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Jon Jones had a suspicious OOC on 16 June and UFC have pulled him from the UFC 200 fight card. I can't find any speculation regarding the substance. When they fought before, both Cormier's and Jone's T/E ratios were upside-down, which is highly suspicious, but that was pre-USADA. UFC have announced Lesnar-Hunt will move to the headline fight, but I suppose there also remains the possibility that they could find someone mental enough to take a fight with Cormier on two day's notice (I'm thinking Alexander Gustaffson), presuming Cormier would agree to the switch. Jones' manager, in the meanwhile proclaims Bones is innocent.
 
StyrbjornSterki said:
Jon Jones had a suspicious OOC on 16 June and UFC have pulled him from the UFC 200 fight card. I can't find any speculation regarding the substance. When they fought before, both Cormier's and Jone's T/E ratios were upside-down, which is highly suspicious, but that was pre-USADA. UFC have announced Lesnar-Hunt will move to the headline fight, but I suppose there also remains the possibility that they could find someone mental enough to take a fight with Cormier on two day's notice (I'm thinking Alexander Gustaffson), presuming Cormier would agree to the switch. Jones' manager, in the meanwhile proclaims Bones is innocent.
Yeah, he's innocent alright...

His self destructive behavior will spell his doom.

It's too bad, I really enjoy watching him fight. He's one of the best I've ever seen but if he can't follow the rules in and out of the octagon, I'm afraid he'll be the MMA's version of Mike Tyson.. :confused:
 
Irondan said:
StyrbjornSterki said:
... Jones' manager, in the meanwhile proclaims Bones is innocent.
Yeah, he's innocent alright...

His self destructive behavior will spell his doom.

It's too bad, I really enjoy watching him fight. He's one of the best I've ever seen but if he can't follow the rules in and out of the octagon, I'm afraid he'll be the MMA's version of Mike Tyson.. :confused:
Quite an apt comparison, IMHO.

Anderson "The Spider" Silva volunteered to fill in for Jones, and White accepted. Silva last fought at light heavy in 2012 (UFC 153), when he defeated Stephan Bonner. Tate-Nunes moves to the top of the card.

I still haven't found an 'intelligent guess' what Jones's positive was for but White has said it was for two banned substances.

EDIT:
Jones is blaming tainted supplements but the supplement company wasted no time countering that it could not be their product because they use no banned substances and have extensive independent testing done.
 
Jones's B sample also came back positive. White says he tested for two different agents, which give me to believe he knows more about the particulars than he's letting on. White says he's not taking Jones's calls.

I still can't find even any educated guesses what it might have been (except peptides, which was a shot in the dark). This was Jones's sixth test of the year, which leaves the question, how did he suddenly come to fail? Did he fail to follow his customary program, did he decide this was a good time to try a new PED, or could USADA getting better at their job?
 
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JackRabbitSlims said:
That's a nice pile of cash!
I didn't remember that Dana White wasn't part of the original ownership group, but now that I reflect on the old days of the MMA I remember when the promoter was in huge financial difficulty, and even talked about shuttering the entire operation. I would assume that's when the White group took over now they're worth billions for their hard work and taking a gamble. What a great country! :D
 
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The ladies division is wild! I like that any one of them could win on any given night! So does AN get RR or HH now? AN looked WAY bigger than MT.
Last I heard him remark to it, Dana said R3 will get whomever wears the belt on her return. I haven't looked into Nunes's "street weight" but the Brazilians across the board are notorious for their weight-cutting.


The Ferttitas bought the UFC about UFC 40, but even with all their financial backing (read: dad's money), it stayed underwater until UFC 100 (hindered, no doubt, by widespread misunderstanding of the sport, which Zuffa have made great headway in correcting). If MMA Payout's estimate of 1-1.2m is accurate (actual numbers won't be available for weeks yet), UFC 200 will be no threat to eclipse UFC 100 as the high water mark for PPV sales (@1.6m). Which will leave speculation what might have been if Jones-Cormier II had come off, but Jones-Cormier I only sold 800,000 PPVs.


Both Rashad Evans and Chael Sonnen are saying Jon Jones tested positive for two estrogen-blockers. This is a possible indicator he was on post-cycle therapy, coming off a "cycle" of anabolic steroids. Natural Test production is depressed when on cycle, so symptoms of excessive estrogen, like gynecomastia (AKA ***'s tits), can appear immediately post-cycle, when the exogenous Test is withdrawn but before the testes have regained normal output.

