Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[Miburo]

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@Valv.Piti

How do you think stage 13 & stage 18 will go for Nairo in comparison to Froome? He’s never been a formidable time trialist like Froome or Contador. So should we be a litte worried about the time trials or do you think our boy will be just fine and not lose much ground on these 2 stages?

I know that Nairo has been improving his TT but i just can't stop thinking about the 2 TT-stages in 2013 where he conceded 3:16 (at Mont Saint-Michel) and the other 1:11 he lost (from Embrun to Chorges) to Froome.

Also, there is no team time trial in TDF 2016. One of those 2 TT being a team time trial would be much better because we can held our own against the likes of Sky and even BMC Racing. What's your take on it?

If you see a top contador at tour, i expect quintana to loose something like 2.30 minutes to contador. He lost 28 seconds in just 4 km to contador in TT's pais vasco. Contador is a beast in MTT

quintan will do both itt's better than contador. contador isn't a beast in mtt at all/ quintana is though

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA

 

[Valv.Piti]

You can look at the Vuelta ITT from 2015, all the Pais Vasco ones and Romandie from this year. Quintana has been a beast lately in hilly TT's and has a tendency to get extremely underrated, especially by Contador-fans. And the ITT in Vuelta wasn't exactly hilly.

 

[portugal11]

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You can look at the Vuelta ITT from 2015, all the Pais Vasco ones and Romandie from this year. Quintana has been a beast lately in hilly TT's and has a tendency to get extremely underrated, especially by Contador-fans. And the ITT in Vuelta wasn't exactly hilly.

No he isn't underrated... he is way better in TT this year but contador is best in the world in hilly/mountain TT.

 

[Red Rick]

If gaps are well over a minute between them in the first TT I'd be suprised

 

[Valv.Piti]

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If gaps are well over a minute between them in the first TT I'd be suprised

Exactly. Quintana won't lose more than 1 minute here

 

[Miburo]

Ryo saying contador isn't a beast in MTT is hilarious besides what is his info?

Contador barely did any MTT, the one in the giro '08? he was a poor climber there so barely counts. Giro '11? Yea. Vuelta '08? he was second there iirc.

And of course hilly ITT Contador is the best rider of the last 20 years in it. Try and make a case for any other rider, i would love to see that.

 

[MovistarRider]

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Ryo saying contador isn't a beast in MTT is hilarious besides what is his info?

Contador barely did any MTT, the one in the giro '08? he was a poor climber there so barely counts. Giro '11? Yea. Vuelta '08? he was second there iirc.

And of course hilly ITT Contador is the best rider of the last 20 years in it. Try and make a case for any other rider, i would love to see that.

Rather than claiming that Contador is the best rider of the last 20 years in hilly ITT you should ask yourself, is the 2016 Contador version still up to it's usual high standards to beat his direct rivals with the quite a big gap you're predicting?

You're overrating your Alberto and, quite frankly, underrating Nairo Quintana.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Ryo saying contador isn't a beast in MTT is hilarious besides what is his info?

Contador barely did any MTT, the one in the giro '08? he was a poor climber there so barely counts. Giro '11? Yea. Vuelta '08? he was second there iirc.

And of course hilly ITT Contador is the best rider of the last 20 years in it. Try and make a case for any other rider, i would love to see that.

Rather than claiming that Contador is the best rider of the last 20 years in hilly ITT you should ask yourself, is the 2016 Contador version still up to it's usual high standards to beat his direct rivals with the quite a big gap you're predicting?

You're overrating your Alberto and, quite frankly, underrating Nairo Quintana.

Its just how it is on this forum. Remember, Alberto has never been beaten in peak-shape, ever.

I could think of many time trialists in the last 20 years that I'd rather have to such an ITT. I think Miburo knows that Armstrong was in a league of his own - he even beat Contador in 2010 in the prologue. Look no further than Chamrousse or Alpe d Huez or the flat/hilly TT's he dominated year in and year out. Contador never has done that to that extent, ever.

 

[Miburo]

Hilly ITT, not a prologue or some flat ***. Don't misquote people.

And Contador rekt Quintana in the hilly ITT this year; almost 30 sec in a few km.

 

[SeriousSam]

Predicting how they'll do at a Tour MTT is almost the same as predicting what form they'll turn up in. There is no MTT specificity, or if there is, those 1-3 observations of MTTs we have don't mean anything.

It's almost all about climbing ability. For that small component that is about something else, I give the edge to Contador, the better time trialler in general. If we add Froome to the discussion, though, it is of course the Briton that projects to be the best.

 

[Miburo]

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Predicting how they'll do at a Tour MTT is almost the same as predicting what form they'll turn up in. There is no MTT specificity, or if there is, those 1-3 observations of MTTs we have don't mean anything.

It's almost all about climbing ability. For that small component that is about something else, I give the edge to Contador, the better time trialler in general. If we add Froome to the discussion, though, it is of course the Briton that projects to be the best.

Yea pretty much.

 

[ILovecycling]

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Predicting how they'll do at a Tour MTT is almost the same as predicting what form they'll turn up in. There is no MTT specificity, or if there is, those 1-3 observations of MTTs we have don't mean anything.

It's almost all about climbing ability. For that small component that is about something else, I give the edge to Contador, the better time trialler in general. If we add Froome to the discussion, though, it is of course the Briton that projects to be the best.

Finally a reasonable post
You cant predict mtt, its about form and current recovery (ok,thats plus for AC and NQ,but still its about form)

 

[ILovecycling]

Dauphine will be crucial for our predictions,if AC is 2014, then Froome is not a rider ( for Nairo) to be worried about the most.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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You can look at the Vuelta ITT from 2015, all the Pais Vasco ones and Romandie from this year. Quintana has been a beast lately in hilly TT's and has a tendency to get extremely underrated, especially by Contador-fans. And the ITT in Vuelta wasn't exactly hilly.

