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ILovecycling said:
Valv.Piti said:
SeriousSam said:
All these results just aren't very predictive for the Tour.
Everybody and their blind relative know that Port Ainé is the closest measuring stick to a regular TdF-climb. Quintana beat Contador. I don't care if Contador responded to attacks or whatever, even if he had not, Quintana simply had much more in the tank in the last kilometre. Pais Vasco climbs are 3-5 kilometres - not exactly Quintana's speciality.

The question in hand was the TT's - if both are ready, which we need to assume they are, I don't think Quintana will lose more than one minute. He has really improved in that discipline.

Anyways, I don't really worry about Contador. Froome is the man to beat in the Tour de France. I think Quintana knows that.
Whole post sounded pretty reasonable, and then came the last sentense :D
Can you give reasons for that?
AC is obviously in great form an he is the only one who can beat Quintana with worse climbing legs, Froome cant.
Considering Quintana is the favoured rider over Contador and that last sentence, just reversed, is echoed even more extreme in the Contador-thread than what I just did, I don't think there is anything wrong with it. Im of the mindset that Froome is the man to beat and if Contador was to show up in superb shape, I'm pretty sure Nairo will handle him on Ventoux and Emosson anyways!
 
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Valv.Piti said:
ILovecycling said:
Valv.Piti said:
SeriousSam said:
All these results just aren't very predictive for the Tour.
Everybody and their blind relative know that Port Ainé is the closest measuring stick to a regular TdF-climb. Quintana beat Contador. I don't care if Contador responded to attacks or whatever, even if he had not, Quintana simply had much more in the tank in the last kilometre. Pais Vasco climbs are 3-5 kilometres - not exactly Quintana's speciality.

The question in hand was the TT's - if both are ready, which we need to assume they are, I don't think Quintana will lose more than one minute. He has really improved in that discipline.

Anyways, I don't really worry about Contador. Froome is the man to beat in the Tour de France. I think Quintana knows that.
Whole post sounded pretty reasonable, and then came the last sentense :D
Can you give reasons for that?
AC is obviously in great form an he is the only one who can beat Quintana with worse climbing legs, Froome cant.
Considering Quintana is the favoured rider over Contador and that last sentence, just reversed, is echoed even more extreme in the Contador-thread than what I just did, I don't think there is anything wrong with it. Im of the mindset that Froome is the man to beat and if Contador was to show up in superb shape, I'm pretty sure Nairo will handle him on Ventoux and Emosson anyways!
They view it as disrespectful that we consider Froome as a bigger threat than Contador. Sorry to disappoint the Contador fans but Quintana himself, the whole Movistar team, Eusebio Unzue and all the Movistar/Quintana fans rate Froome as a bigger threat than Contador for the yellow.

And although this year’s parcours (in comparison to last year) is designed for and suits the 'complete cyclist' more i don't see how Contador can beat Quintana in the standings after those 21 stages.

Ventoux, Emosson and even Morzine are the stages where Quintana will deliver the final blow to Contador. Contador would need a big gap-advantage to Quintana in the TT if he wants to keep any hope on the yellow cause in Ventoux experience having already shown what sort of time gaps can be prised open on one of the most iconic climbs of all. I expect great things of Nairo in especially that Ventoux stage. Can't see Contador follow Nairo in that stage, not at all.
 
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And contador only cares about froome, he don't see quintana as a real threat... quintana is always sucking alberto's wheel and still exist some people saying quintana doesn't care about contador...ok :eek:
 
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portugal11 said:
And contador only cares about froome, he don't see quintana as real threat...
Lets let the legs talk. This is pointless. Imagine the outrage if I went into the Contador-thread and posted such things - multiple reports, fights and LF, blackmamba and the rest spamming rolling eyes smileys.
 
