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I can't believe anyone is surprised by this. It's been technically feasible for some time. There's a clear advantage to be gained. All you have to do is avoid the testers, or make sure you have enough cash to jam the wheels of the system so the story doesn't get out if you get caught.

It was only a matter of time.
 

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Probably seemed easier to avoid the testers in a CX race, where mid race bike changes are de rigeur. Not so easy if you're using your motor-doped bike on a MTF. I think the UCI should also start confiscating and checking bikes taken from riders during a mid-race bike change in a road race. They wouldn't need to check every one. There are few enough mid-race bike changes in a road stage (10? 20?) that just checking one or two would make the odds very bad for the cheater. Have a UCI or race official on a motorcycle shadowing the team cars, when the rider has been pushed off he taps the mechanic on the shoulder: "no, leave that bike here" and it travels in the broom wagon straight to testing. Now, if disc brakes mean that bike changes become as common as wheel changes, then things get trickier. But the UCI could stop team cars, during the race or as they leave the course, and scan every bike on the rack. I can't imagine it takes more than several seconds to scan each bike.

Considering the ease of detecting a motor-doped bike, I'd think a fairly simple in-race testing program would soon make good old fashioned human doping seem preferable. After all, there's no need for out-of-competition checks on bikes, nor is there any equivalent of micro-dosing for motors.
 
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Poor girl such mixed messages going to her. I think she was in the age group of Juniors that Cookson did the talk to at the Road Worlds - the one where he introduced Eddy as someone to look up to - look kids - cheating pays - and Cookson did his selfie with him. I wonder Cookson hasn't posted up a selfie from when Sepp gave him that nice award at a FIFA conference.

Now here she is just trying to do her bit for Belgium but using the latest gadgets and they go all fussy over a bike she wasn't even riding.

But back to the main event epo - ok I just don'e believe we are hearing the full story of just who is testing positive, some are still being kept quiet - a hamstring that is not getting better comes to mind. Where and how was it known that her brother was done for epo ? If he was how wasn't she being target tested morning noon and night and why couldn't they sort out tests to match her calendar for juicing up prior to the big ones. What I am saying is - is the testing regime in Belgium corrupt - leaked information of surprise tests ? If the conspiracy theorists are right and this was a shot to warn off some elite men for tomorrow, it is making the whole "we are all cleans now - the testing has never been better" story seem even thinner.

Got to be a few mechanics burning the midnight oil tonight. A few bins around Zolder might well have some valuable trash in them tomorrow morning.

Anyone asked JV for his opinion or Hejersdal or Spartacus ? We need an expert's opinion on this. Hmm braking into corners on mountain climbs - now just who does that ?

Cookson is very busy at the moment dealing with some random doping by a rider that occurred 13 years ago.
 
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doolols said:
I can't believe anyone is surprised by this. It's been technically feasible for some time. There's a clear advantage to be gained. All you have to do is avoid the testers, or make sure you have enough cash to jam the wheels of the system so the story doesn't get out if you get caught.

It was only a matter of time.
That's the thing, you can't avoid the testers with a motor. In this case, they looked at her bike and found it immediately. A doper knows not to be tested at all while glowing. If they still test positive, *then* they might find unorthodox ways to still be OK, including bribes or whatever. But using your theoretical ability to make it go away as your first and only line of defense makes no sense. Too dangerous.

Among the pros, I'd say it's likely that someone used a motor at some point in the last 5 years, but the moment the UCI started looking, it's a whole different thing altogether.
 
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hrotha said:
doolols said:
I can't believe anyone is surprised by this. It's been technically feasible for some time. There's a clear advantage to be gained. All you have to do is avoid the testers, or make sure you have enough cash to jam the wheels of the system so the story doesn't get out if you get caught.

It was only a matter of time.
That's the thing, you can't avoid the testers with a motor. In this case, they looked at her bike and found it immediately. A doper knows not to be tested at all while glowing. If they still test positive, *then* they might find unorthodox ways to still be OK, including bribes or whatever. But using your theoretical ability to make it go away as your first and only line of defense makes no sense. Too dangerous.

