Most memorable doped perfomances?

[Christian]

In recent years the most obviously doped performances who also got busted later were IMO Bernhard Kohl, Stefan Schumacher, Vinokourov, Ricco and Di Luca.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Ha. Great post Granville. I don't like seeing this guy win at all, to me it's just rubbing it in our noses. But at the same time, everything you said was accurate.

I agree. The other point is I wonder what the reaction would have been if it had been one of the 'uber bad guys' like Vino, DDL or Ricco riding like this. All riders who ride with 'panache'. Contrast Harmon's attitude towards Vino with his attitude towards Dertie and you get some idea of the double standards.

I'm not sure I want panache if it has to come from a syringe.

 

[roundabout]

So much despair over Pistolero!

Personally, I hope Contador gets a pass from the CAS and goes on to sweep all three Grand Tours. What's the alternative? Someone ELSE wins any of those three races, and I'm supposed to assume that THEY are riding clean?

I think you've just broken my hypocrisy meter.

Bang bang to you too, good sir.

 

[Benotti69]

I agree. The other point is I wonder what the reaction would have been if it had been one of the 'uber bad guys' like Vino, DDL or Ricco riding like this. All riders who ride with 'panache'. Contrast Harmon's attitude towards Vino with his attitude towards Dertie and you get some idea of the double standards.

I'm not sure I want panache if it has to come from a syringe.

This panache comes from a blood bag seasoned with Clen and unhealthy dose of HGH for afters.

 

[Benotti69]

I think you've just broken my hypocrisy meter.

Bang bang to you too, good sir.

maybe you and Granville would like to check in at a suitable location and continue banging each other

MJM called it on the money when he compared this place to a gay bar

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

lol, who's that?

Tony Martin -
Gypsy Killing Tony Martin 'Get orff moi land'

 

[benlondon]

The doped performance that inspired a generation of dopers

This was the Eureka moment in 1994 when Armstrong realized that in order to compete he needed to 'prepare'. At the time the Spanish had an lead in the adoption of EPO. Indurain came past Armstrong in the 94 time trial like he was standing still....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmR9k8UAohs

 

[Semper Fidelis]

So much despair over Pistolero!

Personally, I hope Contador gets a pass from the CAS and goes on to sweep all three Grand Tours. What's the alternative? Someone ELSE wins any of those three races, and I'm supposed to assume that THEY are riding clean?

The UCI is a complete and total joke at this point.
They got what they deserved today at the ToC. Although it must be such a crushing blow to what Bruyneel says is the "most important race" on the calendar, second only to the TdF. Given the current circumstances, who am I supposed to feel sorry for in the wake of Contador's success so far at the Giro?

Contador rides to win.
The guy has put with up with more BS than one should have to face: politics, backstabbing, treachery, crying competitors (and their fans)...no need to rehash any of it. Yet he still rides to win.

Until the entire governing body of cycling is decimated and rebuilt, why should I have faith in ANY GT winner? In the meantime, I am more than happy to watch a total badass on the bike lay waste to his withering opponents. If the UCI can't sort this ongoing mess out yet, and AC goes on to win the Giro only to have it stripped away later? Oh well. The race is happening now, in the present. If he gets to ride it, he gets to win it. Mr. 2nd place is going to be assuredly clean...why, exactly?

Some were apparently shocked and repulsed at Contador's stage win today. What, you didn't think he was going to win a stage at some point? Are you surprised that he's still riding...the way he rides? I love watching Contador attack. Isn't that what we want? Champions with panache? He's a great bike handler and he rides with style. PLUS, I find him to be one of the most aesthetically pleasing riders to watch. And yes, that DOES matter. If I'm going to watch these guys pedal around Europe for two to three hours at a time on TV, I prefer the ones that actually look like they belong on a bike and know what to do with it.

I also reap tremendous satisfaction from the massive F-You that AC is currently delivering to the Schlecklets and all the others that fled Saxo in a most unceremonious way. Oh gee, what's Bjarne going to do without all his superstars? Bang bang!

The current situation, with all it's complexities, is exactly what the organizers, directors and riders have brought on themselves. The more explosive, unsettling and disruptive this season turns out to be—all the better.

Having Contador leading a Grand Tour is the best way to magnify the madness.
His presence there can only help to force the many issues, that must ultimately be confronted, to the forefront if this sport is to maintian any integrity in the long run.

If it doesn't? Oh well. It's only entertainment to me, and I find Alberto to be the most entertaining rider in the world. If professional cycling disappeared tomorrow, it would actually have zero impact on my life. I still get to ride one way or the other.

In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy the show.
Bang bang!

