Money Laundering & Doping In Italy. Armstrong, Menchov named

[Oldman]

I'm starting to think there's more money in dope dealing than winning races. Might explain Menchovs inconsistency over the years.

Been paying attention to Mexico lately? There's more money in drugs than any legitimate business. Costs are based on human frailties, completely.

 

[Benotti69]

Been paying attention to Mexico lately? There's more money in drugs than any legitimate business. Costs are based on human frailties, completely.

The Mexican body count certainly proves this to be the case.

 

[la.margna]

Neuchatel = Biver IMG

 

[L'arriviste]

Neuchatel = Biver IMG

... = Biver = Schlecks = Swiss Bank Accounts = Fuentes

There's definitely an excellent mind map diagram to be made from all this!

 

[Cimacoppi49]

While there may have been $millions in Menchov's accounts, do we know that the money was all his or was he also acting for others with the money?

Any comment yet from Fabiani, other than via the Pit Boys here?

 

[Anonymous]

Reports coming in that Lux police have readed the Leopard HQ as well as Becca's home. No idea if its related.

http://www.luxprivat.lu/News/EILMEL...n-auch-das-Gebaeude-mit-dem-Leopard-Trek-Sitz

looks from the report as a seperate investigation into becca and his finances, but the timing is "convenient"

 

[BroDeal]

Reports coming in that Lux police have readed the Leopard HQ as well as Becca's home. No idea if its related.

http://www.luxprivat.lu/News/EILMEL...n-auch-das-Gebaeude-mit-dem-Leopard-Trek-Sitz

looks from the report as a seperate investigation into becca and his finances, but the timing is "convenient"

Michael Ball did not leave cycling. He changed his name and moved to Luxembourg.

 

[webvan]

... = Biver = Schlecks = Swiss Bank Accounts = Fuentes

There's definitely an excellent mind map diagram to be made from all this!

What's the connexion between Biver and the Schlecks? Biver was the GM of Astana when hell broke loose in 2007 and he worked with Evans and Rominger.

 

[L'arriviste]

What's the connexion between Biver and the Schlecks? Biver was the GM of Astana when hell broke loose in 2007 and he worked with Evans and Rominger.

When the first rumours arose in Spring 2010 about the Schleck Brothers Luxembourg spin-off that eventually became Leopard, Biver (also Luxemburgish) was the guy pencilled in to put that team together. He eventually renounced involvement, continued at Astana and has been a bit disparaging about Andrew in particular since then.

 

[webvan]

ok, but wasn't he fired from Astana in 2008 ?!

An interesting interview (in French) : http://www.sofoot.com/blogs/pedale/les-schleck-n-ont-pas-d-intelligence-de-course-145226.html - does say the Schlecks have no clue. Given his involvement in the Astana 2007 fiasco he could be a bit lower profile..

 

[arthurvandelay]

That's always been my guess

That a guy like Menchov supposedly had 2.4 million euros seized says that this more then just interval workouts.....it also points to more then just drugs for personal use.

There are a large number of people caught up in this. Wide scale distribution of drugs is the focus, more then individual riders.

I think you are spot on, RR. In the US dealing in illicit PEDs (anabolic steroids, EPO, etc.) is being targeted by the feds as being a bigger problem than abuse or sale of illegal "recreational" drugs like cocaine or heroin. It would make sense that enormous profits could be attained by trafficking in these substances. This (in my mind at least) hints at what is behind much of the US Feds investigation of LA et al: we are not just talking about diverting a few ampuls of EPO here and there.

 

[L'arriviste]

ok, but wasn't he fired from Astana in 2008 ?!

An interesting interview (in French) : http://www.sofoot.com/blogs/pedale/les-schleck-n-ont-pas-d-intelligence-de-course-145226.html - does say the Schlecks have no clue. Given his involvement in the Astana 2007 fiasco he could be a bit lower profile..

Quite right, my mistake. Apparently he now runs a small sports representation agency and is president of a triathlon org. Pretty quiet, really. Both of these he does in Switzerland.

 

[L'arriviste]

I think you are spot on, RR. In the US dealing in illicit PEDs (anabolic steroids, EPO, etc.) is being targeted by the feds as being a bigger problem than abuse or sale of illegal "recreational" drugs like cocaine or heroin. It would make sense that enormous profits could be attained by trafficking in these substances. This (in my mind at least) hints at what is behind much of the US Feds investigation of LA et al: we are not just talking about diverting a few ampuls of EPO here and there.