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portugal11 said:
And contador only cares about froome, he don't see quintana as a real threat... quintana is always sucking alberto's wheel and still exist some people saying quintana doesn't care about contador...ok :eek:
Good for him. I'm not one bit interested in what Alberto thinks about Froome, Quintana or about whatever. Enough of this big-talk, they will all see each other soon. Lets wait till then who has been right.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
SeriousSam said:
All these results just aren't very predictive for the Tour.
Everybody and their blind relative know that Port Ainé is the closest measuring stick to a regular TdF-climb. Quintana beat Contador. I don't care if Contador responded to attacks or whatever, even if he had not, Quintana simply had much more in the tank in the last kilometre. Pais Vasco climbs are 3-5 kilometres - not exactly Quintana's speciality.

The question in hand was the TT's - if both are ready, which we need to assume they are, I don't think Quintana will lose more than one minute. He has really improved in that discipline.

Anyways, I don't really worry about Contador. Froome is the man to beat in the Tour de France. I think Quintana knows that.
What is relevant to the topic here ( Ac vs NQ in the Tour topic) is the part before the last sentence. And I'm still waiting for the Contador fanboys and girls to reply to this comment without referring to the last sentence ( which I don't agree with )
 
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If you think Contador is gonna act in the tour like he did on the port ainé, you're in for a surprise. The climb wasn't that steep and contador closed all the gaps while quintana was in his wheel.

Contador had no choice but to follow the attacks and he also had to distance Martin. Quintana outsmarted him there more than he was actually better. At least imo and keep in mind that a week before that he raced paris-nice while quintana could ease up. These are all factors you've to keep in mind.

Quintana being that bad on arrate was worse imo. And saying hills doesn't suit quintana doesn't justify him losing 30 sec to Contador in 4-5 km in the ITT.

I think quintana has a good chance to win the tour though. I think they're all (froome, contador and quintana) pretty much even, well i'm saying that cause i'm not sure if we'll see 2014 Contador. If that Contador will be present in the tour, he's the favorite imo.
 
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Eclipse said:
yaco said:
Gee, Quintana is very under-rated on this forum - A newbie would wonder how Quintana ever wins a race.
Quintana's not really underrated, it's just that every thread on this forum becomes about Bertie lol
And then everyone starts complaining about bertie fans, very original mate :D

If you've a problem with a discussion in a forum, i don't know what to say but complaining about it is so constructive ;)
 
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Eclipse said:
yaco said:
Gee, Quintana is very under-rated on this forum - A newbie would wonder how Quintana ever wins a race.
Quintana's not really underrated, it's just that every thread on this forum becomes about Bertie lol
I dont think its surprising tho,... or is it?
 
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Valv.Piti said:
ILovecycling said:
Valv.Piti said:
SeriousSam said:
All these results just aren't very predictive for the Tour.
Everybody and their blind relative know that Port Ainé is the closest measuring stick to a regular TdF-climb. Quintana beat Contador. I don't care if Contador responded to attacks or whatever, even if he had not, Quintana simply had much more in the tank in the last kilometre. Pais Vasco climbs are 3-5 kilometres - not exactly Quintana's speciality.

The question in hand was the TT's - if both are ready, which we need to assume they are, I don't think Quintana will lose more than one minute. He has really improved in that discipline.

Anyways, I don't really worry about Contador. Froome is the man to beat in the Tour de France. I think Quintana knows that.
Whole post sounded pretty reasonable, and then came the last sentense :D
Can you give reasons for that?
AC is obviously in great form an he is the only one who can beat Quintana with worse climbing legs, Froome cant.
Considering Quintana is the favoured rider over Contador and that last sentence, just reversed, is echoed even more extreme in the Contador-thread than what I just did, I don't think there is anything wrong with it. Im of the mindset that Froome is the man to beat and if Contador was to show up in superb shape, I'm pretty sure Nairo will handle him on Ventoux and Emosson anyways!
I know and I dont have a problem with that :) ,just curious,why?
 
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The case for Froome being the favourite is clear. It's that he was the strongest climber at the Tour in 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure and 2015. He was also the strongest time trialist of the non-specialists in those Tours in which it was important: 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure.

Since he hasn't reached the age where decline becomes a concern, it is a widely held belief, especially by those individuals that are actually willing to pay for it in the event they are mistaken, that Froome is the man to beat.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Valv.Piti said:
If Contador gains that much, if he is in that good shape, he will most likely also just drop Quintana uphill and win the Tour easily. +4 minutes territory, 2009-esque. Those times are over.

