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Who is currently the most overrated rider among the stars of the peloton?

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Gratemans

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HashRouge said:
The problem for Evenepoel is that he was heralded as the second coming of Mercx from a very young age (just look at his thread on this forum!), but unfortunately for him there is a rider of a very similar age who is undeniably better than him and has a much more impressive palmares. Remco is only overrated if you compare him to Pogacar. If you simply looked at his palmares and said "here is a 25 year old cyclist who has won the Vuelta, WC RR, WC TT 2x, Olympic RR, Olympic TT, LBL 2x, 2 TdF stages", you'd think he was absolutely incredible.
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I can't disagree with number 2 and 4 though.
In general btw, on this forum they're not really overrated.

And Mas, I don't feel he's overrated at all. He always ends up exactly where everybody expects him to I feel.
 
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SafeBet

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proffate said:
A poster over in the Burgos thread is now proving how overrated Ciccone is. One semi-classic victory, and suddenly a rider with this track record in GTs is a favorite to win the Vuelta.
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A selection of rider threads containing more posts than the Ciccone's thread: Cian Uijtdebroeks, Ilan Van Wilder, Quinn Simmons, Fausto Masnada (!), Magnus Cort, Carlos Rodriguez, Lennert Van Eetvelt, Jay Vine (!!)

That's how overrated Ciccone is on this forum.
 
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Red Rick

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Said poster who joked about the impending 13th position actually thinks Ciccone is absolutely a quality rider who just happens to not be cut out for GTs and is unlucky to be a top climbing classic talent in the age of Pogacar.
 
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Potomac

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Could we measure overrated as being how many rider forum pages have been generated compared to the number of his wins listed on PCS?

I've included Cian Uijtdbroeks , who has 81 pages and zero wins so [Page count]/[wins] is a zero divide. So he is literally off the chart.

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So to the left are the sinister overrated demons. The righteous unheralded true heroes of cycling are to the right.
 
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Pozzovivo

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Potomac said:
Could we measure overrated as being how many rider forum pages have been generated compared to the number of his wins listed on PCS?

I've included Cian Uijtdbroeks , who has zero wins so [Page count]/[wins] is a zero divide. So he is literally off the chart.

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So to the left are the sinister overrated demons. The righteous unheralded true heroes of cycling are to the right.
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This is the quality analysis I'm here for. Thanks @Potomac!
 
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Brullnux

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SafeBet said:
A selection of rider threads containing more posts than the Ciccone's thread: Cian Uijtdebroeks, Ilan Van Wilder, Quinn Simmons, Fausto Masnada (!), Magnus Cort, Carlos Rodriguez, Lennert Van Eetvelt, Jay Vine (!!)

That's how overrated Ciccone is on this forum.
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Tbf some of this can be explained by the number of Belgians and Danes on the forum, and then also by @Ilmaestro99
 
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Unchained

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Potomac said:
Maybe posting that chart above will break Cian's curse.
He might take a stage and and GC today. Lowering his ratio of pages to wins to just 40 to 1.
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Cian is a quality rider and I hope he learns from his media disaster.
Came off as a professional excuse maker, team and teammates holding him, down, switched teams and results got worse, He was pack fill for 2024, and in 2025 he thought it was a good idea to display himself banged and broken in a hospital bed. Not sure if his branding is on target.
He doesn't do much of anything to keep expectations in check, doesn't work against the narrative that he is waiting to turn into a butterfly.. The graph showing fourum pages\ post per win is another example of pressure he doesn't try to relieve.. It's August and he has 22 race days so he will likely chock up another season of letdown. He definitely needs to flip the script.
 
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kingjr

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hfgon1 said:
To read the name of Jens Voigt in this thread is weird for me. As a german I followed his career closely and of course you can always talk about someones attitude and there will always be different opinions. I wouldnt even say that I was a big fan of Jens Voigt. But he was a really great cyclist. Not someone who was the best in the peloton but always helpful for his captains and always someone who tried to go in the front groups and who tried attacking.

The last part is also what makes the career of Jens Voigt a great career. He was never a top class rider but he was always someone who at least tried and gave everything till the end. A lot of riders that were more talented ended their careers with not even being close to having half of his wins. Thats what made him special. He made the absolute best of his career.

He held the hour world record. He has the most wins at the Criterium International, equal with Poulidor. He won the Tour of Germany twice and is the record holder there. He won the Tour de Pologne, stages at the Giro and the Tour and even wore yellow. He rode the Tour 17 times. Thats an achievement itself. A better rider would have made more of it then 2 wins but that was his ceiling. He was never top class but made himself famous for attacking and trying. Other riders were often waiting till he attacks and the help guys in the peloton hated to see him in the front group.

In my eyes he was never overrated as everyone always knew that he wouldnt be able to win big races against the top guys of the peloton. But he was always able to make a good show and at least tried. And in my opinion that was the only thing viewers expected from him and exactly that they got.
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If anything, he's underrated. He was an absolute machine on his day.
 
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Pippo_San

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I would love to say Remco.
I mean he should've already been the second coming of Merckx.
And he's a very good rider, but certainly not the phenomenon he was supposed to be.
Problem is his fanbase is terrible, at least now he's a little bit better from a media point of view.
So no Remco, he's good and he delivers.

I'm sticking with Uijtdebroeks and Ayuso.
I'm certain they got some good numbers somewhere, certainly not the crazy good numbers they think they have.
They behaved like spoiled brats, and while they could be somehow excused had they obtained important results, what they proved is they have very big tongues supported by depressing results.

I guess also Mas is a big contender, but lately no one consider him a challenger in GTs anymore (at least I have this feeling).
 
Devil's Elbow

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proffate said:
Surprise! Inaptly initialed Giullio Ciccone has dropped out of the Vuelta GC. Looks like you would have to be an optimist to think he could place 13th.
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He has a saddle sore that’s become infected. Same issue that kept him off the bike for months at the start of 2024 (you know, when it wasn’t being caused by riding GTs). But don’t let facts get in the way of your gotcha, I guess.
 
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Gwbert

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Potomac said:
Could we measure overrated as being how many rider forum pages have been generated compared to the number of his wins listed on PCS?

I've included Cian Uijtdbroeks , who has 81 pages and zero wins so [Page count]/[wins] is a zero divide. So he is literally off the chart.

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So to the left are the sinister overrated demons. The righteous unheralded true heroes of cycling are to the right.
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Pogacar has 366 pages per win…
 
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Brullnux

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Peyroteo94 said:
He is not good anymore. 5 years ago, he could win this trophy though
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In his defence he had a couple of career defining incidents which colours our perspective. In 2021 he was still beating Pogacar/Van Aert in Strade Bianche and winning the battle of second tier GC riders. He'd have never competed with Pogacar/Vingegaard, but I think without the crash he'd have comfortably been in the Roglic/Remco best of the rest conversation. 2020 was a bad year but it was also a bit anomalous (COVID, late Tour, injuries).
 
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proffate

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Devil's Elbow said:
He has a saddle sore that’s become infected. Same issue that kept him off the bike for months at the start of 2024 (you know, when it wasn’t being caused by riding GTs). But don’t let facts get in the way of your gotcha, I guess.
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How does that fact have any gotcha value? One way or another, Ciccone can't make it through 3 weeks in a good GC position. Doesn't matter why. "I had great legs, but..." is the story of his career. Note I never said anything about his ability over 1 day or 1 week.

Second, saddle sores are treatable, first line of defense being proper hygiene and saddle and attire. So this is really his fault regardless.

All the people spamming reactions on these posts excusing yet another GT GC failure simply proves my point that he is overrated.
 
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