As a reminder to those who might think otherwise, I really appreciate the light Joe Papp is shedding on doping in professional cycling. It is VERY impressionable with me.
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scribe said:
It didn't hurt my feelings. I was just pointing out what is always true about you. You are the one that seems a bit sensitive about it all.
scribe said:
here's a tip. when people roll their eyes at you, it is not a sign that you've hurt their feelings.
scribe said:
You seriously need to read up on that irony thingy. It will do wonders for your self perception.
scribe said:
See, cause this was directed at Race Radio's comment to another person's post, and see you just well...I am hoping you have the intellect to connect the dots here, but I am not overly optimistic.
scribe said:
Due to the anonymous nature of the internet people tend to be more outspoken than they would in face to face discussions. Perhaps you should treat these snarky coments the same way you would those embarassing silent moments that occur immediately after you blurt out something silly at a social gathering. I am sure you have plenty of experience with that.
gentlemen please...i generally enjoy all your posts, but the clinic does bring out the venom. now touch gloves and come out fighting!
usedtobefast said:gentlemen please...i generally enjoy all your posts, but the clinic does bring out the venom. now touch gloves and come out fighting!
I am trying! But I tap one to kick up some dust with and 4-5 show up. It's really odd.
Can we get on back to Joe Papp's blood? lol
Hugh Januss said:He sometimes does special favors for some of the moderators.
Yea, my knee pads are wearing thin...
BPS is the greatest troll ever on this forum. He isn't in the elite echelon of Jeff Vader the all time greatest, but that guy is a hoot! Man I live reading his satire.
Joe,joe_papp said:That's correct. There is no diagnosis yet b/c I've not yet seen an endocrinologist for more complete testing. The posting of the different blood tests is just to provide two different reference points...slightly younger and very doped, and now, w/o dope, w/ health problems and always tired, lethargic, not experiencing expected positive changes in body composition in response to training, etc.
I don't know if the symptoms I have now are caused by primary or secondary issues, and what role - if any - doping played in this. I'm just trying to put into a public forum actual data from an elite athlete who was doped and post-doped. I know I don't need to say this for 99% of the people here, who are sophisticated enough to realize what's going on, but...for the rest: it doesn't matter that I didn't ride the Tour de France, b/c that's irrelevant to analyzing the effects of doping. In 2006 I had UCI points in the America Tour, the European Tour and the Asia Tour. I didn't have any ProTour points (or whatever it was called then) and I didn't have any points from Oceania Tour (if that even existed then). So while I wasn't in the GT milieu in '06, I was still in the "doping" milieu and I had a former GT-rider for a roommate.
Ultimately, as I start to become more open and share more information in a more public way, my hope is that by offering myself as an example w/ documented evidence there will be a name and a face and a body and a pair of eyes and a voice to go along with the previously abstract warnings about how doping is dangerous and why it shouldn't be done, and what the consequences can be...and hopefully even if you do get mixed up in it and messed up by it, through honesty and atoning for mistakes made you can right your life and find a place in the world.
I expect, of course, to be hassled, heckled, and hated upon along the way...I've had two years of that already and it's true that one does start to develop a resistance to anonymous emails and insults and fanboys.
I appreciate your honesty and frankness about doping in professional cycling.
I for one, think its very insightful to the layperson who enjoys watching the sport and doesn't get to hear much about the true 'goings on' in the professional peloton, especially with cycling's omerta.
I wish you all the best with your upcoming endrocrinology testing!
FWIW, I had a friend about 10 years ago who had frequently used steroids, testosterone, and GH, while body building off and on for several years.
Long story, short, one day out of the blue he started exhibiting symptoms that sound extremely similar to the symptoms that you have described.
After batteries of tests with endrocrinologists, and other specialists, they determined him to have 'Graves Disease'.
His symptoms mimicked your symptoms. He had zero energy, whereas he used to be full of energy. And he ended up losing a lot of weight soon afterwards.
Eventually, and I can't remember the details, the doctors had to 'kill' his thyroid and put him on medication to regulate his thyroid.
He's doing fine the last time I saw him.
Granted, you could have something totally different going on.
Anyway, just throwing that out there as something to possibly consider while trying to pinpoint your current health issues.
Hopefully its something simple, like some sort of deficiency, etc.
Godspeed Joe Pap!
Tockit
BanProCycling said:
Since you have been banned here a few times perhaps you can tell us how you are still around?
Thanks!
THANKS! And thanks to everyone who has contacted me by email or via PM to express similar sentiments. This is most-appreciated, as the effects of low-t or an under-active thyroid CAN ruin your day, every day. Seriously. So the support @ a personal level is appreciated, and the understanding of what I"m trying to do more broadly in sharing this information is great. Keep repeating it...pass it on, talk about the reality of this - not me per se, but what still goes on in cycling and is hurting the sport.
[I had to remove the post temporarily with the blood work in it due to the a-hole who had way too much free time on his/her hands and copied the info and used it inappropriately, nefariously contacting people with whom I am associated, doing business or engaged...idiot.
tockit said:
THANKS! And thanks to everyone who has contacted me by email or via PM to express similar sentiments. This is most-appreciated, as the effects of low-t or an under-active thyroid CAN ruin your day, every day. Seriously. So the support @ a personal level is appreciated, and the understanding of what I"m trying to do more broadly in sharing this information is great.
Keep repeating it...pass it on, talk about the reality of this - not me per se, but what still goes on in cycling and is hurting the sport. [I had to remove the post temporarily with the blood work in it due to the a-hole who had way too much free time on his/her hands and copied the info and used it inappropriately, nefariously contacting people with whom I am associated, doing business or engaged...idiot.
Thanks Joe and all the informative, constructive posters.
This thread shows what forums are good for.
This thread shows what forums are good for.
Joe, were you using pharmaceutical grade PEDs? I ask because, part of the problem could be from kitchen-grade chemicals.
You should surf the body building forums where the problems you are describing are old hat. Likely you low rbc's are a result from your low testosterone.
Here's good one: http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-forum/
You should surf the body building forums where the problems you are describing are old hat. Likely you low rbc's are a result from your low testosterone.
Here's good one: http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-forum/
Looks like more info from negative and after effects of doping there than CEM.
Thanks again for sharing Joe, your honesty is appreciated but us in the circle, if you will.
Someone needs to track that person down and kick him in the nuts.joe_papp said:
Thanks again for sharing Joe, your honesty is appreciated but us in the circle, if you will.
HelmutRoole said:
To the best of my knowledge all medicines were pharma-grade, for human consumption, produced by pharma co's. I may have taken ATP for horses once or twice
, but any GH, EPO or test was always intended for human consumption.
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