Among the pros, I'd say it's likely that someone used a motor at some point in the last 5 years, but the moment the UCI started looking, it's a whole different thing altogether.

What a poorly constructed argument. In second part you cite that you can bribe the same officiating body presented in the first?

A doper gets away with doping because he does it prior to racing and ensures that he is not 'glowing'. A motor doper can do the same by changing his bike prior to the end of a stage/race, it's not hard to do in a race with 200 riders.
 
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Indeed, for all we know the motor era in road cycling has already been and gone. You would be brave to finish a race on a crooked bike unless you had total protection. Contador gets a small advantage riding assisted for the first 150km of a stage?
 
I didn't say you can just bribe everybody and be fine, I merely allowed for the possibility of a bribe in an emergency because we know it's happened before. Bribing your problems away is like using abortion as contraception.

Your method of not "glowing" with a motor is of doubtful applicability and safeness.
 
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I think a bribe works equally well given either circumstance.

Also I think that those who stated in the other motorized doping thread that such a thing could never happen need to step up and eat crow.

Plus, I'm loving all the coverage CyclingNews is dedicating to this event. Blanket... not really. Nothing like it in fact. I'm embarrassed for them.

And, last little dig here: a motorized bike and you still think that someone like (fill in the blank; Greg LeMond for example) didn't/isn't doping?

I do love this sport.
 
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hrotha said:
I didn't say you can just bribe everybody and be fine, I merely allowed for the possibility of a bribe in an emergency because we know it's happened before. Bribing your problems away is like using abortion as contraception.

Your method of not "glowing" with a motor is of doubtful applicability and safeness.

However your presumption is the motor would only be used at the end of stage/race.

A rider could use the motor eariler in stage to not expend energy, switch to motorless bike for end of stage in a recovered state. The RH example is indicative of this.

Support riders could use a motor to assist a team leader and not be tested by finishing low on the stage/or switch bikes prior to the end.
 
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As much as I've sadly enough accepted medical doping as part of the game to increase your OWN power ...

I ain't gonna accept any cheating with motors anytime. This is bike racing. Not motorbike racing.

I certainly hope the UCI's got the same view on it and fights just this one very hard!

I would rate Vaughters & co hypocrite enough to truly believe that mechanical doping at least ain't got no bad influence on the riders health and ain't that sleazy because of that. He's such a goof and ain't got no clue about true cycling passion after all!
I'm sorry but Medical and Mechanical doping are exactly the same thing ethically
 
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I think a bribe works equally well given either circumstance.

Also I think that those who stated in the other motorized doping thread that such a thing could never happen need to step up and eat crow.

Plus, I'm loving all the coverage CyclingNews is dedicating to this event. Blanket... not really. Nothing like it in fact. I'm embarrassed for them.

And, last little dig here: a motorized bike and you still think that someone like (fill in the blank; Greg LeMond for example) didn't/isn't doping?

I do love this sport.
those in the saddle staccato legs as pistons, but vertical updownupdown staccato... Froome? not really a souplesse on his in the saddle attacks. They just looked strange, but he seemed so dominant over 21 stages, and I dont think he could do that with a motor in his bike, something like the bergs of flanders seams the weapon...
 
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BullsFan22 said:
Maybe Cancellara was on a motorized bike as well in 2010...

it was a spitting image of how he left boonen struggle in his wake.

Tom freekin Boonen was looking like jnr Xcross women on the Koppenberg.

You just DONT do that to Tom Boonen. Even if you are in the form of your life, Boonen must be broomwagen(alliterationz) form


'#BoonenBroomwagon

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HelmutRoole said:
And, last little dig here: a motorized bike and you still think that someone like (fill in the blank; Greg LeMond for example) didn't/isn't doping?

I do love this sport.

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HelmutRoole said:
I think a bribe works equally well given either circumstance.

