Motor doping thread

[Ricco']

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Rider, Thomas Pidcock, in the Men's Junior CX WC race came from 32nd on the last lap to finish 5th!!!

That's not true.

Pidcock started the last lap in 12th in the worst case, I don't know now in certain, but I am absolutely certain that he was for some time in a group which was fighting for a top-8 position at least.

I heard it from the commentators. They made a big thing of it how he came from 32nd on last lap.

He started in 32nd (or around that mark).

I'm just seeing the replay now, he was 12th in the beginning of the last lap (17th two laps from the finish).

 

[Benotti69]

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Just found out about this. A 19-year old girl for crying out loud. You know I actually kind of feel sorry for her. As a 19-year old it's perfectly reasonable that you're not able to fully understand the consequences of your actions yet. Sure you know you're doing something wrong, but you often underestimate the impact it might have when you get caught.

Now, what's totally baffling me is why nobody from her entourage talked this out of her head (assuming it was her idea in the first place). As a mature person, what kind of total idiot you must be to go along with this and put such a young girl in this kind of position?

Cheating in pro cycling is part of the culture, whether PEDs or mechanical doping.

 

[Metabolol]

If she is the first one caught then it means that it has been around for several years already.

Although it's a bit of a line in the sand, for me, this is worse than pharmacological doping.

 

[Anaconda]

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Just found out about this. A 19-year old girl for crying out loud. You know I actually kind of feel sorry for her. As a 19-year old it's perfectly reasonable that you're not able to fully understand the consequences of your actions yet. Sure you know you're doing something wrong, but you often underestimate the impact it might have when you get caught.

Now, what's totally baffling me is why nobody from her entourage talked this out of her head (assuming it was her idea in the first place). As a mature person, what kind of total idiot you must be to go along with this and put such a young girl in this kind of position?

Just read the Genvieve Jeanson story

This young rider for sure is culpable, but I highly doubt she had the money to buy the motor or the technical skill to install it. Sounds like it is the parent that deserves to take the biggest fall, but alas its not his picture now splashed all over the internet. What a thing for this young woman to have to deal with for the rest of her life.

 

[Opalius]

I don't know what to say.

So, if a teenage girl is persuaded by the advantages of this type of cheat in a CX race, imagine the lures in races where the prestige and money add up just about a hundred times more...

 

[Cloxxki]

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At Koppenberg Cross Femke van den Driessche's time up Koppenberg was 5% faster then all female Pro's. Only 21 sec behind Sven Nys.

Source?
Perhaps tergeted/snitched/sacrificed then?

 

[Benotti69]

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At Koppenberg Cross Femke van den Driessche's time up Koppenberg was 5% faster then all female Pro's. Only 21 sec behind Sven Nys.

Source?
Perhaps tergeted/snitched/sacrificed then?

http://www.chronorace.be/classements/listerapports.aspx?eventId=1137431894074161

crdev.blob.core.windows.net/files/12583.pdf

 

[The Carrot]

This would never happen, it would be a cheating step too far! Yeah right.

 

[Benotti69]

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At Koppenberg Cross Femke van den Driessche's time up Koppenberg was 5% faster then all female Pro's. Only 21 sec behind Sven Nys.

Source?
Perhaps tergeted/snitched/sacrificed then?

http://www.chronorace.be/classements/listerapports.aspx?eventId=1137431894074161

crdev.blob.core.windows.net/files/12583.pdf

apparently Nikki Harris was not happy with Van Driessche's performance at Koppenberg Cross.

 

[Cloxxki]

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Thanks,

Koppenberg
Pos Nr UCI Code Name Age NOC Team # Time Gap
1. 10 BEL19960827 VAN DEN DRIESSCHE FEMKE 19 BEL 1 02:58.04
2. 2 GBR19810304 WYMAN HELEN 34 GBR SWIFT RACING TEAM 1 03:07.96 +00:09.92
3. 5 BEL19900101 VERSCHUREN JOLIEN 25 BEL 1 03:08.58 +00:10.54
4. 7 NED19931106 DE JONG THALITA 22 NED 1 03:08.78 +00:10.73
5. 3 GBR19861230 HARRIS NIKKI 29 GBR TC GROENEWOUD 1 03:13.17 +00:15.12
6. 1 BEL19901008 CANT SANNE 25 BEL 1 03:13.28 +00:15.24
7. 4 NED19881027 VAN PAASSEN SANNE 27 NED WV SCHIJNDEL 1 03:16.53 +00:18.48
8. 8 NED19940928 KAPTHEIJNS MAUD 21 NED 1 03:21.06 +00:23.02
9. 6 BEL19800916 VAN LOY ELLEN 35 BEL 1 03:21.42 +00:23.37
10. 35 GBR19000101 SIMPSON ANNIE GBR 1 03:31.94 +00:33.90
11. 46 NED19950211 WITLOX LIZZY 20 NED TWC TEMPO 1 03:36.86 +00:38.81
12. 32 GBR19940323 PAYTON HANNAH 21 GBR GREAT BRITAIN 1 03:38.94 +00:40.90
13. 34 FRA19000101 PETIT MARLENE FRA 1 03:39.64 +00:41.59
14. 27 GBR19850517 LEE DIANE 30 GBR MULE BAR GIRLS SIGMA SPORT 1 03:42.11 +00:44.07
15. 36 NED19870604 TER BEEK LINDA 28 NED HWV DE TUBANTERS 1 03:42.23 +00:44.19