+1. And with those figures, it's definitely not isolated to cycling either. All the big doping ring cases focusing on cycling have also involved other sports. It's just that this angle on the story never seems to get any coverage.

 

[Race Radio]

+1. And with those figures, it's definitely not isolated to cycling either. All the big doping ring cases focusing on cycling have also involved other sports. It's just that this angle on the story never seems to get any coverage.

I have heard of broader links to central European mafia, who seem to control much of that trade these days

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Neuchatel = Biver IMG

Nice connection - and there was another company of interest based there:

Zeus Sarl is a small company based in Neuchatel, Switzerland, which specializes in organizing sporting events and representing athletes. Astana manager Marc Biver is also head of the company.

This quote from Biver in 2007 is interesting. Not just the names he worked with, but helping the Swiss Federation.

"Around 1992 I signed my first client in cycling, who was Toni Rominger. Then I signed Dufaux, Zuelle, Pascal Richard and many others. This was my first [professional] involvement in cycling. Then when Rominger quit the sport, he came to the company and we had the opportunity to buy the rights of the Tour de Suisse and to help the Swiss federation, which was almost bankrupt. And so we signed a 12 year deal to get the rights to that event.

"Two years later, we also organised the Tour de Romandie. So," he smiled, "I have a good idea what cycling is about."

 

[Anonymous]

Nice connection - and there was another company of interest based there:



This quote from Biver in 2007 is interesting. Not just the names he worked with, but helping the Swiss Federation.

so now we know how lance covering up his positive at the Tour du Suisse was so much easier.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Fabiani--No Comment

Mark Fabiani, an Armstrong attorney, had no comment on the Corriere della Sera report.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...s_lance_ties_with_dope_doc.html#ixzz1YhAkJBTD

Can't help but think Fabiani and his boys are just waiting for indictments to hit.

 

[thehog]

so now we know how lance covering up his positive at the Tour du Suisse was so much easier.

There was a long while when the TdS refused to particpate in doping controls. I think it was around the 2001 is when they started testing for the first time.

 

[thehog]

Mark Fabiani, an Armstrong attorney, had no comment on the Corriere della Sera report.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...s_lance_ties_with_dope_doc.html#ixzz1YhAkJBTD

Can't help but think Fabiani and his boys are just waiting for indictments to hit.

I was really wanting a statement with words like:

"extraordinarily shoddy"
"reckless and unprofessional"
"vicious hit-and-run job"
"vindicated"

 

[MacRoadie]

I was really wanting a statement with words like:

"extraordinarily shoddy"
"reckless and unprofessional"
"vicious hit-and-run job"
"vindicated"

Mark Fabiani, an Armstrong attorney, had no comment on the Corriere della Sera report. Last month, Fabiani said, "It's been very quiet" with regard to the government's investigation of Armstrong.

Isn't "very quiet" what they wanted?

 

[Benotti69]

Mark Fabiani, an Armstrong attorney, had no comment on the Corriere della Sera report.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...s_lance_ties_with_dope_doc.html#ixzz1YhAkJBTD

Can't help but think Fabiani and his boys are just waiting for indictments to hit.

Doubt they care as long as the cheques keep coming and dont bounce.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Doubt they care as long as the cheques keep coming and dont bounce.

Likely this will mean a reduction of Fabiani's duties until there is an indictment. He may still not have all that much to do if the trial judge slaps a gag order on everyone. Fabani is not a top criminal defense lawyer of whom Armstrong has hired a gaggle. With nothing for Fabiani to say or do pending an indictment, it means the real show begins soon. The lull before the storm appears to be now.

So, clean the crystal, select your wine, get comfortable and prepare to uncork.

I'm going camping this weekend. Hope I can still get cell coverage. Wouldn't want to miss the start of the show. Note: When camping, it is preferable to sit back and sip Hennessy when stuff hits the fan.

 

[Frosty]

Mr Ferrari gives his side of the story

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=100

 

[BroDeal]

Mr Ferrari gives his side of the story

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=article&id=100

- my son Stefano is administering a website which offers personalized training consultancy to various cyclists and triathletes; Lance Armstrong is among them.

So Armstrong is still being trained by a Ferrari.

 

[Race Radio]

So Armstrong is still being trained by a Ferrari.

OMG! Polish is actually Ferrari!?!?!

Comedy on that website