Michael Rogers after leaving Sky

[thehog]

Rogers himself said he was in the form of his life at Sky, of course he also claimed to be clean, so maybe we take every word from him with a grain of salt.

Yes the same time Basso was saying how can you attach then they're drilling out 460w for 5 hours.

Oh and Rogers used to tell Wiggo "Don't worry, we're dialed into 450w, we'll draw them back".

Good times. And looks lke the good times are back again!

 

[markjohnconley]

Where's the friggin' evidence

HTF is he doping? what evidence say Aru, or Quintana isn't?

 

[the sceptic]

HTF is he doping? what evidence say Aru, or Quintana isn't?

Even when he tests positive, it isnt evidence.

No one dodges bullets like Rogers.

 

[red_flanders]

HTF is he doping?

How? Who knows. Certainly we know that blood doping is undetectable, as long as it's done in a program where values stay within certain levels and are managed accurately. We know that microdosing EPO is possible in training, and is used to maintain certain blood parameters when using blood doping.

All would give a rider a substantial if not massive boost in performance.

But we don't know exactly how anyone is doing it of course. We simply know that it's relatively straightforward to beat the testing if you have the resources and correct contacts.

Mick Rogers checks the box on all that. I didn't see anything obvious, or at least so obvious as to leave no other option than "he's on the sauce", but I personally don't think a performance like he put in today is in any way likely from him clean.

what evidence say Aru, or Quintana isn't?

None. I personally don't see how Quintana's top performances over the last couple of years are possible by a clean rider and I assume him to be doping. I certainly don't think he's the only one. Aru? Same answer. Possible but extremely unlikely that this performance is possible clean IMO.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Aru and Quintana may well be doping.

But they aren't named as clients of Michele Ferrari in legally bound documents, on training camps with Levi Leipheimer, Alexander Vinokourov and Andrey Kashechkin. During the time Ferrari was banned from practicing as a physician due to his activities in assisting professional athletes to dope. They weren't on the T-Mobile team that Sinkewitz attested went to the Freiburg Clinic to blood dope during the Tour.

They are potential, for the more sceptical among us even probable, dopers. But Mick Rogers is like Klöden or Zajicek - a guy everybody knows is doped and has almost always been doped, yet is like a stain you just can't get rid of.

 

[zlev11]

I've actually seen bots calling rogers out today - how the hell does that work...however they are backing up what we think of them. That their loyalty, bias and cluelessness has them ruined.

Dimspace having a go at Rogers is some priceless stuff. I wonder what his tweets were like when Rogers was riding the peloton off his wheel at 450 watts in 2012.

 

[thehog]

Dimspace having a go at Rogers is some priceless stuff. I wonder what his tweets were like when Rogers was riding the peloton off his wheel at 450 watts in 2012.

I like Dim. He's a good guy. Nothing but respect for the website and stuff he's set up.

I think even he'd have a laugh at it but during the 2011 Vuelta he was stating Froome will die any minute now as he'd done so much work for Wiggins. This was about half way through the Vuelta. As you know the rest is history.

 

[proffate]

One thing that struck me about Rogers's performance was that his time up the Zoncolan was almost as good as the GC favorites'. The break started the Zoncolan with what, 6 minutes in hand? And Rogers beat Quintana by 4:45.

 

[SeriousSam]

But Mick Rogers is like Klöden or Zajicek - a guy everybody knows is doped and has almost always been doped

agreed. other than the brief period from 2011-2012 he's probably always been on peds

 

[Granville57]

Dimspace having a go at Rogers is some priceless stuff. I wonder what his tweets were like when Rogers was riding the peloton off his wheel at 450 watts in 2012.

I suppose we could always check, no?

@dimspace
Lars Peter Nordhaug doing a pretty good job of dropping Mick Rogers in it. Confirming he doped early in career..
https://twitter.com/dimspace/status/257451600556199936

@dimspace
Brailsford to ask all team members to confess any links to doping. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-they-have-not-breached-drug-free-policy.html … Yates & Mick Rogers (ferrari) on the list i guess
https://twitter.com/dimspace/status/257122994080591872

 

[zlev11]

find some from the 2012 Tour

 

[zlev11]

the first one is exactly my point, though. apparently getting dropped by Lars Peter (sic) Nordhaug in October is proof of past doping, but riding everyone off your wheel but three teammates and four other top flight GC contenders on the Croix de Fer in the Tour de France doesn't raise any flags. using DimLogic, Rogers would have put 5 minutes into the field on that stage if he was still using Ferrari.

 

[darwin553]

Great performance from Mick Rogers last night!

But it was my friend, last year before Dauphine. There were pages and pages about how Sky doped him in a way nobody else can. Like they are doing with Froome and Wiggins.

Well that seems to be a contradiction, doesn't it? If Sky have this highly sophisticated doping program which is meant to be the best in the paddock, how is it that Mick Rogers appears to be riding better now than what he did at Sky?

Mick's back on the Chinese ? Same butcher as Contador ? He's looked incredibly good for a guy that's been out for a while, especially on the mountain stages as well as doing his domestique duties on the front. But he has made it into the right breaks as well, some luck in that. Losing time early in the race worked to his favour.

Must be benefiting from the same training program that Horner used before last year's Vuelta

 

[Bexon30]

Great performance from Mick Rogers last night!



Well that seems to be a contradiction, doesn't it? If Sky have this highly sophisticated doping program which is meant to be the best in the paddock, how is it that Mick Rogers appears to be riding better now than what he did at Sky?



