Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[LaFlorecita]

Contador would tear him apart in that TT.

Indeed, even at the Vuelta Nairo was already 50s back after the hill and part of the descent. He'd lose 3+ minutes easily over 60km.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Yes Quintana has a more then decent TT and once that TT is hilly he becomes a top 10 rider.

He lost more than 2.5 minutes over 41km to Uran at this year's Giro, which was a hilly TT.

 

[Flamin]

Indeed, even at the Vuelta Nairo was already 50s back after the hill and part of the descent. He'd lose 3+ minutes easily over 60km.

Lol, why not make it 2 minutes if you're going to make up stuff anyway?

 

[cineteq]

He lost more than 2.5 minutes over 41km to Uran at this year's Giro, which was a hilly TT.

Not a fair comparison at all. Cheap shot. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/quintana-the-problem-was-with-my-breathing-not-with-my-legs

 

[LaFlorecita]

Lol, why not make it 2 minutes if you're going to make up stuff anyway?

Errr, did you watch the actual stage? GPS timing put him at 50 seconds before he crashed.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Not a fair comparison at all. Cheap shot. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/quintana-the-problem-was-with-my-breathing-not-with-my-legs

And how should I have known that? FFS.

 

[Flamin]

Errr, did you watch the actual stage? GPS timing put him at 50 seconds before he crashed.

Did you? Quintana was 21" behind at the top of the climb (official checkpoint) and crashed in the first corner of the descent. **** GPS timing

 

[Netserk]

Indeed, even at the Vuelta Nairo was already 50s back after the hill and part of the descent. He'd lose 3+ minutes easily over 60km.

He was 21'' after on the top and no times were given between that and his crash.

http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/...monasterio-santa-maria-veruela-borja/2738194/

Quintana crosses the first timecheck at 1:03:05
First shot of Quintana down at 1:03:45

 

[slosada]

Indeed, even at the Vuelta Nairo was already 50s back after the hill and part of the descent. He'd lose 3+ minutes easily over 60km.

from La Vanguardia

Tiempos en el primer punto intermedio (km.11,2) en el Alto del Moncayo en la etapa 10 de la Vuelta a España 2014:

1º Alberto Contador: 19'29''
2º Alejandro Valverde: +8''
3º Samuel Sánchez: +11''
4º Rigoberto Urán: +16''
5º Nairo Quintana: +20''
6º Jerome Coppel: +23''
7º Joaquim Rodríguez: +27''
8º Chris Froome: +28''
9º Dani Navarro: +30''
10º: Romain Sicard: +31''
11º: Tony Martin: +33''

I'm sure you are aware that the crash was just 300m after the checkpoint

 

[LaFlorecita]

Did you? Quintana was 21" behind at the top of the climb (official checkpoint) and crashed in the first corner of the descent. **** GPS timing

I just watched the video. You are right. Turns out they didn't even show a single GPS time difference between Contador and Quintana while I could have sworn I saw a 2 minute difference at some point too.

However, he was 2.5 minutes slower than Contador, do you think that could have been less than 1 minute without the crash? I doubt it. He lost 20" uphill even.

It is obvious Quintana would lose at least 2 minutes to Contador over a 60km ITT of which 40km is flat, 7km is uphill (two hills) at around 4-5%, with the leftover distance being either downhill or false flat.

If Contador is in any sort of shape, of course.

 

[LaFlorecita]

He was 21'' after on the top and no times were given between that and his crash.

http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/...monasterio-santa-maria-veruela-borja/2738194/

Quintana crosses the first timecheck at 1:03:05
First shot of Quintana down at 1:03:45

from La Vanguardia

Tiempos en el primer punto intermedio (km.11,2) en el Alto del Moncayo en la etapa 10 de la Vuelta a España 2014:

1º Alberto Contador: 19'29''
2º Alejandro Valverde: +8''
3º Samuel Sánchez: +11''
4º Rigoberto Urán: +16''
5º Nairo Quintana: +20''
6º Jerome Coppel: +23''
7º Joaquim Rodríguez: +27''
8º Chris Froome: +28''
9º Dani Navarro: +30''
10º: Romain Sicard: +31''
11º: Tony Martin: +33''

I'm sure you are aware that the crash was just 300m after the checkpoint

I just watched the video. You are right. Turns out they didn't even show a single GPS time difference between Contador and Quintana while I could have sworn I saw a 2 minute difference at some point too.

However, he was 2.5 minutes slower than Contador, do you think that could have been less than 1 minute without the crash? I doubt it. He lost 20" uphill even.

It is obvious Quintana would lose at least 1.5-2 minutes to Contador over a 60km ITT of which 40km is flat, 7km is uphill (two hills) at around 4-5%, with the leftover distance being either downhill or false flat.

If Contador is in any sort of shape, of course.

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[cineteq]

And how should I have known that? FFS.

How, I don't know, maybe you've watched the race?

 

[LaFlorecita]

How, I don't know, maybe you've watched the race?

I watched the race (last 10 minutes mind). I didn't see what happened to Quintana after the race

 

[cineteq]

The troll part of your post was you assuming that I had read that article/had seen what happened after Quintana had finished and then drawing the conclusion that I was taking a cheap shot.

You would've been right...except this is common knowledge and happened many moons ago. Maybe you should apologize to me and Quintana?

 

[LaFlorecita]

You would've been right...except this is common knowledge and happened many moons ago. Maybe you should apologize to me and Quintana?

Maybe you should apologize to me for saying it was a cheap shot while I didn't know about it (I barely watched that race anyway) but you won't, because you're a troll. This is my last ever reply to you, I'm tired of your trolling antics.