I am a bit shocked at your Bang Bang love fest. How long have you had that man crush? Bang bang……If you like a cheater so much then why all the hate on that other doper?

 

[Escarabajo]

So much despair over Pistolero!

Personally, I hope Contador gets a pass from the CAS and goes on to sweep all three Grand Tours. What's the alternative? Someone ELSE wins any of those three races, and I'm supposed to assume that THEY are riding clean?

...

In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy the show.
Bang bang!

+1

I am starting to like Alberto's style of attacks. I can't believe I said that.

 

[nowhereman]

So much despair over Pistolero!

Personally, I hope Contador gets a pass from the CAS and goes on to sweep all three Grand Tours. What's the alternative? Someone ELSE wins any of those three races, and I'm supposed to assume that THEY are riding clean?

The UCI is a complete and total joke at this point.
They got what they deserved today at the ToC. Although it must be such a crushing blow to what Bruyneel says is the "most important race" on the calendar, second only to the TdF. Given the current circumstances, who am I supposed to feel sorry for in the wake of Contador's success so far at the Giro?

Contador rides to win.
The guy has put with up with more BS than one should have to face: politics, backstabbing, treachery, crying competitors (and their fans)...no need to rehash any of it. Yet he still rides to win.

Until the entire governing body of cycling is decimated and rebuilt, why should I have faith in ANY GT winner? In the meantime, I am more than happy to watch a total badass on the bike lay waste to his withering opponents. If the UCI can't sort this ongoing mess out yet, and AC goes on to win the Giro only to have it stripped away later? Oh well. The race is happening now, in the present. If he gets to ride it, he gets to win it. Mr. 2nd place is going to be assuredly clean...why, exactly?

Some were apparently shocked and repulsed at Contador's stage win today. What, you didn't think he was going to win a stage at some point? Are you surprised that he's still riding...the way he rides? I love watching Contador attack. Isn't that what we want? Champions with panache? He's a great bike handler and he rides with style. PLUS, I find him to be one of the most aesthetically pleasing riders to watch. And yes, that DOES matter. If I'm going to watch these guys pedal around Europe for two to three hours at a time on TV, I prefer the ones that actually look like they belong on a bike and know what to do with it.

I also reap tremendous satisfaction from the massive F-You that AC is currently delivering to the Schlecklets and all the others that fled Saxo in a most unceremonious way. Oh gee, what's Bjarne going to do without all his superstars? Bang bang!

The current situation, with all it's complexities, is exactly what the organizers, directors and riders have brought on themselves. The more explosive, unsettling and disruptive this season turns out to be—all the better.

Having Contador leading a Grand Tour is the best way to magnify the madness.
His presence there can only help to force the many issues, that must ultimately be confronted, to the forefront if this sport is to maintian any integrity in the long run.

If it doesn't? Oh well. It's only entertainment to me, and I find Alberto to be the most entertaining rider in the world. If professional cycling disappeared tomorrow, it would actually have zero impact on my life. I still get to ride one way or the other.

In the meantime, I'm going to enjoy the show.
Bang bang!

Man, that was splendidly articulated, and covered just about every topic now on the table. Great post!

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Man, that was splendidly articulated, and covered just about every topic now on the table. Great post!

I'd almost agree, but I'm not sure that this forum really needed a lengthy attempt to distinguish Contador fanboys from Armstrong fanboys.

 

[Granville57]

It should not be celebrated. If so, give Floyd his TDF title back. That was the best cheating win I ever did see.

Well, that's kind of my point. They SHOULD give Floyd his TdF title back! Floyd Landis won the 2006 Tour de France! If I have to hear the illustrious Liggett and Sherwen refer to Riis as, "a former winner of the Tour" then all the more reason to reinstate Landis.
Who else should get the Yellow Jersey from 2006 after all? Pereiro? Regardless of FLandis' claims of Oscar's own extra-curricular activities, he was gifted THIRTY MINUTES!
Klöden ? Uhhh..
Puerto hardly left us with a clean peloton that year.

Liggett and Sherwen were crapping themselves as they spewed superlatives. THose two guys have been made fools just a few too many times. I hope they take a measured approach with the new breed of cheaters. Of course, Pantini and Armstrong were rather special also.

I think you give Frick & Frack too much credit. They weren't made fools of, they tried to play US for fools. Those guys have been around long enough to know what's what. They've benefited just fine from the past few decades of denial and myth.

Oh....and I suppose you would like to see OJ out of jail as well??

O.J. skated on the big one. Remember?

 

[Granville57]

I'm not sure I want panache if it has to come from a syringe.

That's just it. We may have painted ourselves into a bit of a corner here. We've become so conditioned to seeing daring escapes and exciting wins that's it almost impossible to know what a clean win actually looks like in this day and age.

