Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[SeriousSam]

The case for Froome being the favourite is clear. It's that he was the strongest climber at the Tour in 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure and 2015. He was also the strongest time trialist of the non-specialists in those Tours in which it was important: 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure.

Since he hasn't reached the age where decline becomes a concern, it is a widely held belief, especially by those individuals that are actually willing to pay for it in the event they are mistaken, that Froome is the man to beat.

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

...really?

Really. Given that he was the best climber in 2013 and 2015, it's difficult to impute any other value for 2014. I think he would have out-climbed Nibal, even though Nibali did reach a supreme climbing level he hadn't before and hasn't since.

 

[Red Rick]

The case for Froome being the favourite is clear. It's that he was the strongest climber at the Tour in 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure and 2015. He was also the strongest time trialist of the non-specialists in those Tours in which it was important: 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure.

Since he hasn't reached the age where decline becomes a concern, it is a widely held belief, especially by those individuals that are actually willing to pay for it in the event they are mistaken, that Froome is the man to beat.

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

...really?

Really. Given that he was the best climber in 2013 and on one stage in 2015, it's possible for me extrapolate this to 2014, and because I make it sound somewhat rational, without looking at anything else, I can use it in a void attempt to validate my own bs.

Thank for being honest

 

[Miburo]

Serioussam finally admitted it, Red Rick

 

[SergeDeM]

The case for Froome being the favourite is clear. It's that he was the strongest climber at the Tour in 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure and 2015. He was also the strongest time trialist of the non-specialists in those Tours in which it was important: 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure.

Since he hasn't reached the age where decline becomes a concern, it is a widely held belief, especially by those individuals that are actually willing to pay for it in the event they are mistaken, that Froome is the man to beat.

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

...really?

Really. Given that he was the best climber in 2013 and 2015, it's difficult to impute any other value for 2014. I think he would have out-climbed Nibal, even though Nibali did reach a supreme climbing level he hadn't before and hasn't since.

He has now

 

[ILovecycling]

The case for Froome being the favourite is clear. It's that he was the strongest climber at the Tour in 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure and 2015. He was also the strongest time trialist of the non-specialists in those Tours in which it was important: 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure.

Since he hasn't reached the age where decline becomes a concern, it is a widely held belief, especially by those individuals that are actually willing to pay for it in the event they are mistaken, that Froome is the man to beat.

LOOOOOOOOOOOL
D
...really?

Really. Given that he was the best climber in 2013 and 2015, it's difficult to impute any other value for 2014. I think he would have out-climbed Nibal, even though Nibali did reach a supreme climbing level he hadn't before and hasn't since.

He has now

I think he would drop Valverde by more than 20secs in 2014 form
His form was exceptional and the battle with other 3 from the Big 4 would have been very close.

 

[SeriousSam]

The case for Froome being the favourite is clear. It's that he was the strongest climber at the Tour in 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure and 2015. He was also the strongest time trialist of the non-specialists in those Tours in which it was important: 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure.

Since he hasn't reached the age where decline becomes a concern, it is a widely held belief, especially by those individuals that are actually willing to pay for it in the event they are mistaken, that Froome is the man to beat.

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

...really?

Really. Given that he was the best climber in 2013 and on one stage in 2015, it's possible for me extrapolate this to 2014, and because I make it sound somewhat rational, without looking at anything else, I can use it in a void attempt to validate my own bs.

Thank for being honest

Putting words in my mouth I see. Sneaky, but I trust that attentive readers will note that I would not refer to the imputation of a value that temporally lies between two others as 'extrapolation'.

And that the missing value lies between 2013 and 2015 is, incidentally, why it is so likely Froome would have reached the same level in 2014, which coupled with the fact that his climbing in 2013 and 2015 was the greatest witnessed in recent years, is why he would likely have been the best climber of the 2014 Tour.

 

[SergeDeM]

Actually, it's 2:27 in two days to Valverde. A somehow still improving Valverde.

 

[PremierAndrew]

The case for Froome being the favourite is clear. It's that he was the strongest climber at the Tour in 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure and 2015. He was also the strongest time trialist of the non-specialists in those Tours in which it was important: 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure.

Since he hasn't reached the age where decline becomes a concern, it is a widely held belief, especially by those individuals that are actually willing to pay for it in the event they are mistaken, that Froome is the man to beat.

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

...really?

Really. Given that he was the best climber in 2013 and on one stage in 2015, it's possible for me extrapolate this to 2014, and because I make it sound somewhat rational, without looking at anything else, I can use it in a void attempt to validate my own bs.

Thank for being honest

Putting words in my mouth I see. Sneaky, but I trust that attentive readers will note that I would not refer to the imputation of a value that temporally lies between two others as 'extrapolation'.

