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Freddythefrog said:Poor girl such mixed messages going to her. I think she was in the age group of Juniors that Cookson did the talk to at the Road Worlds - the one where he introduced Eddy as someone to look up to - look kids - cheating pays - and Cookson did his selfie with him. I wonder Cookson hasn't posted up a selfie from when Sepp gave him that nice award at a FIFA conference.
Now here she is just trying to do her bit for Belgium but using the latest gadgets and they go all fussy over a bike she wasn't even riding.
But back to the main event epo - ok I just don'e believe we are hearing the full story of just who is testing positive, some are still being kept quiet - a hamstring that is not getting better comes to mind. Where and how was it known that her brother was done for epo ? If he was how wasn't she being target tested morning noon and night and why couldn't they sort out tests to match her calendar for juicing up prior to the big ones. What I am saying is - is the testing regime in Belgium corrupt - leaked information of surprise tests ? If the conspiracy theorists are right and this was a shot to warn off some elite men for tomorrow, it is making the whole "we are all cleans now - the testing has never been better" story seem even thinner.
Got to be a few mechanics burning the midnight oil tonight. A few bins around Zolder might well have some valuable trash in them tomorrow morning.
Anyone asked JV for his opinion or Hejersdal or Spartacus ? We need an expert's opinion on this. Hmm braking into corners on mountain climbs - now just who does that ?
That's the thing, you can't avoid the testers with a motor. In this case, they looked at her bike and found it immediately. A doper knows not to be tested at all while glowing. If they still test positive, *then* they might find unorthodox ways to still be OK, including bribes or whatever. But using your theoretical ability to make it go away as your first and only line of defense makes no sense. Too dangerous.doolols said:I can't believe anyone is surprised by this. It's been technically feasible for some time. There's a clear advantage to be gained. All you have to do is avoid the testers, or make sure you have enough cash to jam the wheels of the system so the story doesn't get out if you get caught.
It was only a matter of time.
hrotha said:That's the thing, you can't avoid the testers with a motor. In this case, they looked at her bike and found it immediately. A doper knows not to be tested at all while glowing. If they still test positive, *then* they might find unorthodox ways to still be OK, including bribes or whatever. But using your theoretical ability to make it go away as your first and only line of defense makes no sense. Too dangerous.doolols said:I can't believe anyone is surprised by this. It's been technically feasible for some time. There's a clear advantage to be gained. All you have to do is avoid the testers, or make sure you have enough cash to jam the wheels of the system so the story doesn't get out if you get caught.
It was only a matter of time.
Among the pros, I'd say it's likely that someone used a motor at some point in the last 5 years, but the moment the UCI started looking, it's a whole different thing altogether.
hrotha said:I didn't say you can just bribe everybody and be fine, I merely allowed for the possibility of a bribe in an emergency because we know it's happened before. Bribing your problems away is like using abortion as contraception.
Your method of not "glowing" with a motor is of doubtful applicability and safeness.
I'm sorry but Medical and Mechanical doping are exactly the same thing ethicallystaubsauger said:As much as I've sadly enough accepted medical doping as part of the game to increase your OWN power ...
I ain't gonna accept any cheating with motors anytime. This is bike racing. Not motorbike racing.
I certainly hope the UCI's got the same view on it and fights just this one very hard!
I would rate Vaughters & co hypocrite enough to truly believe that mechanical doping at least ain't got no bad influence on the riders health and ain't that sleazy because of that. He's such a goof and ain't got no clue about true cycling passion after all!
Nope.thehog said:However your presumption is the motor would only be used at the end of stage/race.
those in the saddle staccato legs as pistons, but vertical updownupdown staccato... Froome? not really a souplesse on his in the saddle attacks. They just looked strange, but he seemed so dominant over 21 stages, and I dont think he could do that with a motor in his bike, something like the bergs of flanders seams the weapon...HelmutRoole said:I think a bribe works equally well given either circumstance.
Also I think that those who stated in the other motorized doping thread that such a thing could never happen need to step up and eat crow.
Plus, I'm loving all the coverage CyclingNews is dedicating to this event. Blanket... not really. Nothing like it in fact. I'm embarrassed for them.