We can speculate, but we just don't know.

I can still feel good about Johan Van Summeren at Roubaix though.

 

[Granville57]

maybe you and Granville would like to check in at a suitable location and continue banging each other.

MJM called it on the money when he compared this place to a gay bar

Hey! What the...

 

[andy1234]

Hey! What the...

Man. you need to knock it off with your photoshoping of pics.
Keep it for private time

 

[Granville57]

I am a bit shocked at your Bang Bang love fest. How long have you had that man crush? Bang bang……If you like a cheater so much then why all the hate on that other doper?

I'd almost agree, but I'm not sure that this forum really needed a lengthy attempt to distinguish Contador fanboys from Armstrong fanboys.

You see fellas, for me, it's all or nothing.
Why should one get adulation and the other vilification?

It's the HYPOCRISY that I'm at odds with.

By all means, join me. The water is nice over here.

 

[The Hitch]

Regardless of FLandis' claims of Oscar's own extra-curricular activities, he was gifted THIRTY MINUETS!
:

THough i agree that Floyd is the winner, Perreiro lost 30 minutes on purpose one day, in order to be able to get in a break. the 30 minutes put him back almost exactly where he had started. The race only hit the Alpes after that so they had plenty of time to put time into Oscar.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

You see fellas, for me, it's all or nothing.
Why should one get adulation and the other vilification?

It's the HYPOCRISY that I'm at odds with.

I fully agree with that premise, just not with the conclusion. Vilification for both of them is good enough for me.

 

[Granville57]

Regardless of FLandis' claims of Oscar's own extra-curricular activities, he was gifted THIRTY MINUETS!

THough i agree that Floyd is the winner, Perreiro lost 30 minutes on purpose one day, in order to be able to get in a break. the 30 minutes put him back almost exactly where he had started. The race only hit the Alpes after that so they had plenty of time to put time into Oscar.

Ah, but you see?
You're talking about these:

Whereas, I was (apparently) talking about these:

 

[Benotti69]

Hey! What the...

Thankyou for resting my case, by the way which one is you? 2nd from left?

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

That's just it. We may have painted ourselves into a bit of a corner here. We've become so conditioned to seeing daring escapes and exciting wins that's it almost impossible to know what a clean win actually looks like in this day and age.

We can speculate, but we just don't know.

I can still feel good about Johan Van Summeren at Roubaix though.

I'd love to believe that an exceptional 'panache' ride was legit but having been lied to so often by the riders from Pantani - through Armstrong - Hamilton - Basso - Landis - Contador - Rasmussen, each and every panache ride achieved thanks to drug habits that make Keith Richards seem straight edge.

I think that it's right to question everything that riders do and tell us, to question everything that the authorities tell us and everything journalists tell us, they've been lying to us for so many years they wouldn't recognise the truth if it bit them in the face.

 

[airstream]

Di Luca Giro 2007. No? The only rider who broke his internal nature and became a superclimber. Unbelievable.

 

[seatpost]

Museuw dropping Tchmil et al for a 50 km. solo victory in the 1999 Tour of Flanders comes to mind. Incredible big ring climbing.

Also, Rominger's ITT ride in the 1995 Giro stands out for me.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Not in this thread, not in the other. I wonder why nobody mentioned this before:

Armstrong ITT-Alpe 2004 (15.5 km);
1 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal p/b Berry Floor 39.41 (23.44 km/h)
2 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team + 1.01
3 Andreas Klöden (Ger) T-Mobile Team + 1.41

I mean he beat "Fuentes"-Ulle and "Freiburg" by 2,6% respectively 4,3% in a "race of truth"!!! No "Wheel-Sucking", tactics or whatever. Sheer power against world class (doped) riders. My "favourite" doped performance all-time. Ben Johnson beating Carl Lewis 1988 was nothing in comparison. Only Bolt´s 100-m-WR comes close.

Runner-up:
Armstrong/Zabriskie beating the doped field in Stage 1-ITT 2005 (19 km). It seems Armstrong got better and better, the same time he grew older (and even Hincapie up front. Disco on super fueled blood right from stage 1)
1 David Zabriskie (USA) Team CSC 20.51 (54.67 km/h)
2 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery Channel + 0.02
3 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) T-Mobile Team 0+ 0.53
4 George Hincapie (USA) Discovery Channel + 0.57

Again 4,3% (!!) superior to the rest of the doped field.

 

[Escarabajo]

This one already won a prize title in this forum. But we can see it again:

"La Carniceria". Just look at the quality of the doped field that Vandenbroucke beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8MOQuF4_BI