Most believable Tour in years?

[roundabout]

NetApp didn't do anything at that Giro did they so

QED.

And you did think that König would have done nothing more than an anonymous top 30.

Obviously you still have some sort of an issue with the team that doesn't allow you to try to objectively rate them.

 

[luckyboy]

lol its just one rider doing ten places better than I thought. Given his previous TT results it hardly seemed a crazy thought

 

[roundabout]

lol its just one rider doing ten places better than I thought. Given his previous TT results it hardly seemed a crazy thought

12th in an almost pancake flat TT in a top field

http://www.procyclingstats.com/race/Criterium_du_Dauphine_2013_Stage_4_Parc_des_Oiseaux

Now don't get me wrong, I did not expect him to come 5th, but somewhere around 10th would have been in line with my perception of his ability

 

[MBotero]

It is not possible to win big races clean at this point.

There has not been a single point in this tour where Nibali was under pressure except perhaps the cobbles stage where he annihilated the field.

Yellow since the beginning of stage 3 (except one day). 4 Stage wins. 8 minute lead. Zero bad days.

Cruise control.

Not normal.

It's not only Nibali,there are also the french guys,who seems to be ignored by everybody,their performances are suspect to say at least.There is no way they get those places clean,it's Europcar miracle all over again.Maybe because Sky sucked and Contador is injured people prefer to live the french dream,now all that is needed is a positive for Nibali and the"clean cycling era" will triumph.

 

[Rollthedice]

When you think that Indurain would have put more than a minute in Tony Martin with a 20 year old bike while next stage finishing second on Hautacam yes, it looks believable.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

When you think that Indurain would have put more than a minute in Tony Martin with a 20 year old bike while next stage finishing second on Hautacam yes, it looks believable.

Before the 50% Hct rule was introduced.

 

[Gavandope]

Peraud wins my kryptonite filtered yellow jersey. Great to see him absolutely hammered at the end of it, unable to stand up. Hopefully officially his title one day.

Indurain would have done Martin wearing yellow.

 

[Tonton]

It's not only Nibali,there are also the french guys,who seems to be ignored by everybody,their performances are suspect to say at least.There is no way they get those places clean,it's Europcar miracle all over again.Maybe because Sky sucked and Contador is injured people prefer to live the french dream,now all that is needed is a positive for Nibali and the"clean cycling era" will triumph.

I read several of your recent posts and what transpires is a disturbing anti-French sentiment, much deeper than just looking at individuals and questioning their performance. I feel sorry for you. As far as I'm concerned, I will wait to see data, watts, comparisons, to forge an opinion. You are reactiong with your guts and spitting venom because your dear Piti got his tail kicked. i feel sorry for you...not for Piti. What a pity

Considering how many riders were close to each other until the end, that many teams were competitive including having a highly placed GC rider, there seem to have been some sort of an even playing field. Whether all were clean or all doped we may not know for another 10 years.

Exception is Nibali, but again, it was pretty much accepted before the start that after the two favorites CF and AC he was the strongest rider, with all other 'contenders' one notch below.

 

[Netserk]

When you think that Indurain would have put more than a minute in Tony Martin with a 20 year old bike while next stage finishing second on Hautacam yes, it looks believable.

If I'm not mistaken, his TT-bike was faster than modern TT-bikes.

 

[Tonton]

If I'm not mistaken, his TT-bike was faster than modern TT-bikes.

Big Mig's 'Espada' may not be as good as today's ITT bikes, but it was considered a technological marvel at the time. Definitely not as obsolete as the original post would suggest. Panzer would probably have won today's stage on it.

 

[MBotero]

I read several of your recent posts and what transpires is a disturbing anti-French sentiment, much deeper than just looking at individuals and questioning their performance. I feel sorry for you. As far as I'm concerned, I will wait to see data, watts, comparisons, to forge an opinion. You are reactiong with your guts and spitting venom because your dear Piti got his tail kicked. i feel sorry for you...not for Piti. What a pity

Considering how many riders were close to each other until the end, that many teams were competitive including having a highly placed GC rider, there seem to have been some sort of an even playing field. Whether all were clean or all doped we may not know for another 10 years.