And that the missing value lies between 2013 and 2015 is, incidentally, why it is so likely Froome would have reached the same level in 2014, which coupled with the fact that his climbing in 2013 and 2015 was the greatest witnessed in recent years, is why he would likely have been the best climber of the 2014 Tour.

Technically speaking, that's not extrapolation, it's interpolation, which is far more reliable than extrapolation.

2014 Contador was clearly at a different level to 2013 and 2015, so whether Froome was the strongest climber, we don't know.
Also, Froome was definitely stronger in 2013 than 2015. While his performance on PSM was simply insane, 2013 Froome put on similar performances on the climbs in 2013 whilst being able to match (albeit injured) Tony Martin on flat TTs. So you could argue that there is a slight decline, or that 2014 was a wakeup call for Froome to improve for 2015. We simply don't know

 

[ILovecycling]

Quintana, Valverde, Anacona, Amador, Castroviejo, Erviti, Jesús Herrada, Gorka Izagirre, Dani Moreno y Ventoso, for 9 places

Who should not go to TdF with Quintana?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re:

Quintana, Valverde, Anacona, Amador, Castroviejo, Erviti, Jesús Herrada, Gorka Izagirre, Dani Moreno y Ventoso, for 9 places

Who should not go to TdF with Quintana?

Its basically as I predicted in the Movistar-thread. 1 of the following 3 shouldn't go: Ventoso, Amador and J. Herrada if Castroviejo is ready.
Edit: Where did you get the information from?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Quintana, Valverde, Anacona, Amador, Castroviejo, Erviti, Jesús Herrada, Gorka Izagirre, Dani Moreno y Ventoso, for 9 places

Who should not go to TdF with Quintana?

no ion izagirre?

 

[liamito]

Re: Re:

Quintana, Valverde, Anacona, Amador, Castroviejo, Erviti, Jesús Herrada, Gorka Izagirre, Dani Moreno y Ventoso, for 9 places

Who should not go to TdF with Quintana?

no ion izagirre?

And miss Poland? No way.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Re: Re:

Quintana, Valverde, Anacona, Amador, Castroviejo, Erviti, Jesús Herrada, Gorka Izagirre, Dani Moreno y Ventoso, for 9 places

Who should not go to TdF with Quintana?

Its basically as I predicted in the Movistar-thread. 1 of the following 3 shouldn't go: Ventoso, Amador and J. Herrada if Castroviejo is ready.
Edit: Where did you get the information from?

out of that list they shouldn't send ventoso. no cobbles or serious dangerous flat stages. amador is also better for piloting in hilly stages.

 

[Mr.White]

Re: Re:

Quintana, Valverde, Anacona, Amador, Castroviejo, Erviti, Jesús Herrada, Gorka Izagirre, Dani Moreno y Ventoso, for 9 places

Who should not go to TdF with Quintana?

Its basically as I predicted in the Movistar-thread. 1 of the following 3 shouldn't go: Ventoso, Amador and J. Herrada if Castroviejo is ready.
Edit: Where did you get the information from?

I think Ventoso is going as a protection on the flat together with Erviti. It's between Herrada and Amador if Castro is good. I would bring Herrada and left Amador out, he's certainly pretty tired

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

amador was sick during the giro. should mean he may have something left in the tank.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Re: Re:

And miss Poland? No way.

Miss Poland? Yes way.

 

[dacooley]

Re:

Serioussam finally admitted it, Red Rick

anyway his lobby is way more gentle than the one people promote in the opposite camp

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Re:

amador was sick during the giro. should mean he may have something left in the tank.

Sickness makes you weaker not stronger.

 

[jens_attacks]

Re: Re:

And miss Poland? No way.

Miss Poland? Yes way.

that is sexist!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Re: Re:

amador was sick during the giro. should mean he may have something left in the tank.

Sickness makes you weaker not stronger.

sickness means you can't go full which means you keep reserve for when you improve.

 

[liamito]

Re: Re:

And miss Poland? No way.

Miss Poland? Yes way.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Re: Re:

amador was sick during the giro. should mean he may have something left in the tank.

Sickness makes you weaker not stronger.

sickness means you can't go full which means you keep reserve for when you improve.

You can't go full, but you spend as much energy as when you go full or even more.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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amador was sick during the giro. should mean he may have something left in the tank.

Sickness makes you weaker not stronger.

sickness means you can't go full which means you keep reserve for when you improve.

You can't go full, but you spend as much energy as when you go full or even more.

but once you recover from the sickness you are in very good form

 

[ILovecycling]

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And miss Poland? No way.

Miss Poland? Yes way.

that is sexist!

Who cares


btw I took the lineup from bicicislismo FYI
I think Amador should be left out.

 

[Escarabajo]

Amador should be left out. Might need longer time to recover. Plus there is no TTT and he is not a pure climber. So there is not really a good reason to take him.