Also I think that those who stated in the other motorized doping thread that such a thing could never happen need to step up and eat crow.

Plus, I'm loving all the coverage CyclingNews is dedicating to this event. Blanket... not really. Nothing like it in fact. I'm embarrassed for them.

And, last little dig here: a motorized bike and you still think that someone like (fill in the blank; Greg LeMond for example) didn't/isn't doping?

I do love this sport.

Your attack on Greg Lemond is devoid of logic.
 
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MarkvW said:
HelmutRoole said:
I think a bribe works equally well given either circumstance.

Also I think that those who stated in the other motorized doping thread that such a thing could never happen need to step up and eat crow.

Plus, I'm loving all the coverage CyclingNews is dedicating to this event. Blanket... not really. Nothing like it in fact. I'm embarrassed for them.

And, last little dig here: a motorized bike and you still think that someone like (fill in the blank; Greg LeMond for example) didn't/isn't doping?

I do love this sport.

Your attack on Greg Lemond is devoid of logic.
So is motorized doping.
 
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MarkvW said:
GenericBoonenFan said:
MarkvW said:
GenericBoonenFan said:
So according to the riders dad, a person of the entourage had put the bike in the pits and it was accidentaally given to her. I'm having a hard time believing this

Well...that is about the only possible excuse that would fit in with the undeniable facts...

Apparently it was the bike of a friend who goes along with her while warming up, the bike was left in the pits and apparently she didn't even ride it.

That's a better excuse, but it had best be the truth because it can easily be cross-checked!

After reading the Guardian story, if that story is true her own father is plainly mis-stating the facts.
Clearly in this case the "I had a lot of sex just before the race" excuse won't fly.
 
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Freddythefrog said:
Poor girl such mixed messages going to her. I think she was in the age group of Juniors that Cookson did the talk to at the Road Worlds - the one where he introduced Eddy as someone to look up to - look kids - cheating pays - and Cookson did his selfie with him. I wonder Cookson hasn't posted up a selfie from when Sepp gave him that nice award at a FIFA conference.

Now here she is just trying to do her bit for Belgium but using the latest gadgets and they go all fussy over a bike she wasn't even riding.

But back to the main event epo - ok I just don'e believe we are hearing the full story of just who is testing positive, some are still being kept quiet - a hamstring that is not getting better comes to mind. Where and how was it known that her brother was done for epo ? If he was how wasn't she being target tested morning noon and night and why couldn't they sort out tests to match her calendar for juicing up prior to the big ones. What I am saying is - is the testing regime in Belgium corrupt - leaked information of surprise tests ? If the conspiracy theorists are right and this was a shot to warn off some elite men for tomorrow, it is making the whole "we are all cleans now - the testing has never been better" story seem even thinner.

Got to be a few mechanics burning the midnight oil tonight. A few bins around Zolder might well have some valuable trash in them tomorrow morning.

Anyone asked JV for his opinion or Hejersdal or Spartacus ? We need an expert's opinion on this. Hmm braking into corners on mountain climbs - now just who does that ?

Cookson is very busy at the moment dealing with some random doping by a rider that occurred 13 years ago.
Luckily Oliver's got a more technical role in team Sky so there's no danger of any kind of conflict of interest.
:rolleyes:
 
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Re: Mechanical doping: first rider caught

LaFlorecita said:
oldcrank said:
It's becoming harder to ignore Cipo's comments during the 2015 Giro,
and/or this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cDbNJMwxWY :eek:
Oh my ghosh a rider changing his bike and was that Uncle Bjarne pushing him off? :eek: clearly suspicious :eek:

you heard the commentary? they can't figure out why alberto changed bike every day before an MTF finale.
Commentary at the end of that clip is hilarious btw.

And that l'Equipe article on motorization also focused on Contador's bike changes, remember? L'Equipe are usually good at seeing the smoke.

interestingly, Bjarne was there when Cance introduced motorized bikes in the peloton in '10.

So in short, yes, it seems warranted to be suspicious of contador + motorization.