More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky)

[thehog]

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so the thread is called "More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky)" yet all I've seen is Rolland have a wee moan...top work guys

#botlogic
#wehaveawinner

 

[rick james]

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so the thread is called "More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky)" yet all I've seen is Rolland have a wee moan...top work guys

#botlogic
#wehaveawinner

show me more riders complaining then..

 

[42x16ss]

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so the thread is called "More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky)" yet all I've seen is Rolland have a wee moan...top work guys

#botlogic
#wehaveawinner

show me more riders complaining then..

From last year's Dauphine:

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/fragment/dan-martin-quietly-building-some-superb-form

"Sky's tempo was hard on Méribel, so I just waited for the right moment to attack. It was the right decision to go inside the last kilometer, as I got a gap on Contador and the others and gained a few seconds.

 

[StryderHells]

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so the thread is called "More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky)" yet all I've seen is Rolland have a wee moan...top work guys

#botlogic
#wehaveawinner

show me more riders complaining then..

From last year's Dauphine:

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/fragment/dan-martin-quietly-building-some-superb-form

"Sky's tempo was hard on Méribel, so I just waited for the right moment to attack. It was the right decision to go inside the last kilometer, as I got a gap on Contador and the others and gained a few seconds.

And another one

“The Joux Plane is not an easy climb and at the pace [Sky] set it was quite hard to do anything from it,” said BMC’s Richie Porte. “Geraint Thomas set a place that was basically impossible to attack off"

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

so the thread is called "More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky)" yet all I've seen is Rolland have a wee moan...top work guys

#botlogic
#wehaveawinner

show me more riders complaining then..

From last year's Dauphine:

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/fragment/dan-martin-quietly-building-some-superb-form

"Sky's tempo was hard on Méribel, so I just waited for the right moment to attack. It was the right decision to go inside the last kilometer, as I got a gap on Contador and the others and gained a few seconds.

Yip cause dan martin was always going to attack from the bottom of the climb :lol:

 

[hrotha]

I don't think Dan Martin's comment qualifies as a complaint about the tempo, but nice to see you're willing to move the goalposts immediately. Save us all the time.

 

[rick james]

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so the thread is called "More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky)" yet all I've seen is Rolland have a wee moan...top work guys

#botlogic
#wehaveawinner

show me more riders complaining then..

From last year's Dauphine:

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/fragment/dan-martin-quietly-building-some-superb-form

"Sky's tempo was hard on Méribel, so I just waited for the right moment to attack. It was the right decision to go inside the last kilometer, as I got a gap on Contador and the others and gained a few seconds.

And another one

“The Joux Plane is not an easy climb and at the pace [Sky] set it was quite hard to do anything from it,” said BMC’s Richie Porte. “Geraint Thomas set a place that was basically impossible to attack off"

so we've had 3 riders say sky set a good tempo....clutching at straws

 

[gillan1969]

Re: More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky

The joux plane is not an easy climb, so when SKY put their Spring Classics guy on the front we.....

 

[Dan2016]

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show me more riders complaining then..

From last year's Dauphine:

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/fragment/dan-martin-quietly-building-some-superb-form

"Sky's tempo was hard on Méribel, so I just waited for the right moment to attack. It was the right decision to go inside the last kilometer, as I got a gap on Contador and the others and gained a few seconds.

And another one

“The Joux Plane is not an easy climb and at the pace [Sky] set it was quite hard to do anything from it,” said BMC’s Richie Porte. “Geraint Thomas set a place that was basically impossible to attack off"

so we've had 3 riders say sky set a good tempo....clutching at straws

What would your threshold be? How many quotes would you need in order to believe it?

Best to set your criteria innit.

 

[StryderHells]

Adam Yates

"It was another strong showing from Sky, the rode a real hard tempo on that last climb. What more can you do?"

 

[42x16ss]

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show me more riders complaining then..

From last year's Dauphine:

http://www.sbs.com.au/cyclingcentral/fragment/dan-martin-quietly-building-some-superb-form

"Sky's tempo was hard on Méribel, so I just waited for the right moment to attack. It was the right decision to go inside the last kilometer, as I got a gap on Contador and the others and gained a few seconds.

And another one

“The Joux Plane is not an easy climb and at the pace [Sky] set it was quite hard to do anything from it,” said BMC’s Richie Porte. “Geraint Thomas set a place that was basically impossible to attack off"

so we've had 3 riders say sky set a good tempo....clutching at straws

So exactly what you asked for suddenly isn't evidence?