Exception is Nibali, but again, it was pretty much accepted before the start that after the two favorites CF and AC he was the strongest rider, with all other 'contenders' one notch below.

Lol i'm anti-French,sure i am.Virenque was one of my favorites ,i also liked Moreau,Jaja too,i love Pierre Roland his one classy rider and this sure qualify me as anti-french,i agreeSeems like for some guys nationalism is first,everything else don't mater.Ok,i got it everybody is clean,silly me forgot that Brailsford already certified that.

 

[Tonton]

Lol i'm anti-French,sure i am.Virenque was one of my favorites ,i also liked Moreau,Jaja too,i love Pierre Roland his one classy rider and this sure qualify me as anti-french,i agreeSeems like for some guys nationalism is first,everything else don't mater.Ok,i got it everybody is clean,silly me forgot that Brailsford already certified that.

Your recent posts are 'The French' this and 'The French' that. Did a French guy take off with your girlfriend, or what? Yes, some members are blinded by nationalism. The very reason why I didn't feel like joining or posting anything before LA's confessions: I have better things to do rather than written confrontations. Read some of my posts and you will see that I'm quite a skeptic. However, I'm not the kind that will cry 'doping' every time that a rider produces a great performance either.

 

[Benotti69]

Your recent posts are 'The French' this and 'The French' that. Did a French guy take off with your girlfriend, or what? Yes, some members are blinded by nationalism. The very reason why I didn't feel like joining or posting anything before LA's confessions: I have better things to do rather than written confrontations. Read some of my posts and you will see that I'm quite a skeptic. However, I'm not the kind that will cry 'doping' every time that a rider produces a great performance either.

Are you French Tonton?

 

[MBotero]

Your recent posts are 'The French' this and 'The French' that. Did a French guy take off with your girlfriend, or what? Yes, some members are blinded by nationalism. The very reason why I didn't feel like joining or posting anything before LA's confessions: I have better things to do rather than written confrontations. Read some of my posts and you will see that I'm quite a skeptic. However, I'm not the kind that will cry 'doping' every time that a rider produces a great performance either.

Well,maybe it's time for you to use the ignore feature of the forum if i hurt your nationalism pride,no need to try personal attacks. I can cry about doping all day long,i don't think that's your problem.Maybe you shouldn't read this subsection of the forum if you don't like it.

 

[Tonton]

Well,maybe it's time for you to use the ignore feature of the forum if i hurt your nationalism pride,no need to try personal attacks. I can cry about doping all day long,i don't think that's your problem.Maybe you shouldn't read this subsection of the forum if you don't like it.

I'm still going to read your posts

 

[Tonton]

Are you French Tonton?

Allons enfants de la patrie
Le jour de gloire est arrive
Contre nous de la tyranie
L'etendard sanglant est leve

That would be a yes

 

[sittingbison]

Post not poster gentle(wo)men

Cheers
Bison

 

[the sceptic]

ammattipyöräily ‏@ammattipyoraily

Six fastest #TDF:
1. 2005: 41.654 Kph
2. 2003: 40.940 Kph
3. 2006: 40.784 Kph
4. 2014: 40.679 Kph
5. 2004: 40.553 Kph
6. 2013: 40.545 Kph

Fast, very fast.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Well, there was tailwind the entire way...

 

[SundayRider]

Fast, very fast.

Top 6 fastest Tours ever and two of them are the last two years.

 

[Afrank]

Top 6 fastest Tours ever and two of them are the last two years.

Trust me, It's the seat bolts. Instant 10 Kph improvement in speed right there.

 

[red_flanders]

Top 6 fastest Tours ever and two of them are the last two years.

Marginal gains. Nutrition is better. Bikes are lighter...oh wait, they're not. More riders warming down and bringing their own pillows. I'm surprised we're not seeing average speeds in the 50 kph range with all these tremendous innovations.

 

[SundayRider]

Trust me, It's the seat bolts. Instant 10 Kph improvement in speed right there.

Only since 1995 has the Tour consistently (read always) been raced above 39Kmph.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Trust me, It's the seat bolts. Instant 10 Kph improvement in speed right there.

Good memory!!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Can you imagine if everyone was doping? Can you imagine adding 10% power to the field across the board? How much faster they would all go?