And, last little dig here: a motorized bike and you still think that someone like (fill in the blank; Greg LeMond for example) didn't/isn't doping?
I do love this sport.
BullsFan22 said:Maybe Cancellara was on a motorized bike as well in 2010...
HelmutRoole said:And, last little dig here: a motorized bike and you still think that someone like (fill in the blank; Greg LeMond for example) didn't/isn't doping?
I do love this sport.
HelmutRoole said:I think a bribe works equally well given either circumstance.
Also I think that those who stated in the other motorized doping thread that such a thing could never happen need to step up and eat crow.
Plus, I'm loving all the coverage CyclingNews is dedicating to this event. Blanket... not really. Nothing like it in fact. I'm embarrassed for them.
And, last little dig here: a motorized bike and you still think that someone like (fill in the blank; Greg LeMond for example) didn't/isn't doping?
I do love this sport.
So is motorized doping.MarkvW said:HelmutRoole said:I think a bribe works equally well given either circumstance.
Also I think that those who stated in the other motorized doping thread that such a thing could never happen need to step up and eat crow.
Plus, I'm loving all the coverage CyclingNews is dedicating to this event. Blanket... not really. Nothing like it in fact. I'm embarrassed for them.
And, last little dig here: a motorized bike and you still think that someone like (fill in the blank; Greg LeMond for example) didn't/isn't doping?
I do love this sport.
Your attack on Greg Lemond is devoid of logic.
Oh my ghosh a rider changing his bike and was that Uncle Bjarne pushing him off?oldcrank said:It's becoming harder to ignore Cipo's comments during the 2015 Giro,
and/or this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cDbNJMwxWY![]()
Clearly in this case the "I had a lot of sex just before the race" excuse won't fly.MarkvW said:GenericBoonenFan said:MarkvW said:GenericBoonenFan said:So according to the riders dad, a person of the entourage had put the bike in the pits and it was accidentaally given to her. I'm having a hard time believing this
Well...that is about the only possible excuse that would fit in with the undeniable facts...
Apparently it was the bike of a friend who goes along with her while warming up, the bike was left in the pits and apparently she didn't even ride it.
That's a better excuse, but it had best be the truth because it can easily be cross-checked!
After reading the Guardian story, if that story is true her own father is plainly mis-stating the facts.
Luckily Oliver's got a more technical role in team Sky so there's no danger of any kind of conflict of interest.thehog said:Freddythefrog said:Poor girl such mixed messages going to her. I think she was in the age group of Juniors that Cookson did the talk to at the Road Worlds - the one where he introduced Eddy as someone to look up to - look kids - cheating pays - and Cookson did his selfie with him. I wonder Cookson hasn't posted up a selfie from when Sepp gave him that nice award at a FIFA conference.
Now here she is just trying to do her bit for Belgium but using the latest gadgets and they go all fussy over a bike she wasn't even riding.
But back to the main event epo - ok I just don'e believe we are hearing the full story of just who is testing positive, some are still being kept quiet - a hamstring that is not getting better comes to mind. Where and how was it known that her brother was done for epo ? If he was how wasn't she being target tested morning noon and night and why couldn't they sort out tests to match her calendar for juicing up prior to the big ones. What I am saying is - is the testing regime in Belgium corrupt - leaked information of surprise tests ? If the conspiracy theorists are right and this was a shot to warn off some elite men for tomorrow, it is making the whole "we are all cleans now - the testing has never been better" story seem even thinner.
Got to be a few mechanics burning the midnight oil tonight. A few bins around Zolder might well have some valuable trash in them tomorrow morning.
Anyone asked JV for his opinion or Hejersdal or Spartacus ? We need an expert's opinion on this. Hmm braking into corners on mountain climbs - now just who does that ?
Cookson is very busy at the moment dealing with some random doping by a rider that occurred 13 years ago.
LaFlorecita said:Oh my ghosh a rider changing his bike and was that Uncle Bjarne pushing him off?oldcrank said:It's becoming harder to ignore Cipo's comments during the 2015 Giro,
and/or this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cDbNJMwxWY![]()
clearly suspicious
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