 

[hrotha]

I don't think saying the tempo was high is the same as complaining about Sky's tempo being too high. Any statements you cite here need to show frustration or disbelief, like Basso's original comments. Otherwise it's just race commentary. Adam Yates' comment might qualify.

 

[carolina]

But they can maintain the sky tempo, they just can't attack. So... they're basically saying that they can ride at exactly the same pace as sky...

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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What would your threshold be? How many quotes would you need in order to believe it?

Best to set your criteria innit.

Always best to set the criteria.

Anyone want to wager on the over under?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

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So exactly what you asked for suddenly isn't evidence?

 

[King Of Molehill]

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But they can maintain the sky tempo, they just can't attack. So... they're basically saying that they can ride at exactly the same pace as sky...

Using the term 'tempo' seems a bit misleading for this thread. 'On the rivet' was the common term for this style of riding, back in the day. Maybe it needs to come back? So instead of saying 'Team Sky rode a hard tempo that no one could attack' we could say 'Team Sky put everyone on the rivet'. In my opinion 'tempo climbing' means a steady pace that the majority of climbers can follow, the best can attack from. Saying easy or hard tempo is subjective. Putting everyone 'on the rivet' however, immediately conjures up images of riders getting spit out the back, barely hanging on and unable to attack.

 

[StryderHells]

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But they can maintain the sky tempo, they just can't attack. So... they're basically saying that they can ride at exactly the same pace as sky...

Using the term 'tempo' seems a bit misleading for this thread. 'On the rivet' was the common term for this style of riding, back in the day. Maybe it needs to come back? So instead of saying 'Team Sky rode a hard tempo that no one could attack' we could say 'Team Sky put everyone on the rivet'. In my opinion 'tempo climbing' means a steady pace that the majority of climbers can follow, the best can attack from. Saying easy or hard tempo is subjective. Putting everyone 'on the rivet' however, immediately conjures up images of riders getting spit out the back, barely hanging on and unable to attack.

That's so true! When Postal were doing this on the climbs the word tempo wasn't really being used but I do remember 'On the rivet' and 'infernal pace' used quite often.

 

[Dan2016]

On-the-rivet is a great term, I use it a lot, but 'tempo' is probably more accurate for this thread.
On-the-rivet is the same as eyeballs-out and biting-the-handlebars. I started cycling on a bike with the old riveted saddle. On-the-rivet meant the sliding forward on the saddle we do when we're eyeballs-out...you would slide onto the saddle rivet.
Skygollum tempo riding isn't eyeballs-out though. Riders can attack out of it, it's just that they very quickly hit the wall and come back to the group.

 

[Dan2016]

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What would your threshold be? How many quotes would you need in order to believe it?

Best to set your criteria innit.

Always best to set the criteria.

Anyone want to wager on the over under?

Yeah, can't see any criteria being offered any time soon...it would ruin all his fun of quotes being offered and then changing the goalposts.

 

[Benotti69]

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What would your threshold be? How many quotes would you need in order to believe it?

Best to set your criteria innit.

Always best to set the criteria.

Anyone want to wager on the over under?

Yeah, can't see any criteria being offered any time soon...it would ruin all his fun of quotes being offered and then changing the goalposts.

Only people moving goalposts are bots and fanboys.

 

[42x16ss]

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But they can maintain the sky tempo, they just can't attack. So... they're basically saying that they can ride at exactly the same pace as sky...

The thing is, Froome then DOES attack over the top of this pace, which is set by Sky domestiques but can only held by other teams leaders.

When other contenders are struggling just to keep up with the pace set by 3-4 riders from one team, that must ring alarm bells for you?

 

[carolina]

I'm not arguing that they are not doping, I'm not that stupid. I just think it's not a great argument.

 

[Dan2016]

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But they can maintain the sky tempo, they just can't attack. So... they're basically saying that they can ride at exactly the same pace as sky...

The thing is, Froome then DOES attack over the top of this pace, which is set by Sky domestiques but can only held by other teams leaders.

When other contenders are struggling just to keep up with the pace set by 3-4 riders from one team, that must ring alarm bells for you?

Remember though, Froome knows how to pedal...and he's lost all the inner fat...

 

[IndianCyclist]

After Volta Catalunya, Movistar also joins the brigade of fast tempo

 

[thehog]

Re: More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky

Vincenzo Nibali: "My watts are higher than ever. We start the climbs so fast and then, they accelerate." (via @Gazzetta_it ) #LV2017