Michael Rogers after leaving Sky

[Gloin22]

I like to be ambiguous. ;p

Quoting this again: ''"But it's a tough road back. You have three or four months out the sport and you're so far behind. When you start off already on the wrong foot at the start of the year, it's hard to progress and to catch up again. I'm slowly getting there. Hopefully for the Tour I'll be back to my usual self."

As he was out for so long, he clearly didnt train his TT enough to be competitive yet. Should be much better at Tour. And considering his ****ty winter, spring, he's getting better and better...

 

[Galic Ho]

Rogers up there again with a top performance .To my mind its pretty clear that he must have cheated in the pre Sky days because there can be no other reason for this rider to have left .Just shows how clean Sky riders have to be past and present .I know I have praised Sky again so If I have said anything that gets me banned for no reason Im sorry

You do know he went to Freiburg university in 06 right? You do know he rode for T-Mobile and before them Quickstep with Lefevre as his DS? You do know he was a TRIPLE World ITT Champion right whilst LA was winning Tours?

Any more blank spots need filling in?

 

[Cyivel]

Not quite as good yet

 

[Parrulo]

Yup just a little worse then last year. . .

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Yup just a little worse then last year. . .

Krebs' 2 year old is currently busy flinging poop around the room, but I asked it earlier what it thought about Rogers' relative 2013 vs 2012 performances given the additional data of Stage 8 and it just blew raspberries.

I tend to agree.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

http://twitpic.com/cwfbd3

Looks like the Freiburg/Ferrari wonder lost a few watts when he left team Sky.

 

[McLovin]

Looks like the Freiburg/Ferrari wonder lost a few watts when he left team Sky.

I don't know if it's been discussed before, but I think he wasn't on that car. I am 100 percent sure for Kloden, Mazzoleni, Gonchar, Sinkewitz and Kessler. Can't get one out of this group and put Rogers in. And I'm sure they didn't put one in the trunk.

 

[Ferminal]

Wasn't in the car. Not sure if that completely rules out him being a visitor at some stage? Although for me the timeline never really matched up as I think he only exited his relationship with the good doctor pre-2006 Tour based on a team directive. But then so was Sinkewitz? I guess we will never know, not that it changes much, there will only ever be one Freiburg Phantom. Rogers is renowned for not being a 3-week rider, it's not outrageous to think that he has never gone down the transfusion path.

 

[McLovin]

I may be subjective, Rogers being my favorite rider since Ullrich era but I tend to believe, or like to believe he is clean, or almost clean, or clean after 2006. In 2006 Tmobile was the first team ever to fight from inside against doping and was also very vocal about that. Rogers stayed. Kloden went to Astana. Kloden would have been the team captain for Tour in 2007. I guess he wasn't very happy training up Tignes with Vino struggling on his pace. But why he went? Tmobile was the richest team in peloton. Rogers, outside that Epsteine barr virus was very constant since 2007. 2 top 10 in GT, a lot of stage races and good in one day races also. He was constant from January to July. Nothing odd. But I may be subjective.

 

[Galic Ho]

I may be subjective, Rogers being my favorite rider since Ullrich era but I tend to believe, or like to believe he is clean, or almost clean, or clean after 2006. In 2006 Tmobile was the first team ever to fight from inside against doping and was also very vocal about that. Rogers stayed. Kloden went to Astana. Kloden would have been the team captain for Tour in 2007. I guess he wasn't very happy training up Tignes with Vino struggling on his pace. But why he went? Tmobile was the richest team in peloton. Rogers, outside that Epsteine barr virus was very constant since 2007. 2 top 10 in GT, a lot of stage races and good in one day races also. He was constant from January to July. Nothing odd. But I may be subjective.

Kloden has always been someone's b1tch.

Old news. Really old news. He follows and cannot lead. He knows it. So he joined his old friend Vino who is a leader.

Sinkewitz and Rogers are good mates. Both were doping at T-Mobile. Wake up.

 

[McLovin]

Sinkewitz and Rogers are good mates. Both were doping at T-Mobile. Wake up.

Is there a proof? Or it's an assumption? I guess after 2006 Sinkewitz and Bernucci were the only ones from Tmobile related to doping. On the other hand they got Pinnoti, Gerdeman, Martin, Cav...and I guess they can be stamp as clean riders. So you only suppose that Rogers and Sinkewitz doped together, or you helped them?

 

[maltiv]

http://twitpic.com/cwfbd3

Looks like the Freiburg/Ferrari wonder lost a few watts when he left team Sky.

Let's take the one stage where he didn't ride well and use it as proof of his demise! Good idea, bro. What if you use the w/kg from the days where he actually rode well, or do you simply ignore data that contradicts your hypothesis?

The fact is that he looked just about as good as last year, with the exception of one bad day which might have been caused by the weather.

 

[Netserk]

He didn't look as good as last year. Not close.

Or was the ITT also just a bad day?

 

[McLovin]

He didn't look as good as last year. Not close.

Or was the ITT also just a bad day?

A different TT, a different day, different field, different duties, different age. A year it's not a perfect circle, a ring and get repetitive every year. Do you ever rode a bike? If you climb one mountain today, you, same you, same bike..will get the same time tomorrow? Try it and tell me, I'll trust you, no Strava.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Let's take the one stage where he didn't ride well and use it as proof of his demise! Good idea, bro. What if you use the w/kg from the days where he actually rode well, or do you simply ignore data that contradicts your hypothesis?