 

[sniper]

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"Irondan: I'm interested to see how the UCI reacts to this.

indeed.
i remember there being talk of lifetime bans, but also of withdrawing entire team licenses should a team mechanic be proven to have been involved.

 

[Cloxxki]

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Cheating in pro cycling is part of the culture, whether PEDs or mechanical doping.

I am not sure it's that clear-cut.
Can totally imagine a rider to be aware of blood doping around her, but feeling like putting stuff in her body, body is feeling fine. Level the playing field another way. Heck, I know riders who would literally die from EPO, having a high hct of their own. If they'd want to commit fraud, mechanical would be a logical choice.

 

[MarkvW]

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"Irondan: I'm interested to see how the UCI reacts to this.

indeed.
i remember there being talk of lifetime bans, but also of withdrawing entire team licenses should a team mechanic be proven to have been involved.

Me too. But today I read something about 6 month bans for mechanical fraud. If that's the case, then Cookson's earlier statements about coming down hard on motor cheats will look like outright dishonesty.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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What you read referred to a "minimum" and there is a possible fine for the rider and the team. This is not the "bash Cookson" thread. It seems he was right to expect this.

 

[Benotti69]

If a lowly CX u23 rider is 'mechanical doping' you can be sure others at the pointy end of the sport, road and track are too.

It would have made sense for the UCI to publish every x-ray they took of the bikes checked for motors, in the interest of transparency, but i dont remember seeing any. I wonder will someone (Seppelt) turn up this year at a Parc ferme and start checking bikes, that would be good.

Even to turn up with a fake x-ray machine and see the reactions from mechanics would be telling.

 

[sniper]

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What you read referred to a "minimum" and there is a possible fine for the rider and the team. This is not the "bash Cookson" thread. It seems he was right to expect this.

are you Cookson's mouthpiece?
honest question.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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What you read referred to a "minimum" and there is a possible fine for the rider and the team. This is not the "bash Cookson" thread. It seems he was right to expect this.

are you Cookson's mouthpiece?
honest question.

Not at all. Just can't understand the direct relevance.

 

[Benotti69]

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What you read referred to a "minimum" and there is a possible fine for the rider and the team. This is not the "bash Cookson" thread. It seems he was right to expect this.

No but Cookson has hardly been transparent either.

 

[wrinklyvet]

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What you read referred to a "minimum" and there is a possible fine for the rider and the team. This is not the "bash Cookson" thread. It seems he was right to expect this.

No but Cookson has hardly been transparent either.

About penalties for motors?

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

So according to the riders dad, a person of the entourage had put the bike in the pits and it was accidentaally given to her. I'm having a hard time believing this

 

[MarkvW]

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What you read referred to a "minimum" and there is a possible fine for the rider and the team. This is not the "bash Cookson" thread. It seems he was right to expect this.

We'll see how "right" Cookson is on this soon enough.

 

[WillemS]

Re: Mechanical doping: first rider caught

When I see that Koppenberg result, I'm starting to think the test might not have been all that random. Weird and unusual results should warrant extra attention.

 

[MarkvW]

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So according to the riders dad, a person of the entourage had put the bike in the pits and it was accidentaally given to her. I'm having a hard time believing this

Well...that is about the only possible excuse that would fit in with the undeniable facts...

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

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Femke van den Driessche's brother is under a suspension for EPO. Ironically her team has "No Drugs" jersey logo

Source? Which brother? Any name?

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

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So according to the riders dad, a person of the entourage had put the bike in the pits and it was accidentaally given to her. I'm having a hard time believing this

Well...that is about the only possible excuse that would fit in with the undeniable facts...

Apparently it was the bike of a friend who goes along with her while warming up, the bike was left in the pits and apparently she didn't even ride it.