Contador is at 5 times the money back. I'll advise you place your money there!
Not all fans are obsessed with betting.
Im not 'obsessed with betting', but I like objective probability which is reflected in the market

I love cycling: Sam pretty much explained it. Froome is the favourite until we are proven otherwise.
 
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Miburo said:
If you think Contador is gonna act in the tour like he did on the port ainé, you're in for a surprise. The climb wasn't that steep and contador closed all the gaps while quintana was in his wheel.

Contador had no choice but to follow the attacks and he also had to distance Martin. Quintana outsmarted him there more than he was actually better. At least imo and keep in mind that a week before that he raced paris-nice while quintana could ease up. These are all factors you've to keep in mind.

Quintana being that bad on arrate was worse imo. And saying hills doesn't suit quintana doesn't justify him losing 30 sec to Contador in 4-5 km in the ITT.

I think quintana has a good chance to win the tour though. I think they're all (froome, contador and quintana) pretty much even, well i'm saying that cause i'm not sure if we'll see 2014 Contador. If that Contador will be present in the tour, he's the favorite imo.
There are two components in the acting that you mention: -The first is the gradual closing of the attack by TJ and the half hearted 14 sec attack by Porte.
- The second is the launch of the attack by himself (because he was feeling good, (he said so himself ) and because he had to distance Martin) which Quintana followed and then countered, leaving him behind.

Now the race circumstances will say the ultimate word but which of those actions described in those components don't you see happening in the Tour?

As far as the comparison between PV and Catalunia goes:
You are simply trying to read too much into the details without reading the results and numbers
You are searching for the traces of the elephant while the elephant is in the room.
Pais Vasco performances can be extrapolated to stage 2, Liorian, MTT and (maybe) Lac payolle. And the Tour usually isn't won on suchlike stages.
It maybe won in ITTs though which is on Contadors' favpr by nature
 
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Miburo said:
If you think Contador is gonna act in the tour like he did on the port ainé, you're in for a surprise. The climb wasn't that steep and contador closed all the gaps while quintana was in his wheel.

Contador had no choice but to follow the attacks and he also had to distance Martin. Quintana outsmarted him there more than he was actually better. At least imo and keep in mind that a week before that he raced paris-nice while quintana could ease up. These are all factors you've to keep in mind.

Quintana being that bad on arrate was worse imo. And saying hills doesn't suit quintana doesn't justify him losing 30 sec to Contador in 4-5 km in the ITT.

I think quintana has a good chance to win the tour though. I think they're all (froome, contador and quintana) pretty much even, well i'm saying that cause i'm not sure if we'll see 2014 Contador. If that Contador will be present in the tour, he's the favorite imo.
It is quite curious to see how the Contador fans give so much importance to that little time Contador was pulling in the wind with Quintana at his wheel (the end of Port Aine is about 8-9 average, so it is quite step, and later was Quintana pulling and Contador at his wheel...) and they dont give importance at all the time Contador was at the wheel of Froome in Farrapona or Ancares.. Ancares at the end ha long flat of more than 1 Km, not that 100 meters Contador counterattack in Port Aine...or in that stage in Dauphine 2014 where they consider Froome was at a similar level (with Contador at his wheel long time)

Curious... :confused: ;)
 
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Taxus, go back at those vuelta threads, i hated that contador wheelsucked him in the vuelta to then sprint away. I respect your opinion, i hope you respect mine enough to not generalise :)

And i never used that vuelta as evidence that contador is better than froome, i honestly don't know. I hope he is.

The only real indicator is the stage 2 of the dauphine 2014 but even that is uncertain since contador improves always a lot for the tour. Look at "07, '09 and "10.
 
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Taxus4a said:
Miburo said:
If you think Contador is gonna act in the tour like he did on the port ainé, you're in for a surprise. The climb wasn't that steep and contador closed all the gaps while quintana was in his wheel.

