Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[ice&fire]

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I would love to see him to try like 2014 the double Giro-Vuelta and come back on TDF 2018 for the win. What do you think of this idea ?

Not going to happen the year the Tour is shorter in ITT kms than the other two GTs. Unzué will send to the Giro a team led by Amador for another random top-10 and Rubén Fernández to see how far he can go over three weeks. Quintana and Valverde will ride the two GTs that matter most to his main sponsor.

 

[Escarabajo]

Honestly, I don't think the sponsors will allow it. Nobody will go with that idea. Why? He already won both and certainly we can win them again. But he will not prove anything with that. He is second to Froome at the Tour. If some events fall his way he wins it. Simple. If you have in your team the number 1 challenger to Froome you take him to every Tour to at least try to win it.

Now from the nationalistic side of it, Colombia has been waiting for this for a long time and he knows it.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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I would love to see him to try like 2014 the double Giro-Vuelta and come back on TDF 2018 for the win. What do you think of this idea ?

Not going to happen the year the Tour is shorter in ITT kms than the other two GTs. Unzué will send to the Giro a team led by Amador for another random top-10 and Rubén Fernández to see how far he can go over three weeks. Quintana and Valverde will ride the two GTs that matter most to his main sponsor.

I'd want to see it since I feel the Tour-route is super uninspiring. But who knows, maybe it will be a good race and Nairo will be able to challenge Froome at least like he did in 2015.

I think chances are he will do Tour/Vuelta as well, but we can't really be sure about that still. I think Nairo likes what he sees in the Vuelta, despite the long and flat ITT. I'd prefer the Giro/Tour since it also will free Valverde up to lead a GT on a similar, albeit harder route than he won his first and only GT on in 2009.

Do you have a link to Fernández or is it just something you think? I thought he would be used as a mountain domestique since he pretty much is the best Movistar has at that job.

 

[ice&fire]

It's only my guess. He did the Giro in 2015 and was expected to do it also last year, but I can't recall if he missed because of illness or injury. And after Quintana, Valverde and Amador and the departure of Ion Izaguirre he's next in the queue of Movistar GC prospects. Unless Valverde plans to go Horner or Betancur brings back his 2013 form Unzué should start testing his younger riders for the role.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Quintana winning the Giro and Tour double this year would only consolidate him as the second best GT rider. Finishing second in the Tour would consolidate him as the second best GT rider. Winning the Tour, however, might change some people's perception of who the best GT rider is.

 

[Singer01]

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Quintana winning the Giro and Tour double this year would only consolidate him as the second best GT rider. Finishing second in the Tour would consolidate him as the second best GT rider. Winning the Tour, however, might change some people's perception of who the best GT rider is.

If he wins the tour against Froome & Contador, having already won the Giro against Nibs and Aru he is the best GT rider. There is no discussion about this.

 

[Escarabajo]

I think Hugo meant Giro-Vuelta double. Typo I think.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Oh yes, my bad. The Giro-Vuelta double of course.

 

[dacooley]

I'm still in doubt concerning nairo's participation in the giro. given the way things tend to develop in movistar for years, unzue is going to settle quintana down fast enough...

 

[masking_agent]

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Nairo is going to the Giro.
He said that the main goal is the Tour but, confirmed the double-attempt.
http://www.eltiempo.com/deportes/ciclismo/el-ciclista-nario-quintana-el-mejor-deportista-de-2016/16779353

Quite surprised to see this in this day and age of cycling. I highly doubt he'll win both. I don't think we'll ever see another Giro+Tour winner ever again. The last Giro+Tour win was back in 1998 w Pantani and we all know how much the sport , the racing and recovery have changed. I just don't see it happening at all unless he's in second place and is gifted the victory by the maglia rosa or maillot jaune crashing out of the race.

 

[saunaking]

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I don't think we'll ever see another Giro+Tour winner ever again.

I just don't see it happening at all unless he's in second place and is gifted the victory by the maglia rosa or maillot jaune crashing out of the race.

