Movistar

[roundabout]

Murcia is in 2 weeks time

 

[EnacheV]

There is a difference between peaking, and to want to give the little extra for the home audience... Atleast in most other sports the people that race/play at home turf usually comes a little bit better prepared with that in mind. Nothing else...

except there was not a "little bit" , he destroyed the field completely by a huge margin. If that was a little bit i don't even want to think what can do in a "peak" put 1 minute in to Wiggins in a 10km prologue ?! god save us

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

except there was not a "little bit" , he destroyed the field completely by a huge margin.

To me he was a favourite to this prologue, and to have some more form than the others would give him the edge to win. Honestly I am not suprised that he would beat Dumoulin by 7 seconds, are you?

 

[BigMac]

To me he was a favourite to this prologue, and to have some more form than the others would give him the edge to win. Honestly I am not suprised that he would beat Dumoulin by 7 seconds, are you?

By field he means Wiggins and Wiggins only. In fact, I think EnacheV lives for Sire Brad. EnacheV choses to ignore that Sire Brad is crap when it comes to technical stuff.

Everything was/is normal.

 

[roundabout]

A 52k average is not a sign of a really technical tt

 

[BigMac]

A 52k average is not a sign of a really technical tt

Too much bends perhaps?

 

[RownhamHill]

Alejandro Valverde is a rider whose natural level (regardless of whether doped) is very high. Throughout his whole career he has amassed points from February to September being constantly in the upper echelons of results. He's about as far from superpeaker as you can get. He's a very decent TT rider, especially over shorter distances, and he is riding for a team for whom this race is of more importance than to many of the others (first home stage race of the year). He is very strong technically, good at bike handling and cornering, and has very good acceleration.

Ion Izagirre is a dynamic rider who has been regarded as arguably the most talented young rider to come out of the Basque country in the last few years. He has a cyclocross background, and thus is very strong technically and with a very good burst of acceleration.

Why are these two being up near the top of a prologue surprising, when that prologue was full of technical corners and places where that acceleration and cornering could be effective in gaining time? If anything Javier Moreno was the most suspicious Movistar rider today.

Regarding the Sky guys who made up a huge amount of the top 10, Vasil Kiryienka isn't really renowned as a prologue rider; he becomes more competitive in longer TTs. It remains to be seen if Wiggins will ever be the rider he was in 2012, and he is also known for not being the most technically adept, losing time in cornering.

And hey, it's February. Abarcá have traditionally been more of a don't ask-don't tell team, but maybe they have stepped up to a more planned preparation. It's too many assumptions to make from 7km in February. Many of the Sky guys have different goals to Valverde (how many of them want a peak in the Ardennes? How many of the Movistar guys would want to peak in the Northern Classics like Thomas or EBH?) and will be in a different place with regard to their targeting (is Porte not targeting the Giro? If so it makes sense for him to be further behind in his preparation than an Ardennes-focused Valverde, for example).

We need a few more days of racing to tell with people like these. If these were random domestiques with no results #s 12 & 35 suddenly hitting 1st & 3rd in the prologue, maybe it could be a bigger deal, but really here we're just making a bigger deal out of it than we perhaps ought to, and that's primarily 'cos it's Valverde.

Good post.

 

[The Hitch]

I wouldn't say Valverdes natural ability is high regardless of whether he dopes. We don't know if it's high if he doesn't dope because if ever he hasn't doped, we don't know when that was anyway.

To sum up this thread though everyone agrees Valverde dopes. But a poster who has been banned for trolling about as many times as ryo hazuki has been banned for being offensive, is pushing as hard as he can a curious narrative that people think piti is clean. Meh. It's times like this you appreciate the more intelligent and subtle trolling by the likes of oldcrank.

 

[EnacheV]

By field he means Wiggins and Wiggins only. In fact, I think EnacheV lives for Sire Brad. EnacheV choses to ignore that Sire Brad is crap when it comes to technical stuff.