Contador had no choice but to follow the attacks and he also had to distance Martin. Quintana outsmarted him there more than he was actually better. At least imo and keep in mind that a week before that he raced paris-nice while quintana could ease up. These are all factors you've to keep in mind.

Quintana being that bad on arrate was worse imo. And saying hills doesn't suit quintana doesn't justify him losing 30 sec to Contador in 4-5 km in the ITT.

I think quintana has a good chance to win the tour though. I think they're all (froome, contador and quintana) pretty much even, well i'm saying that cause i'm not sure if we'll see 2014 Contador. If that Contador will be present in the tour, he's the favorite imo.
It is quite curious to see how the Contador fans give so much importance to that little time Contador was pulling in the wind with Quintana at his wheel (the end of Port Aine is about 8-9 average, so it is quite step, and later was Quintana pulling and Contador at his wheel...) and they dont give importance at all the time Contador was at the wheel of Froome in Farrapona or Ancares.. Ancares at the end ha long flat of more than 1 Km, not that 100 meters Contador counterattack in Port Aine...or in that stage in Dauphine 2014 where they consider Froome was at a similar level (with Contador at his wheel long time)

Curious... :confused: ;)
You forget to explain that in la vuelta, contador was the leader, he only had to follow froome. In cataluna, quintana WASN'T the leader, he wheelsucked contador only to not left him win. He didn't do a single effort to crack martin and to follow garderen.
 
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Miburo said:
Taxus, go back at those vuelta threads, i hated that contador wheelsucked him in the vuelta to then sprint away. I respect your opinion, i hope you respect mine enough to not generalise :)

And i never used that vuelta as evidence that contador is better than froome, i honestly don't know. I hope he is.

The only real indicator is the stage 2 of the dauphine 2014 but even that is uncertain since contador improves always a lot for the tour. Look at "07, '09 and "10.
Ok, in that way it is not with you, but I use to read people about that issue of Port Aine and people use to dont give importance when is Contador wheelsucking.

You dont have to hate that in la Vuelta, Contador did very well, and he was strong enough to put some seconds at the end. I just say that for me that doenst show he was stronger, maybe similar, but to say Contador was stronger in the climbs that Vuelta to Froome is not true...He even wanst really stronger in the ITT, Froome did a mistake, but the fact is that Contador took in the ITT an important time enough to win la Vuelta.

IMO in Port Aine Quintana showed stronger than Contador, but yes, it is true that Contador took more the responsability, but not enough to change my mind. But that is normal, Quintana is the best climber of the world
 
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SeriousSam said:
The case for Froome being the favourite is clear. It's that he was the strongest climber at the Tour in 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure and 2015. He was also the strongest time trialist of the non-specialists in those Tours in which it was important: 2012, 2013, probably 2014 although we can't know for sure.

Since he hasn't reached the age where decline becomes a concern, it is a widely held belief, especially by those individuals that are actually willing to pay for it in the event they are mistaken, that Froome is the man to beat.
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
:D :D :D
...really?
:p
 
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Miburo said:
If you think Contador is gonna act in the tour like he did on the port ainé, you're in for a surprise. The climb wasn't that steep and contador closed all the gaps while quintana was in his wheel.

Contador had no choice but to follow the attacks and he also had to distance Martin. Quintana outsmarted him there more than he was actually better. At least imo and keep in mind that a week before that he raced paris-nice while quintana could ease up. These are all factors you've to keep in mind.

Quintana being that bad on arrate was worse imo. And saying hills doesn't suit quintana doesn't justify him losing 30 sec to Contador in 4-5 km in the ITT.

I think quintana has a good chance to win the tour though. I think they're all (froome, contador and quintana) pretty much even, well i'm saying that cause i'm not sure if we'll see 2014 Contador. If that Contador will be present in the tour, he's the favorite imo.
Context is irrelevant, only the outcome is relevant*

*so long as it dispositive of the point you're trying to make. :D

In all seriousness, Contador and Quintana was, at best, a push in the spring. They are my favorites going into the Tour de France. We'll see where Froome is at Dauphine, but he's behind in his preparation as far as I'm concerned
 

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