 

[cineteq]

*deleted by mod*

Sounds good to me. I'm not a troll, I'm an independent observer, remember? Btw, few weeks ago I called troll a member and my post was deleted few minutes later. I wonder where is the hippie mod? Peace-and-love, tie dyed, flower powering?

 

[Afrank]

Is the hippie mod me? I'm not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing.

Anyways, I've edited some posts and deleted two others. Let's not stoop to calling each other names.

 

[Flamin]

I just watched the video. You are right. Turns out they didn't even show a single GPS time difference between Contador and Quintana while I could have sworn I saw a 2 minute difference at some point too.

However, he was 2.5 minutes slower than Contador, do you think that could have been less than 1 minute without the crash? I doubt it. He lost 20" uphill even.

It is obvious Quintana would lose at least 2 minutes to Contador over a 60km ITT of which 40km is flat, 7km is uphill (two hills) at around 4-5%, with the leftover distance being either downhill or false flat.

If Contador is in any sort of shape, of course.

They did show GPS timings, but never 50". And we don't know were Quintana lost those 20". GPS timing was saying 35" somewhere halfway up the climb, so for all we know he deliberately took it easy on the first flattish part and accelerated once he hit the climb.

And what do you mean with that he was 2.5 minutes slower than Contador?

 

[LaFlorecita]

And what do you mean with that he was 2.5 minutes slower than Contador?

Uhm isn't is obvious? 4'07-39" = 3'28" - ~1 minute lost during the crash = 2'30"

 

[Red Rick]

I really don't know what to think about the Vuelta tt. I think Contador was pretty much where he usually is, not really crushing and not losing time to anyone but Uran either. Froome was really below expectations, Valverde usually is pretty good at those hilly itt's in the Vuelta too, and normally the differences aren't that great the vuelta itt with one hill. Usually the differences in that tt aren't gonna be bigger than 1-1,5 minutes, or otherwise you're getting crushed in the mountains too. Quintana wasn't too great at the intermediate, so I think he would've lost a minute or a little more.

Also, don't forget Contador usually starts pretty fast in tt's. I can´t remember any hilly tt where he didn´t start really quickly compared to the rest of his intermediates, apart from the Giro mtt

 

[May0maniac]

I really don't know what to think about the Vuelta tt. I think Contador was pretty much where he usually is, not really crushing and not losing time to anyone but Uran either. Froome was really below expectations, Valverde usually is pretty good at those hilly itt's in the Vuelta too, and normally the differences aren't that great the vuelta itt with one hill. Usually the differences in that tt aren't gonna be bigger than 1-1,5 minutes, or otherwise you're getting crushed in the mountains too. Quintana wasn't too great at the intermediate, so I think he would've lost a minute or a little more.

Also, don't forget Contador usually starts pretty fast in tt's. I can´t remember any hilly tt where he didn´t start really quickly compared to the rest of his intermediates, apart from the Giro mtt

Yes, Contador is a pretty fast starter. You could see that Froome had a bad day, when the climb started he looked like Mollema in a normal ITT, he tried to climb with a huge gear.

 

[Jspear]

Yes, Contador is a pretty fast starter. You could see that Froome had a bad day, when the climb started he looked like Mollema in a normal ITT, he tried to climb with a huge gear.

Later Froome admitted that he overcooked himself in the earlier parts of the itt. He didn't pace himself properly.

 

[Escarabajo]

I just watched the video. You are right. Turns out they didn't even show a single GPS time difference between Contador and Quintana while I could have sworn I saw a 2 minute difference at some point too.

However, he was 2.5 minutes slower than Contador, do you think that could have been less than 1 minute without the crash? I doubt it. He lost 20" uphill even.

It is obvious Quintana would lose at least 2 minutes to Contador over a 60km ITT of which 40km is flat, 7km is uphill (two hills) at around 4-5%, with the leftover distance being either downhill or false flat.

If Contador is in any sort of shape, of course.

After that crash, not much could be concluded. Splitting hairs.

Quintana is not specialist on flattish TT's. So he depends strongly on his form. You could see some of his TT's are very good when in very top form. First week Giro and Vuelta were not top form to me. Pais Vasco 2013, Tour 2013 3rd week and some other smaller races that I don't recall he has been on better form. So I assume that he will limit his losses if on top form. IMHO.

 

[hfer07]

besides all the "what IF" after he crashed during la Vuelta- I believe is necessary for a rider of such caliber like Quintana to experience adversity-because is only going to make him stronger-mentally and physically. Will he be able to improve that much in the ITT branch to challenge Froome, Contador & Nibali? why not?- he's the younger one with plenty of time to improve, while the others have either reached peak level or are at it and can't go higher--- and what matters most: the 2015 Tour is tailor made for Nairito, whereas Froome & Nibs will be looking at what Contador's form he'll arrive after Il Giro-- what more can Nairo ask for

 

[damian13ster]

besides all the "what IF" after he crashed during la Vuelta- I believe is necessary for a rider of such caliber like Quintana to experience adversity-because is only going to make him stronger-mentally and physically. Will he be able to improve that much in the ITT branch to challenge Froome, Contador & Nibali? why not?- he's the younger one with plenty of time to improve, while the others have either reached peak level or are at it and can't go higher--- and what matters most: the 2015 Tour is tailor made for Nairito, whereas Froome & Nibs will be looking at what Contador's form he'll arrive after Il Giro-- what more can Nairo ask for

Dont think it will matter at all. Not a single WT race win next season. Book it!
I am still not sold on his TT skills. Even in 3rd week of the Trou he wasnt spectacular, in Giro he was pretty weak in TT, nothing special in Vuelta (lost a lot even by the time he got on top of the hill so on the part that suits him).

In Tour going to lose a lot in punchy finishes, will see about cobble sectors. I think those are fairly easy so will be ridden really hard to make at least some gaps.