On PCT, an anti-estrogen (SERM) typically is accompanied by hCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin), which mimics the natural luteinizing hormone to trigger the testes into resuming natural production all the sooner (a function of the HPG axis). When Jones said he was accused of taking something he couldn't even pronounce, hCG was the first banned substance I thought of.

AASs also would explain why his T/E ratio was as low as 0.19:1 during testing prior to Jones-Cormier I (UFC 182). The OOC might have been administered early enough into his PCT that endogenous Test production was still depressed but long enough into his course of diuretics that no exogenous Test remained. NSAC did a CIR test on account of the abnormal T/E, but it came back cleans.

In a recent Joe Rogan Experience podcast, Chael Sonnen tells the tale (which he alleges he heard from eye-witnesses) that USADA showed up unexpectedly at Jones's gym in the run-up to Jones-Johnson at UFC 187 (23 May, 2015), which never came off, on account of Jones's hit-and-run incident. The story alleges that Jones panicked at the approach of the USADA men and hid under the cage, thinking they'd leave once convinced he was not there. This was prior to the UFC signing with USADA, before fighters were obliged to keep the organisation apprised of their location, so there would have been no penalty for Jones being unlocatable. But instead of leaving, the USADA men took a seat and waited until the gym closed for the day and everyone (except Jones, hiding under the ring) went home for the night.

All of which only got Jones off the hook temporarily, because USADA got wind of how they had been duped, and moved Jones's name to the top of their hit list. Sonnen says they were so vexed, in fact, they figured Jones must have had to go to answer the call of nature at some point while he was in hiding, so they even tried (unsuccessfully?) to get a warrant to test the floor under the cage for Jones's urine.

Sonnen also speculates that this one positive was so far in advance of the match, and the OOCs were coming with such regularity, that there likely are other (possible) positives that USADA just haven't finished testing yet.
 
GSP's striking coach, Freddie Roach, claims Michael Bisping turned down a title defense against Georges.

USADA have said that as far as they are concerned, Brock Lesnar "remains subject to USADA testing and the UFC anti-doping policy," unless and until he informs the UFC that he has retired from their organisation.

ESPN are reporting that WME have contracted to keep Dana White on as president of the UFC for five years. White gets salary, plus a growth-based incentive, plus 9% of the net, plus ~$360m USD for his stake in Zuffa's ownership. Considering the UFC's recent annual net, this puts White in the same neighborhood as the commissioner of the USA's National Football League, Roger Goodell.
 
This is not Lesnar's first rodeo, and he's a wealthy man, so I figure there isn't a single reason Lesnar shouldn't be utilising the best masking technology available. So unless he simply got caught with his breeks down, I'm thinking this might be a sign USADA actually are making headway. At least in competitions where AASs are the PED of choice. Not sure the same can be said of those where blood vector doping predominates.

Dana's statements regarding Jon Jones's positive gave me to believe he somehow had learnt exactly which PEDs Bones had tested for, but he just wasn't saying. So I suspect the UFC are always notified of the particulars, officially or otherwise (perhaps a 'mole' at USADA), before the general public. And the UFC's statement regarding Lesnar's positive strikes me as very "lawerly," so reading between the lines, I think the particular PED(s) involved convinced them he was dirty and they're preparing to jettison Brock onto the Wanderlei Silva/Jon Jones dung heap.

The positive apparently was the fourth of the five OOCs administered in that one week, and Lesnar received letters from USADA stating the previous three results were cleans. So the operative question is, does "We will get to the bottom of this" mean "I didn't dope and I'll prove them wrong," or does it mean, "How come my masking failed one time out of five?"

Mark Hunt now is insisting on half of Lesnar's $2.5m USD purse, or all of it, depending who he's talking to.
 
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StyrbjornSterki said:
This is not Lesnar's first rodeo, and he's a wealthy man, so I figure there isn't a single reason Lesnar shouldn't be utilising the best masking technology available. So unless he simply got caught with his breeks down, I'm thinking this might be a sign USADA actually are making headway. At least in competitions where AASs are the PED of choice. Not sure the same can be said of those where blood vector doping predominates.

Dana's statements regarding Jon Jones's positive gave me to believe he somehow had learnt exactly which PEDs Bones had tested for, but he just wasn't saying. So I suspect the UFC are always notified of the particulars, officially or otherwise (perhaps a 'mole' at USADA), before the general public. And the UFC's statement regarding Lesnar's positive strikes me as very "lawerly," so reading between the lines, I think the particular PED(s) involved convinced them he was dirty and they're preparing to jettison Brock onto the Wanderlei Silva/Jon Jones dung heap.

