at 35 is not exactly unheard off. Rogers probably did worse with Sky that at any other point in his career.

The thing about the Sky-bashers is that, though they're the first to mercilessly ridicule Sky for going things like 5.8W/kg, they somehow don't realize saying similarly ridiculous things could in any way not reflect all that well on them (because anyone who doesn't buy their arguments on anything must be a Sky fanboy) or their case that Sky have the super-duper-secret drugs no one else has even heard of.

You forgot to mention how we all also spat on Froome at the Tour de France and that we all threw beer on him a few stages before that.

And that's just to Chris Froome. We really are bad people. We all supported Lance, punched Richie Porte, hacked into Brailsford's computer, sent threats to Cound, crashed into Geraint Thomas and failed to laugh when he made a joke about it.

God help us all.

 

[carton]

Re: Re:

You forgot to mention how we all also spat on Froome at the Tour de France and that we all threw beer on him a few stages before that.

And that's just to Chris Froome. We really are bad people. We all supported Lance, punched Richie Porte, hacked into Brailsford's computer, sent threats to Cound, crashed into Geraint Thomas and failed to laugh when he made a joke about it.

God help us all.

God save the queen, dude, you've got your lyrics wrong. And if you think G isn't funny then we are definitely breaking up.

I obviously didn't mean they reflect back on everyone who ever questioned everything that Sky says, but there it is explicitly written in case you personally felt alluded to. But some of the guys that are ridiculing thin arguments while offering up some doozies themselves aren't really helping themselves, IMHO. Feel free to disagree.

But I would like to point out that there's a possibility, however remote you might believe it to be, that 20 years go by and nothing comes out on Sky. "Good people" might want to at least consider that before posting. I'm not sure if I've never failed at that myself.

 

[samhocking]

Cycling quotient is only a guide and doesn't factor illness or team strategy I know, but traditionally Rogers ranking has always been very consistent in Quickstep, T-Mobile, HTC & Sky. It's really only this year he's significantly dropped off. He's ranked lower now than he was in hist first year at Mapei in 2000, so something's changed with him this year only really. 2013 and 14 he's been only ranked slightly worse at Tinkoff than Sky, which could simply be team strategy perhaps?

 

[coinneach]

Re:

Cycling quotient is only a guide and doesn't factor illness or team strategy I know, but traditionally Rogers ranking has always been very consistent in Quickstep, T-Mobile, HTC & Sky. It's really only this year he's significantly dropped off. He's ranked lower now than he was in hist first year at Mapei in 2000, so something's changed with him this year only really. 2013 and 14 he's been only ranked slightly worse at Tinkoff than Sky, which could simply be team strategy perhaps?

Yes, or also when you think you have a real GC contender in the team, he could have been doing a Porte, and almost stopping when his turn is over, to save himself for another day.

Koenig went from 7th last year to 65th this year, it's not a good measure of his performance or effectiveness.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

You forgot to mention how we all also spat on Froome at the Tour de France and that we all threw beer on him a few stages before that.

And that's just to Chris Froome. We really are bad people. We all supported Lance, punched Richie Porte, hacked into Brailsford's computer, sent threats to Cound, crashed into Geraint Thomas and failed to laugh when he made a joke about it.

God help us all.

God save the queen, dude, you've got your lyrics wrong. And if you think G isn't funny then we are definitely breaking up.

I obviously didn't mean they reflect back on everyone who ever questioned everything that Sky says, but there it is explicitly written in case you personally felt alluded to. But some of the guys that are ridiculing thin arguments while offering up some doozies themselves aren't really helping themselves, IMHO. Feel free to disagree.

But I would like to point out that there's a possibility, however remote you might believe it to be, that 20 years go by and nothing comes out on Sky. "Good people" might want to at least consider that before posting. I'm not sure if I've never failed at that myself.

Its entirely possible that 20 years go by and nothing comes out on Sky. Meaningless to me though. 24 years have gone by and nothing has come out on Indurain though its obvious to anyone with a brain that he doped and he basically admited it himself.

Hardly the only one either. There's other guys who rode in the 1990's that posters on this board testify were doping or openly disucssing doping and they have all their honours, MBE's in some cases.

Or all those athletes from all those other sports in the 1990's breaking world records etc.