Moderation

[Netserk]

But if someone knows that such nicknames cause offence, and then continues, or seeks out extra opportunities to use the names, they can be seen to be deliberately causing upset/annoyance.

Is acting in deliberate defiance of somebody's tendency to get upset not tantamount to deliberately annoying them?

No. That's handing a veto to whoever gets most easily upset.

That is to say, it is not in itself a sufficient condition.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Is asking somebody not to use a nickname really a veto on their right to comment on the racing?
Does civility and consideration not comprise part of conversation?

 

[Nick2413]

A small group of easily offended posters shouldn’t get to dictate what everyone else is allowed to say.

 

[AmRacer]

But if someone knows that such nicknames cause offence, and then continues, or seeks out extra opportunities to use the names, they can be seen to be deliberately causing upset/annoyance.

Is acting in deliberate defiance of somebody's tendency to get upset not tantamount to deliberately annoying them?

How do you know who, when and why nicknames are used the the way you describes?

 

[Netserk]

Is asking somebody not to use a nickname really a veto on their right to comment on the racing?
Does civility and consideration not comprise part of conversation?

I did not say it was a veto on their right to comment on the racing. It would be a veto on how you could refer to riders.

Civility and consideration is good, and everything good is good in moderation. Limitless civility and consideration gets taken advantage of. It's good to respect your fellow posters, for what's worthy of respect.

 

[Ripper]

But if someone knows that such nicknames cause offence, and then continues, or seeks out extra opportunities to use the names, they can be seen to be deliberately causing upset/annoyance.

Is acting in deliberate defiance of somebody's tendency to get upset not tantamount to deliberately annoying them?

Then there are some people who are too easily annoyed.

Take the two racers I tend to nickname the most. I'm not sure if I have directly offended someone with those nicknames. I cannot actually recall if someone wigged out or seemed directly offended because I called Vingo Vigomort or Pogi Pogo (perhaps someone did I've forgotten). Of course, perhaps that is part of the issue. Someone is offended, let some moderator know, then something is done about the nickname. In other words, we are reacting to an individual who does not like it when a racer gets a nickname they do not like. So we are catering to a small group who are easily offended?

If we have to carve off a sub forum that allows nicknames, analogous to the clinic, that would seem to be a step too far. And if a moderator needs to comb through the forum for every possibly offensive nickname for a bike racer, let would seem to be on your impossible task.

 

[Ripper]

No. That's handing a veto to whoever gets most easily upset.

That is to say, it is not in itself a sufficient condition.

This

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

My inclination is to share the opinion of Logic some pages back: we are here because we enjoy the sport, we only have the sport because there are riders (and we all know the risks and hardships that riders face, as well as the rewards) and so we owe them a basic respect, even if we don't like them.

Ally that mindset with the sense that once a joke ceases to be original it serves no purpose, and therefore I am somewhat bemused by the sense that it is of value to continue it (we have all stopped calling Indurain 'Singing' haven't we?)

I don't like the attitude that other people's irritation is of no relevance when the thing that causes it is gratuitous and unnecessary: I don't want to cast aspersions on those who have suggested otherwise in this discussion (I know nothing of your personalities outside of here), but the attitude strikes me as dismissive and arrogant.

So that is where I am coming from, but my position here doesn't mean that the forum runs to my mores: I want to serve, so I bear in mind what is said, while asking that people exercise consideration and restraint.

But that does not mean that there is open season on calling anyone anything: I liked ToS's categorisation above.

First THANKS Armchair for your continuing efforts

Abbreviations: that don't offend should be allowed - e.g. Pog, Vingo, Cav, G
they make rapid forum exchanges possible without making embarrassing spelling mistakes.

Externally recognized nicknames: Chicken, Shark, Dawg , Condor must be okay too.

Descriptive neologisms that emerge in the forum are part of our joy e.g Pidders - okay if not offensive or in bad taste.
Border-line cases:
Skeletor - you can actually see his ribs, like Chicken
Loudmouth - only if he/she actually shouts

Offensive triggers: Death/Mort Jerk Idiot ... and worse

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

But I would ask for withdrawal of Vingemort: if (yeah, the likelihood is thankfully remote, but) he were ever involved in a fatal incident, I would hate to be responsible for that name.

 

[Netserk]

But I would ask for withdrawal of Vingemort: if (yeah, the likelihood is thankfully remote, but) he were ever involved in a fatal incident, I would hate to be responsible for that name.

Understandable association, but as a play on Voldemort, it's only very indirectly related to death.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Understandable association, but as a play on Voldemort, it's only very indirectly related to death.

And maybe very few would make the connection, until ...

 

[QueenStagiaire]

But I would ask for withdrawal of Vingemort: if (yeah, the likelihood is thankfully remote, but) he were ever involved in a fatal incident, I would hate to be responsible for that name.

Ok, we will call him he-who-must-not-be-named then

 

[hrotha]

We're not here because "we enjoy the sport" - most people who enjoy the sport will never join a message board, online comment section, or similar media

We're here because we enjoy internet discussions about the sport, and the banter is an intrinsic part of that

 

[AmRacer]

We're not here because "we enjoy the sport" - most people who enjoy the sport will never join a message board, online comment section, or similar media

We're here because we enjoy internet discussions about the sport, and the banter is an intrinsic part of that

We are here because we are bored when they aren't racing.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

We are here because we are bored when they aren't racing.

like this afternoon?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

But once you know that annoyance is caused, you can make the choice not to continue in that vein.

 

[AmRacer]

But once you know that annoyance is caused, you can make the choice not to continue in that vein.

What if you don't know?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Can't aim for noone to be offended. Nor can you aim for noone to be annoyed.

Can't you? Can you not type something entirely neutral, like the guy's actual name?

 

[kingjr]

The thing about nicknames is, they stop being funny after they've been used about three times. Like most jokes on the internet and memes and the like, they far overstay their welcome.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Looks like there's nicknames discussion here and I probably contributed in this regard (inventing some of them i.e. Teddy or Skeletor). The latter was initially Skeleton (due to our hero being very light and skinny) but it sounded better with r (only later I recalled it's from He-man actually). Even some Vingo fans use it (and I don't overuse it now). Vingemort can be withdrawn, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[kingjr]

I find Uijtdebroecks name totally offensive for people with dyslexia to be honest.

If everything has to be completely neutral it just becomes a no fun allowed rule.

Uijtdebroeks*

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Voldegaard is a better name than Vingemort anyway.

 

[AmRacer]

Voldegaard is a better name than Vingemort anyway.

I have done some research and come to the conclusion,
Vingemört
, is the best name.

 

[RedheadDane]

We're not here because "we enjoy the sport" - most people who enjoy the sport will never join a message board, online comment section, or similar media

Speak for yourself!

I find Uijtdebroecks name totally offensive for people with dyslexia to be honest.

Is "Blobloblo" offensive?
And that's technically poking fun at Mas...

 

[Lequack]

So given that @Elos Anjos profile is not available anymore, it seems like they were ether permabanned, or have decided to delete the profile.

This is a shame, this forum is losing a lot of long standing great members because of these crazy bans, usually because of some small nonsense. It's really getting quite demotivating, but maybe that is what the admins want? To drive away their non-profitable forums. Or make them as advertisement friendly, punishing each small indiscretion.