The positive apparently was the fourth of the five OOCs administered in that one week, and Lesnar received letters from USADA stating the previous three results were cleans. So the operative question is, does "We will get to the bottom of this" mean "I didn't dope and I'll prove them wrong," or does it mean, "How come my masking failed one time out of five?"

Mark Hunt now is insisting on half of Lesnar's $2.5m USD purse, or all of it, depending who he's talking to.
Hunt is now demanding ALL of BL's purse!
 
Jon Jones is still playing dumb (or maybe he isn't playing): if anything Im a victim of my own ignorance

Scuttlebutt says Lesnar tested positive for Salmeterol, a corticosteroid used in asthma inhalers. If the results of his 'B' sample are back yet, I can't find them.

MMA Payout says that Anderson 'the Spider" Silva was paid $600,000 USD to take the short notice fight against Daniel Cormier. Cormier "only" would have been paid $1m USD in the fight against Jones, but since the belt no longer was at stake, and because the loss of Jones moved the fight down the card, White talked him down to half that to fight Silva. However, Middle Easy claims Silva's total compensation for the fight was nearer to $6m USD. Considering Silva's stature in the MMA community, and his fealty to White and the UFC, 6 mil sounds more plausible. And poor old Cormier didn't even get a bonus for the win! (I think he needs a better agent)

If you're also a Bellator fan, and have yet to see the results from Saturday last's Bellator 158 (in London's O2 stadium), ... SPOILER ALERT!

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Chris Cyborg's ex-husband, Cyborg Santos (cute how they got the matching cage names, innit?), got caught rushing in with his head down by eternity's all-time perfect flying knee, courtesy of Michael Page. Cyborg's immediate reaction was to turn around and fall to the canvas clutching his face. He clearly was conscious and capable of voluntary movement, but it looked rather like a 7-year-old boy in a schoolyard dust-up who'd just received his first bloody nose.

Except the bloody nose was the least of his miseries. Page had stoved in Santos' skull. Literally. Photos here (not for the feint of heart).

Michael Page resembles a welterweight Jon Jones, with blazing speed and Anderson Silva-like ability to meter distance to the opponent and dodge the incoming artillery. Definitely a man worth watching.
 
Well fancy that. Lesnar also tested positive for clomiphene. And not just in the one OOC, also in the fight day test.

So how did Lesnar test positive two tests in six with a drug that has a 5-7 day half life? Hopefully, that means USADA are getting better at their job, rather than Lesnar and Jones got sloppy with the masking.
 
And the dominoes continue to fall. USADA gives UFC featherweight contender Chad Mendes a 2-year suspension for a positive test for GHRP-6 (Growth Hormone-Releasing Hexapeptide) in a 17 May OOC.


In this article, Mirco Cro Cop tells that he confided his HGH use to a UFC official, the UFC official told him they could work it out, then ratted him out to USADA. Then to rub a little salt in the wound, USADA offered to go easier on him if he snitched on another dirty fighter.

Cro Cop will be following Wanderlei Silva to fight for Rizin in Japan (who do not recognise NSAC or USADA jurisdiction). Cro Cop might even have to face The Axe Murderer in the 3-stage tournament, which begins 25 September.

And not MMA related, but Jon Jones brother, Arthur Jones, an American pro football player, has been suspended by the NFL for testing positive for some yet unannounced PED. In accordance with the NFL's "incredibly harsh" anti-doping policy, brother Jones will have to sit out four matches.
 
Holm vs. Shevchinco was an entertaining fight. The woman's division is is tight in the top 10.

Barboza easily beat Melendez. Melindez is far from what he used to be, but Barboza looks like he could be really good...I guess we'll see.
 
Shevchinco's counterstriking was masterful. Past the first round, she read Holm like a book. Too bad for her UFC has no 125-pound women's division. I think she is undersized at bantamweight.

WWE has spoken again regarding Lesnar. The new 'loophole' is that their "wellness program" does not apply to part-time employees, such as Lesnar.

Mark Hunt has been making such a ruckus about the Lesnar fight that Jeff Novitzky himself rang him up and had a lengthy chat about it. Tygart reportedly called Hunt primarily to assure him that USADA did not knowingly let a doped Lesnar fight, they simply had no actionable information until after the event. And regardless of any punishment coming Lesnar's way, I rather doubt Hunt will receive any of the purse originally intended for Lesnar unless Hunt's contract had an "if my opponent gets caught doping" clause, and I don't think the UFC will see him as entitled to a winner's bonus if the outcome of the fight is changed to No Contest.

