Moderators

[Ulle Relaxes]

In short the internet is a dictatorship not a democracy.

 

[ElChingon]

In short the internet is a dictatorship not a democracy.

Relax Ulle, don't do it, unless you have to go.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

It doesn't take a genius to find flaws in anything, or run around pointing out everyone else mistakes or little contradictions. Or would you all prefer that there be no mods at all? The whole forum be one big free for all?

And no, I haven't walked a mile in Lance's shoes. Barack Obama, Kim Jong-un, or OJ Simpson either. But I'm far from their biggest critic on here. But when I do make statements on Lance it's usually compared to others in his field, or his ability or inability to follow the letter of the law, or sporting rules with which he is associated. If you feel the need to just rip my moderation style to shreds, I ask what you are comparing me to? What you honestly expect of me? And why do you believe I have failed at that? Why you believe being a moderator here is easy work is beyond me. Remember, I volunteer my time here, as do all mods and administrators sans Susan who works freelance for CN.

 

[ChrisE]

it doesn't take a genius to find flaws in anything, or run around pointing out everyone else mistakes or little contradictions. or would you all prefer that there be no mods at all? The whole forum be one big free for all?

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yes yes yes!!! Please!!!!!

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Or would you all prefer that there be no mods at all? The whole forum be one big free for all?
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No, no. Please not. Otherwise we would have to grapple with more nonsense posts like those of the member who posted before me.

It would end up like espn.

 

[Anonymous]

It doesn't take a genius to find flaws in anything, or run around pointing out everyone else mistakes or little contradictions. Or would you all prefer that there be no mods at all? The whole forum be one big free for all?

And no, I haven't walked a mile in Lance's shoes. Barack Obama, Kim Jong-un, or OJ Simpson either. But I'm far from their biggest critic on here. But when I do make statements on Lance it's usually compared to others in his field, or his ability or inability to follow the letter of the law, or sporting rules with which he is associated. If you feel the need to just rip my moderation style to shreds, I ask what you are comparing me to? What you honestly expect of me? And why do you believe I have failed at that? Why you believe being a moderator here is easy work is beyond me. Remember, I volunteer my time here, as do all mods and administrators sans Susan who works freelance for CN.

Alpe, it's just trolling.

Now he's got Foxxy all wound up. It's what he does.

 

[ggusta]

He got banned on the forum, then got a longer ban for harrasing cn writers on twitter over the incident and comparing the moderation team to the German National Socialist party.

I banned myself from this forum. These mods can have it.

 

[Ulle Relaxes]

Make me a mod.

I will be the enlightened despot you always desired.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I realize that Scott, but I am trying to remain civil.

If anyone wishes to have a forum be a free for all, with foul language, insults and all, there are several other forums out there to fit that need. Cycling Forums for example seems to have few, if any restrictions.

 

[mewmewmew13]

yes yes yes!!! Please!!!!!

Chris why don't you just start your own forum?
Free reign

 

[patricknd]

unfortunately, with my workload being what it is right now, i am unable to offer my services as a moderator. maybe you should take scribe up on his offer.

 

[palmerq]

he will need some references first of all :S

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Reliable references.

 

[patricknd]

Reliable references.

well that hurt

 

[straydog]

Some things never change do they?

I've been away for a while on a self imposed ban. A bit of space has given me the following perspective: This place is absolutely one huge waste of of all our time. And I mean that in the nicest possible way, I really do. That's kind of it's purpose. As a diversion. To waste some time. To "discuss", to swap jokes, to rant, and some just to troll.

Honestly, none of us have ever changed another's mind about anything. We all come on here believing what we believe. We "hate" who we hate and "love" who we love. The Mods will always get bashed, if us "fanboys" think the tone of the place is a bit "anti" (which it is, by the way) we get our panties in a wad, and likewise if the "haterz" think not enough of us "fanboys" are getting banned, they get really really whiny and start accusing the mods and CN of being in the employ of Livestrong.

I'd be pretty interested to see, outside of the mushroom farm, how many complaints are thrown the mod's way. I hazard a guess that much of their time is taken up with clinic regulars being told to kiss and make up, and I doubt many people in the Pro Road racing forum are reaching for the "report post" button every time someone calls Evans a wheel sucker.