So which is it? ever is a long time. Someone will eventually pull the double, even a current active rider.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Nairo is going to the Giro.
He said that the main goal is the Tour but, confirmed the double-attempt.
http://www.eltiempo.com/deportes/ciclismo/el-ciclista-nario-quintana-el-mejor-deportista-de-2016/16779353

Quite surprised to see this in this day and age of cycling. I highly doubt he'll win both. I don't think we'll ever see another Giro+Tour winner ever again. The last Giro+Tour win was back in 1998 w Pantani and we all know how much the sport , the racing and recovery have changed. I just don't see it happening at all unless he's in second place and is gifted the victory by the maglia rosa or maillot jaune crashing out of the race.

Yes, that was before Unzué told us all to calm down a bit. Its a great link tho.

And yes, of course we will see it at one point. Quintana has a reasonably chance if he tries - all it takes is a Froome crash and Quintana getting 1-2% better.

 

[staubsauger]

Love to see him doing the double attempt. Since he's gonna fail dramatically anyway it's another year of continuous reminding that the last man to win both the Giro and the Tour in the same year was cycling's best climber ever: Marco Pantani <3

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

quintana can definitely do the double giro and tour. no doubt

 

[staubsauger]

Contador might've been able in 2010 instead of 2011. Basso might've succeeded in 2006 against Ullrich. Quintana? Zero chance!

 

[Põhja Konn]

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Contador might've been able in 2010 instead of 2011. Basso might've succeeded in 2006 against Ullrich. Quintana? Zero chance!

If you're talking strictly about upcoming season, then I agree. In the future it may well become possible for him. Right now Froome is too good to be beaten by someone doing his second consecutive GT (barring accidents of course).

From what I have seen over the last years, Quintana has a superior recovery, both within one GT and between GTs, compared to Contador and as such has a better chance pulling off the double in his career than Contador ever had, despite the latters obvious brilliance as GC rider.

 

[rick james]

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quintana can definitely do the double giro and tour. no doubt

Not with a Dawg about he can't

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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quintana can definitely do the double giro and tour. no doubt

Not with a Dawg about he can't

who is dawg? you mean froome? he can definitely beat him as he did in the vuelta

 

[Jspear]

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quintana can definitely do the double giro and tour. no doubt

Not with a Dawg about he can't

who is dawg? you mean froome? he can definitely beat him as he did in the vuelta

You do realize that all last year showed was that Quintana can be better than Froome if he rides a second GT and Froome is on his 2nd GT of the year and if he follows AC when he does one of his crazy attacks. That's very different then riding a hard Giro with stiffer/fresher competition and then going to race a fresh Froome. The odds are heavily against him.

 

[King Boonen]

I think I have a better chance of doing the double than Quintana does.

 

[staubsauger]

Quintana did not even beat Majka, Purito and Aru at the 2015 Vuelta after a full Tour peak.

 

[Breh]

He was ill during Vuelta 2015

 

[Jspear]

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He was ill during Vuelta 2015

Correct. This year tells us more, but even then I don't think he can do it. I think he'd do better than AC. I think he could win the Giro and then podium the Tour.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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I think I have a better chance of doing the double than Quintana does.

Thats a really poor attempt of trolling. Then again, your comment provoked a comment, so I guess it wasn't.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Contador might've been able in 2010 instead of 2011. Basso might've succeeded in 2006 against Ullrich. Quintana? Zero chance!

If you're talking strictly about upcoming season, then I agree. In the future it may well become possible for him. Right now Froome is too good to be beaten by someone doing his second consecutive GT (barring accidents of course).

From what I have seen over the last years, Quintana has a superior recovery, both within one GT and between GTs, compared to Contador and as such has a better chance pulling off the double in his career than Contador ever had, despite the latters obvious brilliance as GC rider.

Rohan Dennis has 0% of winning the double, Quintana most certainly doesn't. I'd say its around 5-10%.

Agree on the rest of your post.