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I though the motto was, "Come for the cycling, stay for the flame wars!" :)
Seriously, if people "play the ball and not the man" (as they say in soccer) then there's no problems.
Yes, but a large part of my displeasure is that many people aren't playing the ball for the game that we are playing.

I had to go check, but I am ignoring six people: two of which got too personal, four who just take away from my enjoyment. There are probably 10 more who I don't enjoy, but ignoring that many would make the discussion confusing.

EDIT: Make that seven, one more who is taking away from my enjoyment had to be ignored.
 
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I've been a member of several cycling forums over the years, usually German ones, and in terms of toxicity, this one is the tamest by far, considering the relatively high level of active users and the intensity of the discussions. For instance, the old Eurosport forum around 2006/2007, right before it went offline, was basically unmoderated and completely insane by today's standards (mostly due to the fallout of Op. Puerto), though great fun could be had there as well.

Regarding benefits, I think this is the best place for someone interested in pro cycling to visit, period. You get all the relevant news, information, rumours, discussions, expertise, and reading the race/stage threads is just a really great time, especially when crazy things happen, like Froome running up Mont Ventoux, or Pogacar winning the Tour on La Planche des Belles Filles.

So I hope Armchair stays as mod and others join him, and that, as a community, we can try to be less trigger-happy with the report button. Not everything that pisses us off needs to be deleted, even if it would be technically justified. At the same time, less needless provocation of users who are perhaps very passionate about certain riders would also be appreciated. There are ways to challenge their takes without being condescending or deliberately trying to wind them up.
Great post.
 
I’ve been wondering if the higher ups don’t want a forum to be associated with the site any more, unless it’s scrubbed perfectly clean and bright and shiny. It’s probably more of a liability than what it’s worth if their focus is on the main news page.

Well, I may be in the minority of the domain access, and if I can be completely honest, I for once don't give a d*** about cyclingnews anymore and I even get annoyed when by mistake I click in what I think is the home button of the forum and get redirected to the news website proper.

Cyclingnews was the first cycling website I got into back in 2008 and my daily source of news, still with that old classic layout that still can be accessible on autobus.cyclingnews.com.

Now the news usually come out after they get posted on other websites/twitter, I feel like they are written on a very superficial matter directed to casual fans and there are several other websites who are better at giving in depth articles and breaking news.

Getting rid of the forum would mean that I no longer would feel any need to access their domain.
 
Well, I may be in the minority of the domain access, and if I can be completely honest, I for once don't give a d*** about cyclingnews anymore and I even get annoyed when by mistake I click in what I think is the home button of the forum and get redirected to the news website proper.

Cyclingnews was the first cycling website I got into back in 2008 and my daily source of news, still with that old classic layout that still can be accessible on autobus.cyclingnews.com.

Now the news usually come out after they get posted on other websites/twitter, I feel like they are written on a very superficial matter directed to casual fans and there are several other websites who are better at giving in depth articles and breaking news.

Getting rid of the forum would mean that I no longer would feel any need to access their domain.
Pretty sure the original owner didnt have the highest opinion of thebforum and its users.

Id assume its kept around cause it pays for itself and a little extra
 
Especially since tr*lling has become the MO for too many members.

IMO:
-The overall forum tone has become very negative.
--stupid racers, teams, courses, tactics, boring racers/races...
-Rider threads are loaded with more discussion about who a racer can't be/will never be, than actual discussion about the racer.
-Race threads are loaded with more discussion about what a racer can't win than what they just won.

Hence why most of my posts are just 'congrats'.

This has always been the forum and is mostly done pretty tongue in cheek.

Without this banter the forum would be a much duller place, perhaps akin to having afternoon tea with your grandmother.
 
OK So I stepped into a vacuum left when other moderators stepped down.
I put up my philosophy of what I would aim to do, and got 24 positive responses for it
I tried to establish a consensus on what is acceptable, but none was forthcoming.

I examine every report I receive in context, from the point of view of somebody who enjoys cycling largely because it does not demand a blind partisanship in the way that many other sports do. In looking at context, I sometimes see posts that are problematic, or that contributed to, or resulted from, the reported one, so may act on those. I still tend to stay away from those threads that don't interest me unless I am directed there by reports. I receive far more reports than those that I warn or sanction, and tend to believe that if some think I am being too strict, and others that I am not harsh enough, I am probably about as close to the right path as is possible.

I know that past moderation here has been far more lax than the forum providers would want, and I have seen the much stricter interventions that the site administrators apply. I have tried to steer a path between the two, and (apart from one totally egregious case that got an instant permaban, and one case of not my not being familiar with automated responses which was quickly fixed) nobody has had any suspension without prior warning and being advised to desist from a course of actions. I have also very rarely escalated the sanctions to the degree that the advice to moderators suggests.

I have therefore done my best to make a middle way between what the providers want and what users are used to; a balance between banter and abuse. If there is such a thing as a perfect way of doing that, I probably have not hit it every time: I doubt there is, so I can only draw that line where I see fit, bearing all things, including constructive criticism (but not accusations of bias) into account.

But I only want to do this voluntary role as a service to the community here, and if what I do is not seen as such, I shall step down. So for the next 48 hours, I shall only do approvals and stickying. If people want lawless bearpit, then as far as I am concerned they can have it for 48 hours (I will act if there is an extreme breach, but not for what is typical): if people do not trust my judgement, they can be freed from it for a couple of days.

So, at 11:30 (UK time) on Sunday, I shall count the thumbs up or angry faces on this post: I shall consider a thumbs up to be a request that I stay (not as necessarily agreeing with everything I do: I understand that) and an angry face as a vote that I step down (again, I shall not assume that you are necessarily angry at me, just that you don't share my judgements). I shall step down immediately if the balance is that I should do so: I shall remain, still willing to receive constructive criticism (although encouragement might be nice as well), if the majority ask me to continue. Please don't confuse the issue with other emojis.

If continuing, I would very much like to have other moderators alongside me, and if I am stepping down, I hope someone (or better, a team) can step up that can meet the expectations of both the membership and the providers.
22 thumbs up (zero other)...looks like your contract has been extended. :p