Must be benefiting from the same training program that Horner used before last year's Vuelta

For me Rogers is riding the same level as at Sky, but he is getting into breaks and maintaining good pace up hills to hold out for break away wins. Sure he is suspect as ever. But no better to me. One thing I don't quite get is his TT is lesser than it used to be, well just.

 

[markjohnconley]

Aru and Quintana may well be doping.

But they aren't named as clients of Michele Ferrari in legally bound documents, on training camps with Levi Leipheimer, Alexander Vinokourov and Andrey Kashechkin. During the time Ferrari was banned from practicing as a physician due to his activities in assisting professional athletes to dope. They weren't on the T-Mobile team that Sinkewitz attested went to the Freiburg Clinic to blood dope during the Tour.

They are potential, for the more sceptical among us even probable, dopers. But Mick Rogers is like Klöden or Zajicek - a guy everybody knows is doped and has almost always been doped, yet is like a stain you just can't get rid of.

I'm talking 2014; so there's no more evidence that rogers is than any other rider; so why still belittle his current efforts; why not just stop watching cycling, mark

 

[DirtyWorks]

the first one is exactly my point, though. apparently getting dropped by Lars Peter (sic) Nordhaug in October is proof of past doping, but riding everyone off your wheel but three teammates and four other top flight GC contenders on the Croix de Fer in the Tour de France doesn't raise any flags.

I like to call it "zero to hero." Which is consistent with oxygen vector doping.

We know the UCI doesn't sanction some suspicious profiles. Maybe he's on the teflon dopers list?

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

the first one is exactly my point, though. apparently getting dropped by Lars Peter (sic) Nordhaug in October is proof of past doping, but riding everyone off your wheel but three teammates and four other top flight GC contenders on the Croix de Fer in the Tour de France doesn't raise any flags. using DimLogic, Rogers would have put 5 minutes into the field on that stage if he was still using Ferrari.

This myth about Rogers dropping everyone but four riders on the Croix de Fer is one of the funniest which is repeated endlessly on here. Just about every good climber in the race that year was up the road ahead of the 8 man peloton that day. Of course, Rogers is a doper but why the need to make stuff up to convince yourself of the fact?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Great performance from Mick Rogers last night!



Well that seems to be a contradiction, doesn't it? If Sky have this highly sophisticated doping program which is meant to be the best in the paddock, how is it that Mick Rogers appears to be riding better now than what he did at Sky?



Must be benefiting from the same training program that Horner used before last year's Vuelta

For me Rogers is riding the same level as at Sky, but he is getting into breaks and maintaining good pace up hills to hold out for break away wins. Sure he is suspect as ever. But no better to me. One thing I don't quite get is his TT is lesser than it used to be, well just.

He's not having to ride as a domestique at this race much - hence the stage wins. Sky have dominant GC TdF riders so you have to protect them and lose much chance of a stage win.

Otherwise, I say he's riding as well, but with less racing in his legs, so it looks more sus to me.

 

[LaFlorecita]

One thing that struck me about Rogers's performance was that his time up the Zoncolan was almost as good as the GC favorites'. The break started the Zoncolan with what, 6 minutes in hand? And Rogers beat Quintana by 4:45.

IIRC it was 7 minutes. And the favorites didn't go all out from the beginning, while Rogers did

 

[roundabout]

This myth about Rogers dropping everyone but four riders on the Croix de Fer is one of the funniest which is repeated endlessly on here. Just about every good climber in the race that year was up the road ahead of the 8 man peloton that day. Of course, Rogers is a doper but why the need to make stuff up to convince yourself of the fact?

You are not serious, surely?

 

[darwin553]

Otherwise, I say he's riding as well, but with less racing in his legs, so it looks more sus to me.

Could go either way on this - less racing in his legs obviously doesn't help too much to get him primed for a big GT but then again a heavy schedule before a GT doesn't really help either.

Irregardless, I can't wait till he is Contador's domestique at the TdF.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Could go either way on this - less racing in his legs obviously doesn't help too much to get him primed for a big GT but then again a heavy schedule before a GT doesn't really help either.

Irregardless, I can't wait till he is Contador's domestique at the TdF.

Given his position in the pecking order, Roger's performance at this 2014 Giro is on par with Quintana disappearing for a couple of months and returning to win IMO.

I believe Rogers will be stronger at the Tour; not winning stages as he has a job to do, but riding as strongly.

Unless he gets sick.

 

[Fagniniwins]

For me Rogers is riding the same level as at Sky, but he is getting into breaks and maintaining good pace up hills to hold out for break away wins. Sure he is suspect as ever. But no better to me. One thing I don't quite get is his TT is lesser than it used to be, well just.

What was the last time Rogers rode an ITT full-on? 2012 Dauphine?

In any case, he has been as strong as ever when it counts since then: Saxo TTTs, 2013 Tour crosswinds stage (basically a TTT), and the full gas efforts to win Giro stages this year.

He's savvy sure, but he's also got the legs when it counts...which is plainly ridiculous given his history. I actually laughed out loud when he, Delfino, and Bardiani-of-the-day dropped Roche and the rest of the group with 6k to go.

Was Rogers riding a compact? Tinkoff do run SRAM 32 rear cogs on big mountain days, but he climbed practically all of Zoncolan seated. Seriously, who does that?

 

[blackcat]

Rogers will go up with Hincapie as a super super super domestique

 

[TheGame]

find some from the 2012 Tour

You wont find many tweets at all from dimspace during the 2012 Tour. He actually closed the "fansite" that summer. Read into that what you will.

But since when has this forum been about picking apart tweets by a non-cyclist, non-team staff?

If you want to talk about, or to @dimspace why not take it up with him on twitter. This is not the appropriate forum.