So, in effect, we're the problem...us...the posters...I admit, that CN having a "clinic" at all, does mean that they are tacitly endorsing people to come online and throw around any unsavoury speculation they wish, and long term i suspect that might be it's undoing. Wonder why we get those random ads now? Do you really think that big name cycling sponsors want their ads displayed on pages accusing their riders past and present of being juiced to the eyeballs.

Chris, I share your frustrations sometimes, I really do, and god knows I have had a few run ins with Alpe D'Huez myself, but I do have to stick up for the mods a bit here. They are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. I would, for transparent fairness' sake, like to see a well known out of the closet "fanboy" being made a mod (not me, I'd be awful and would ban everyone apart from Polish, Chris, Ulrich Relaxes and RaceRadio and then sit back and watch if they could break him down (or should that be: in?) ) I don't see what mods can honestly do, apart from that, to improve things when the clinic exists. It's very nature is going to attract conflict, unrest, name calling and whingeing.

Alpe D'Huez...one thing I would add, and i have said this before, is that I do think balance needs to be monitored closely, with respect to moderating. All views should be welcome, and all posters should be free to express themselves in as free a way as is possible, that after all is what would make this place truly a "community", rather than how it is more and more often becoming seen outside of here, which is as a cult.

As a suggestion, why don't we try bans from particular sub forums? That way we don't lose the really worthy and funny input from TFF, or Chris E, Polish or even, may I say it, myself from all of the forums for calling python a plank or posting porn links or whatever our transgression may be?

Here's another suggestion...why not temporarily ban whole sub forums if the behaviour gets out of hand? for example...Chris E tears LarryBudelman a new one in the politics forum when he finds out he's actually Rick Santorum, it all kicks off, The hitch misquotes 42 whole pages of the Art of War and someone says it's all a conspiracy started by Armstrong...why not simply say...ok...you've had your fun. No more politics for a week until you learn to play nice. One of you misbehaves, you all go to the sin bin.

i don't think practically it would work long term, but it'd be interesting to see how much your workload decreased if certain threads were out of action for a while.

Anyway, Peace everyone. To quote someone far funnier than me...this place is like a broken pencil....pointless. Let's try and remember that.

On that note, I'm off to start a Lemond doping thread.

 

[Ulle Relaxes]

I wanted adoration from milfs I would've stayed on livestrong forums. Instead I'm busting my *** on this forum. What are you on?

 

[straydog]

I wanted adoration from milfs I would've stayed on livestrong forums. Instead I'm busting my *** on this forum. What are you on?

ha ha....Warsteiner and chasers...the fuel of champions and Floydy

 

[straydog]

Some things never change do they?

....followed by a detailed, fair and reasonable response to all things CN forum and moderation.....

ok...I take it all back!

Well, not entirely, but I do have a question for Ferminal. In the thread you recently closed, regarding a supposed deal between WTC Ironman and Armstrong over them not dope testing him, you deleted a ream of posts, including mine, and whilst most of them I can absolutely see had veered way off topic, were descending into the usual name calling etc (hands up, I was a wee bit drunk), and included a particular offensive statement about Armstrong's mental state and his children....well before all of that started, I posted a link to Julie Diben's (multi Ironman 70.3 winner and world champion) twitter feed that included her response to someone asking if it was usual for podium finishers not to be tested...to which she had replied that yes, it was pretty usual

Ok, were I a conspiracy theorist, I would suggest that this post was taken down because it kind of debunked the whole tenor of the original question within the thread. As a conspiracy theorist, I might also suggest that the fact that Ferminal had himself contributed to the thread and made it pretty clear which side of the "argument" he was on, was the reason for deleting what was a completely relevant, and some might even say, "match winning" post.

Of course I would only think any of the above if I was a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, so I am sure there is a perfectly reasonable reason as to why the post was removed and I look forward to hearing what it was

Peace

 

[straydog]

ok...I take it all back!

....followed by some thinly veiled whingeing....

Ok...as you were....I appreciate the quick response and return of the post by the mods...honestly


p.s. Am I the only person debating here? I need to get out more....

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

As a suggestion, why don't we try bans from particular sub forums?

Here's another suggestion...why not temporarily ban whole sub forums if the behaviour gets out of hand?