Bellator have signed the son of Kimbo Slice. 24-year old Kevin Ferguson Jr. (known as 'Baby Slice') is on the card for Bellator 160, 26 August. Baby Slice only had his first amateur MMA fight this past March, scoring a 1st-round TKO. Junior clocks in at about 175 pounds and intends fighting at welterweight. MMA fighting has a short personality piece on Baby Slice (written before Kimbo's death) here.
 
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Pics are out of Cyborg Santos after the surgery to put his skull back together. Plus x-rays with the hardware they used to secure all the pieces when they reassembled his jigsaw puzzle forehead. Not gruesome, but Frankenstein-ish.
HFS! That's ugly! Don't they have a 'cleaner' procedure for that type of fracture? It looks like they used spare pieces they found in the parts bin.
 
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"Big John" McCarthy appears to be leading the charge for rules reform in MMA at a meeting of the Association of Boxing Commissions. And he is the perfect man for the job because he was been with the UFC the pre-Zuffa days, and this won't be the first time he has been quite vocal about the need for change. In fact, in the early UFCs, the only judgement call the referee was allowed was whether the fighter was unconscious. So long as the fighter continued to exhibit voluntary movement, the ref was obliged to let the beating continue. McCarthy insisted on being able to stop the contest once a fighter was no longer intelligently defending himself. UFC was a much smaller and more tenuous promotion in those days, struggling to overcome a public perception of being positively barbaric, and Big John was one of its best-known personalities, so the promoters acquiesced.

His biggest emphasis in the new recommendations is protecting fighter's eyes. I haven't heard him doing this during UFC events (perhaps they won't allow it?) but ever since Travis Browne broke Matt Mitrone's eye socket with a finger poke, when he refs for Bellator, he repeatedly will admonish fighters, "up or closed, ...up or closed," meaning if they approach the opponent with their fists is open, then the fingers must be pointing up. Now he is proposing that the referee be permitted to penalize an offender who ignores multiple warnings, even if no eye poke or even a fingers-forward strike not contacting the eyes occurs.

This would be unprecedented, IMHO, from the standpoint that it is a penalty based on the potential that something bad could happen, rather than actually doing something bad. Which seems a bit shaky to me, but something needs to happen before fighters start losing eyesight. This change might not be the cure-all but at least it's an attempt, a first step. Bellator changed gloves a few years back to ones that force the hand into a curved position whenever the fighter isn't exerting to keep them straight, thinking it would reduce eye-pokes. It hasn't done that but it has dramatically reduced the incidence of broken hands. Maybe fighters would alter their style to accommodate the new rule, or maybe developments caused by the rule change will point to a better way.

The other change McCarthy is backing that I find interesting is the definition of when a fighter is grounded. He obviously is among the many who are tired of seeing fighters keeping one hand on the mat for as long as possible when they stand, expressly so their head will remain an illegal target for kicks. They're "gaming" the grounding rule, as it were. He wants the definition amended to both hands must be in contact.

He also spoke to heel kicks to the kidneys and grabbing the clavicle, which IMHO fall into the category of, "Why is that even a rule?" Like elbow strikes delivered from the 12 o'clock position, methinks they've seen too many chop-saki films. There's no one closer to the action than the referees, and I think they have a better feel for what is best for the fighter's safety than either the fight doctors or anybody who doesn't stand so close to the pain. Big John has been a professional referee for more than 20 years, and must have done literally thousands of MMA fights. I hope they defer to his judgement on this one.


jmdirt said:
HFS! That's ugly! Don't they have a 'cleaner' procedure for that type of fracture? It looks like they used spare pieces they found in the parts bin.
I guess when your skull is turned into a jigsaw puzzle, and the fragments are so numerous that many are not adjacent to solid bone that they can be anchored to, the options are limited. At least they peeled the skin of his face down to affect the repair, only leaving the one (enormous) scar across the top of his head. Otherwise, his face might now resemble Gerry Cheever's goalie's mask.

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Their scorecards are here. The white judge scored McGregor an 8-pt 3rd round.

McGregor might have got the "W" but it was somewhat pyrrhic. The KO he predicted in the 2nd never showed up, he kept having to run away from Diaz to keep from being knocked out himself, it was only the second time anyone had ever gone the distance with him (the first time in a 5-round fight), and he only won by split decision. A 1-pt change on any of the judges' cards and the decision would have been Diaz's.

It will be interesting to see whether Dana lets them have their rubber match.


Rumble Johnson is A BEAST. Like Joe Rogan said, "...good lord, that man is TERRIFYING."