No he isn't underrated... he is way better in TT this year but contador is best in the world in hilly/mountain TT.

+1

 

[LaFlorecita]

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If Contador gains that much, if he is in that good shape, he will most likely also just drop Quintana uphill and win the Tour easily. +4 minutes territory, 2009-esque. Those times are over.

Contador is at 5 times the money back. I'll advise you place your money there!

Not all fans are obsessed with betting.

 

[dacooley]

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hell, what i really dislike on cn boards is that people hate to doubt . for sure it's way easier to handle one's pure speculative idea like a fact and criticize quintana in hindsigt. almost no one cares how much more difficult it is on the road than in written posts.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Anyway, it's Froome i'm worried about, not Contador. Even if you're right with your prediction Nairo would eat this 2.30 (plus some) out of Contador's hands in the mountain stages. I'm sorry but i don't see Contador as a threat to our boy in the overall standings. When it get's steep, Nairo is gone!

Yes, sure.
Let's see this year's mountain stage results:
Volta a Catalunya stage 3
Quintana +7s

Volta a Catalunya stage 4
Contador +15s

Vuelta al Pais Vasco stage 2
Quintana +4s

Vuelta al Pais Vasco stage 5
Quintana +28s

Vuelta al Pais Vasco stage 6 (uphill part)
Quintana +23s

Yes, it is obvious Alberto is no match for Quintana uphill

 

[ILovecycling]

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hell, what i really dislike on cn boards is that people hate to doubt . for sure it's way easier to handle one's pure speculative idea like a fact and criticize quintana in hindsigt. almost no one cares how much more difficult it is on the road than in written posts.

yea,surely there is no cyclist among us
Of course we know how the form,weather,food etc can be a ***

 

[ILovecycling]

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Anyway, it's Froome i'm worried about, not Contador. Even if you're right with your prediction Nairo would eat this 2.30 (plus some) out of Contador's hands in the mountain stages. I'm sorry but i don't see Contador as a threat to our boy in the overall standings. When it get's steep, Nairo is gone!

Yes, sure.
Let's see this year's mountain stage results:
Volta a Catalunya stage 3
Quintana +7s

Volta a Catalunya stage 4
Contador +15s

Vuelta al Pais Vasco stage 2
Quintana +4s

Vuelta al Pais Vasco stage 5
Quintana +28s

Vuelta al Pais Vasco stage 6 (uphill part)
Quintana +23s

Yes, it is obvious Alberto is no match for Quintana uphill

LOL

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Anyway, it's Froome i'm worried about, not Contador. Even if you're right with your prediction Nairo would eat this 2.30 (plus some) out of Contador's hands in the mountain stages. I'm sorry but i don't see Contador as a threat to our boy in the overall standings. When it get's steep, Nairo is gone!

Yes, sure.
Let's see this year's mountain stage results:
Volta a Catalunya stage 3
Quintana +7s

Volta a Catalunya stage 4
Contador +15s

Vuelta al Pais Vasco stage 2
Quintana +4s

Vuelta al Pais Vasco stage 5
Quintana +28s

Vuelta al Pais Vasco stage 6 (uphill part)
Quintana +23s

Yes, it is obvious Alberto is no match for Quintana uphill

lol @ you coming up with results in hilly finishes

 

[Miburo]

And in Catalunya Contador was responding on everything which was his own fault of course.

 

[ILovecycling]

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Anyway, it's Froome i'm worried about, not Contador. Even if you're right with your prediction Nairo would eat this 2.30 (plus some) out of Contador's hands in the mountain stages. I'm sorry but i don't see Contador as a threat to our boy in the overall standings. When it get's steep, Nairo is gone!

Yes, sure.
Let's see this year's mountain stage results:
Volta a Catalunya stage 3
Quintana +7s

Volta a Catalunya stage 4
Contador +15s

Vuelta al Pais Vasco stage 2
Quintana +4s

Vuelta al Pais Vasco stage 5
Quintana +28s

Vuelta al Pais Vasco stage 6 (uphill part)
Quintana +23s

Yes, it is obvious Alberto is no match for Quintana uphill

lol @ you coming up with results in hilly finishes

cuz there is no comparison for mtt

 

[SeriousSam]

All these results just aren't very predictive for the Tour.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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All these results just aren't very predictive for the Tour.

Everybody and their blind relative know that Port Ainé is the closest measuring stick to a regular TdF-climb. Quintana beat Contador. I don't care if Contador responded to attacks or whatever, even if he had not, Quintana simply had much more in the tank in the last kilometre. Pais Vasco climbs are 3-5 kilometres - not exactly Quintana's speciality.

The question in hand was the TT's - if both are ready, which we need to assume they are, I don't think Quintana will lose more than one minute. He has really improved in that discipline.

Anyways, I don't really worry about Contador. Froome is the man to beat in the Tour de France. I think Quintana knows that.

 

[ILovecycling]

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All these results just aren't very predictive for the Tour.

Everybody and their blind relative know that Port Ainé is the closest measuring stick to a regular TdF-climb. Quintana beat Contador. I don't care if Contador responded to attacks or whatever, even if he had not, Quintana simply had much more in the tank in the last kilometre. Pais Vasco climbs are 3-5 kilometres - not exactly Quintana's speciality.

The question in hand was the TT's - if both are ready, which we need to assume they are, I don't think Quintana will lose more than one minute. He has really improved in that discipline.

Anyways, I don't really worry about Contador. Froome is the man to beat in the Tour de France. I think Quintana knows that.

Whole post sounded pretty reasonable, and then came the last sentense
Can you give reasons for that?
AC is obviously in great form an he is the only one who can beat Quintana with worse climbing legs, Froome cant.