Both of those suggestions would require either coding beyond anyone's knowledge, or for mods to spend probably 10 times the amount of time they already do to make sure the posts are in order and offenders were not breaking the rule.

Even then, if someone banned from a sub forum and posted there, and we deleted the post, at least a few people will be here posting that what we're doing isn't fair, isn't balanced, the person should be allowed to post, didn't post anything wrong, etc. etc. etc.

 

[straydog]

Both of those suggestions would require either coding beyond anyone's knowledge, or for mods to spend probably 10 times the amount of time they already do to make sure the posts are in order and offenders were not breaking the rule.

Even then, if someone banned from a sub forum and posted there, and we deleted the post, at least a few people will be here posting that what we're doing isn't fair, isn't balanced, the person should be allowed to post, didn't post anything wrong, etc. etc. etc.

I get the first point...fair enough...but would it really be that difficult to temporarily suspend...let's say the politics thread....or the clinic...and let us all know that it's our privilege as members and not our right to post.

I am thinking a bit on my feet here I admit it. But, and this is where I truly sympathise with you mods, things can pretty rapidly degenerate to unreadability here sometimes, and I am sure I have been guilty of contributing to that occasionally. If I was completely new here, now at this moment in time, and didn't have posters I enjoy reading or discussing with, then honestly I don't think I'd come near the place after reading on any number of bad days that seem all too common of late. I don't think the general air is particularly inviting to newbies in some threads. Hey, this is all a bit rhetorical and existentially angsty I know, so I'm not expecting a response, but...you know...just my tuppence worth.


Seriously though dude?...Ghost?

 

[Ferminal]

ok...I take it all back!

Well, not entirely, but I do have a question for Ferminal. In the thread you recently closed, regarding a supposed deal between WTC Ironman and Armstrong over them not dope testing him, you deleted a ream of posts, including mine, and whilst most of them I can absolutely see had veered way off topic, were descending into the usual name calling etc (hands up, I was a wee bit drunk), and included a particular offensive statement about Armstrong's mental state and his children....well before all of that started, I posted a link to Julie Diben's (multi Ironman 70.3 winner and world champion) twitter feed that included her response to someone asking if it was usual for podium finishers not to be tested...to which she had replied that yes, it was pretty usual

Ok, were I a conspiracy theorist, I would suggest that this post was taken down because it kind of debunked the whole tenor of the original question within the thread. As a conspiracy theorist, I might also suggest that the fact that Ferminal had himself contributed to the thread and made it pretty clear which side of the "argument" he was on, was the reason for deleting what was a completely relevant, and some might even say, "match winning" post.

Of course I would only think any of the above if I was a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, so I am sure there is a perfectly reasonable reason as to why the post was removed and I look forward to hearing what it was

Peace

If people report a post yet proceed to reply to it, discuss it etc, you leave moderators with little choice. If a post is actually offensive, one would report it and not respond (this would have been the reason your post was deleted as it was a quote/response to offending content). So the choice is 1) Take no action 2) Spend half an hour filtering posts 3) Nuke the thread. If I had more time I would've gone 2, but the thread looked pretty terminal.

But I am interested to hear what "side" I was on...

 

[Hugh Januss]

Ok...as you were....I appreciate the quick response and return of the post by the mods...honestly


p.s. Am I the only person debating here? I need to get out more....

So that post is back and the thread is closed, so nobody can point out that of course, another Ironman 70.3 star would not be tested because WTC owns the entire thing and they don't have to test anybody if they don't want to.
But cool, continue.....

 

[LarryBudMelman]

I love you Lance! Blind love!

So Spayed Dog's post is back and the thread is closed, so nobody can point out that of course, another Ironman 70.3 star would not be tested because WTC owns the entire thing and they don't have to test anybody if they don't want to.
But cool, continue.....

They're just keeping with the current theme of the endurance sports world, coverups!

 

[Race Radio]

I posted a link to Julie Diben's (multi Ironman 70.3 winner and world champion) twitter feed that included her response to someone asking if it was usual for podium finishers not to be tested...to which she had replied that yes, it was pretty usual

Not exactly. She responded that in smaller races it is common not to have testing, meaning no testing at all.

It is unusual for the procedure to suddenly change from top three to 4th and some randoms, which is why the guy who has been a Pro for over 10 years commented on how unusual it was.