Everything was/is normal.

cut the crap

tt wasn't technical

valverde isn't on peak

but he beats no2,4 from last wc itt by 13-14 seconds / 7km

also beats porte that regulary beats him in itt/prologues by 15 sec

wtf is so hard to admit that he took to much of the magic stuff in the last 2 weeks

instead i read long bull****s explanation about how good valverde is at tt on spanish soil and what good bike handler it is.

in his past times he won few prologues but also got caught for doping.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

cut the crap

tt wasn't technical

valverde isn't on peak

but he beats no2,4 from last wc itt by 13-14 seconds / 7km

also beats porte that regulary beats him in itt/prologues by 15 sec

wtf is so hard to admit that he took to much of the magic stuff in the last 2 weeks

instead i read long bull****s explanation about how good valverde is at tt on spanish soil and what good bike handler it is.

I think Dumoulin was very suspicious, probably stepped up his game big time this year.

 

[EnacheV]

I think Dumoulin was very suspicious, probably stepped up his game big time this year.

He is 23 and got decent results last year, who knows. Maybe he targeted this race as a possible good result for him, he doesn't have great chances for good results in bigger races.

 

[EnacheV]

tomorrow i will discuss the Wiggins/Porte/Kiryenka equal, the new ITT powerhouse Javi Moreno, an emblematic product of the new and improved Movistar school of time trialing against the clock.

 

[the sceptic]

tomorrow i will discuss the Wiggins/Porte/Kiryenka equal, the new ITT powerhouse Javi Moreno, an emblematic product of the new and improved Movistar school of time trialing against the clock.

or maybe you could get yourself banned again? Id prefer that.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

tomorrow i will discuss the Wiggins/Porte/Kiryenka equal, the new ITT powerhouse Javi Moreno, an emblematic product of the new and improved Movistar school of time trialing against the clock.

Moreno was insane in last years Vuelta, so he is no suprise at all. He has improved steadily over the years and most people agree that he will have a good career.

 

[EnacheV]

or maybe you could get yourself banned again? Id prefer that.

Probably we know what happens to people going against the "consensus"

 

[EnacheV]

Moreno was insane in last years Vuelta, so he is no suprise at all. He has improved steadily over the years and most people agree that he will have a good career.

i don't know, i look at his ITT/prologue results and

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Probably we know what happens to people going against the "consensus"

difference between going against the "consensus" and to declare the 9/11 as a Jewish conspiracy

 

[Dear Wiggo]

2014: Wiggins beaten for 2s/km by Valverde over 7km. OUTRAGEOUS!!

2012: Valverde beaten for 10s/km by Wiggins over 52km. Perfectly fine, nothing to see, move on.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

If Wiggo and Valverde were in a breakaway, who would you expect to win the sprint if they made it to the finish line?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

In a technical descent, between Wiggins and Valverde, who would you expect to arrive at the bottom first?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Now count the corners or roundabouts in the TT circuit and do the math. Pretty confident Valverde regenerates AWC quicker than Wiggo.

And they're both doped, so it's a "level playing field".

 

[EnacheV]

In a technical descent, between Wiggins and Valverde, who would you expect to arrive at the bottom first?

what have descent, sprint and few corners have to do with a 52.5 km/h avg. speed completely flat prologue ? learn some cycling better and stop trolling with nonsense?

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

What do you think of the fact that Sir Brad can average 52km/h over 44km here:
http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=23029
And he can't match that speed over 7km today

 

[Dear Wiggo]

what have descent, sprint and few corners have to do with a 52.5 km/h avg. speed completely flat prologue ? learn some cycling better and stop trolling with nonsense?

It's basic physiology. As for trolling, you are podiuming all three spots solo; noone in this thread is worthy to tie your hairy shoes.

 

[Ferminal]

Now count the corners or roundabouts in the TT circuit and do the math. Pretty confident Valverde regenerates AWC quicker than Wiggo.

And they're both doped, so it's a "level playing field".

Wouldn't call Wiggins doped until you see how he goes today. Talk of a high achieving season is probably just that.