The fact is that he looked just about as good as last year, with the exception of one bad day which might have been caused by the weather.

Touched a nerve it seems?

The bold part is very interesting given the fact Rogers was like a machine a year ago, on stages like these:

and was blistering good in the TT. All year long. Must be the weather, yep, always a good excuse. The hayfever reverse.

And please, refrain the 'bro' type posts, I did not go to school with you.

But I may be subjective.

That could be true.

 

[SeriousSam]

Let's take the one stage where he didn't ride well and use it as proof of his demise! Good idea, bro. What if you use the w/kg from the days where he actually rode well, or do you simply ignore data that contradicts your hypothesis?

The fact is that he looked just about as good as last year, with the exception of one bad day which might have been caused by the weather.

Yeah, it's not conclusive and there is random and situational variation in performance, but c'mon. He hasn't looked just about as good as last year. He's looked worse.

 

[Netserk]

A different TT, a different day, different field, different duties, different age. A year it's not a perfect circle, a ring and get repetitive every year. Do you ever rode a bike? If you climb one mountain today, you, same you, same bike..will get the same time tomorrow? Try it and tell me, I'll trust you, no Strava.

I will ride it slower if I am weaker.

So you also think Rogers is weaker in this Dauphine than he was in last year's?

 

[maltiv]

Touched a nerve it seems?

Not at all, I couldn't care less about Rogers and I don't believe in Sky either. I just don't like bad arguments

Ok, Rogers was slightly worse this year than last, but given his illnesses this spring that's not really surprising at all. We've got a pretty damn long list if every rider who goes from finishing 2nd in a race to 6th in the same race after switching teams suddenly is a proof that said rider doped on his previous team.

 

[McLovin]

I will ride it slower if I am weaker.

So you also think Rogers is weaker in this Dauphine than he was in last year's?

Why are you weaker? Because you are not doped anymore? That's the only reason a guy can go slower than last year? That's why we are full of guys in their sixties who are wining pro cycling races including Tour de France? You make no sens at all, but here is clinic, and few know what they talk.

 

[Netserk]

Why are you weaker? Because you are not doped anymore? That's the only reason a guy can go slower than last year? That's why we are full of guys in their sixties who are wining pro cycling races including Tour de France? You make no sens at all, but here is clinic, and few know what they talk.

Have I once said that he isn't doped anymore???

The only thing I have argued is that he is weaker this year than last year. Do you agree?

 

[McLovin]

Have I once said that he isn't doped anymore???

The only thing I have argued is that he is weaker this year than last year. Do you agree?

The fashion here is to say that Sky have a better program than other teams, including Saxo, and that's why Rogers is not doing the same exact numbers. Rogers, a 34 years old rider, who began his success very young, at 25 being the first triple ITT WC. You were not marching on this idea? That's what it looked like. If not, my apologies.
On the other hand, why is this guy doped? What extraordinary result he achieved in last years? He was in a Sky train, a few k's more than Haggen. Big achievement. Really big. But he was on Sky, so we can't be wrong. A lot of discussion without a single fact to incriminate him. And on that stage to Morzine he didn't push for a second. In fact, he was behind Wiggins on Joux Plane, the whole climb.

 

[Galic Ho]

Is there a proof? Or it's an assumption? I guess after 2006 Sinkewitz and Bernucci were the only ones from Tmobile related to doping. On the other hand they got Pinnoti, Gerdeman, Martin, Cav...and I guess they can be stamp as clean riders. So you only suppose that Rogers and Sinkewitz doped together, or you helped them?

If you'd paid attention on the forum back in 2009 and 2010 all this would be old news to you.

This has been dealt with before. Looks like you were away those years.

 

[pmcg76]

Not at all, I couldn't care less about Rogers and I don't believe in Sky either. I just don't like bad arguments

Ok, Rogers was slightly worse this year than last, but given his illnesses this spring that's not really surprising at all. We've got a pretty damn long list if every rider who goes from finishing 2nd in a race to 6th in the same race after switching teams suddenly is a proof that said rider doped on his previous team.

Well I would think FGL is the king of stupid arguments so best just to ignore anything he posts. He and sniper(when they were here) were like the dumb and dumber of stupid arguments, period.

 

[McLovin]

If you'd paid attention on the forum back in 2009 and 2010 all this would be old news to you.

This has been dealt with before. Looks like you were away those years.

Ooh, so it's been proved here, on the forum in 2009 - 2010, by you guys that Rogers doped? So how did you do it? Camera inside Rogers' needle? Or he tweet by mistake a photo with him while getting a BOB? They must be some crazy years those 2009-10.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Well I would think FGL is the king of stupid arguments so best just to ignore anything he posts. He and sniper(when they were here) were like the dumb and dumber of stupid arguments, period.

Hey, Garmin fangirl number one is back. Kisses. When did you start watching cycling again? 1999 or was it 2000?

Cheerio,

Go and roam the interwebz for stage reports, some here actually saw the stages live. But hey, keep believing cycling is clean now.

Ok, Rogers was slightly worse this year than last, but given his illnesses this spring that's not really surprising at all. We've got a pretty damn long list if every rider who goes from finishing 2nd in a race to 6th in the same race after switching teams suddenly is a proof that said rider doped on his previous team.

Again, you people just seem not be informed at all. Rogers had his toncils removed last year and had some problems afterwards.

Bet fangirl PCMG76 knew that.

You are really on a roll here.