Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[BlurryVII]

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I don't mind accepting Contador as the best climber, although I'd say that 2012 is not comparable since Froome had done the Tour and Contador was fresh, and 2013 was a total beatdown, and 2015 is looking likely to be the same.
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Ohh, I see. Contador was fresh in 2012. But you still seem to overlook the fact that Contador has done the Giro.

Double standards ?

Reminder: Froome finished 10 minutes off in the Vuelta 2012. And got beat down last year.

 

[Jspear]

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Don't forget that we weren't even talking about Froome when he was 25. A lot can happen in one or two years.

If you mean that Quintana can still improve, then that would be awesome. Personally, I don't think Quintana can get much better, he looks to be pretty close to his ceiling already. Fortunately, we've seen that's already enough for winning the Giro, and if no other extraterrestrial figure such as current Froome and 2009 Contador comes of age soon, we're already looking at a future multi GT winner. Will that include the Tour? That's the big question.

IMO it will most definitely include the Tour. Give him a couple of years...maybe even by next year he will have won it.

 

[rm7]

Quintana kind a remind me of Andy Schleck.. A young climber, who is one of the best at a very young age, but never really improve his climbing skills very much. I still don't think Quintana has become better since Tour 2013.

Of course he have time on his side and we don't know, but it really wouldn't surprise me if he stays at this climbing level in the next few years, but gets a little better at TT'ing.

With Froome only 30 years old, and Contador turning 33 next year, I dont think Quintana will win the Tour before Froome gets older and Contador retires, or they doesn't for some reason show up in the Tour at top shape. (In the last 3 years Froome have showed up at a incredible level). The route could almost not be better for Quintana, so think about when there's maybe +40 KM ITT. Bigger advantage for Froome and Contador over Quintana.

 

[hfer07]

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Quintana kind a remind me of Andy Schleck.. A young climber, who is one of the best at a very young age, but never really improve his climbing skills very much. I still don't think Quintana has become better since Tour 2013.

Pleeeasseeee

before you ever dare to compare them- why don't you check Quintana's palmares and then come back and post something with more common sense...

FYI Quintana has already won a GT & multiple single/weekly stage races at the age that A Schleck could barely pedal. Please get informed

 

[tristecsinamigos]

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Will that include the Tour? That's the big question.

why not? several riders with weaker climbing skills than him won it. He clearly can make up in the mountains what he may lose in the TT. He's on the way to be two times 2nd with just 25 years. And there's the "contingency" (?) factor (Froome -or whoever is the big favorite- retiring, like in 2014, or getting sick or whatever).

 

[movingtarget]

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It is going to be very difficult for Quintana to defeat Froome.

I just hope for a good race.

Quintana seems to be the only danger to Froome and has looked better over the past few stages but his only chance is if Froome has a bad day I think or bad luck. Froome has ridden a smart race so far and with a three minute lead he can afford to lose some time to Quintana if he finds himself in trouble.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Quintana kind a remind me of Andy Schleck.. A young climber, who is one of the best at a very young age, but never really improve his climbing skills very much. I still don't think Quintana has become better since Tour 2013.

Of course he have time on his side and we don't know, but it really wouldn't surprise me if he stays at this climbing level in the next few years, but gets a little better at TT'ing.

With Froome only 30 years old, and Contador turning 33 next year, I dont think Quintana will win the Tour before Froome gets older and Contador retires, or they doesn't for some reason show up in the Tour at top shape. (In the last 3 years Froome have showed up at a incredible level). The route could almost not be better for Quintana, so think about when there's maybe +40 KM ITT. Bigger advantage for Froome and Contador over Quintana.

OMG!
Quintana and Andy Schleck are sooooo different!
Not even close in physique.
Not even close in mind.
Not even close how they started.

Note: Ryo can get banned answering this post!

 

[Netserk]

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Quintana kind a remind me of Andy Schleck.. A young climber, who is one of the best at a very young age, but never really improve his climbing skills very much. I still don't think Quintana has become better since Tour 2013.

FYI Quintana has already won a GT & multiple single/weekly stage races at the age that A Schleck could barely pedal. Please get informed

I also don't like Schleck, but at the age Andy was 2nd in the Giro, Quintana's best result was the KOM in Catalunya

 

[SergeDeM]

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I don't mind accepting Contador as the best climber, although I'd say that 2012 is not comparable since Froome had done the Tour and Contador was fresh, and 2013 was a total beatdown, and 2015 is looking likely to be the same.
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Ohh, I see. Contador was fresh in 2012. But you still seem to overlook the fact that Contador has done the Giro.

Double standards ?

Reminder: Froome finished 10 minutes off in the Vuelta 2012. And got beat down last year.

Not double standards, just didn't remember that last night

OK, let's take into account every single race they've done since 2012.
According to CQ Rankings head 2 head options filtered only by mountain stages:

2012: AC 7 - 3 CF
2013: AC 3 - 9 CF
2014: AC 9 - 4 CF
2015: AC 3 - 5 CF

So right now it's AC 22 - 21 CF
It's not a perfect comparison as there are no ties in that system. Being 1st and 2nd with the same time still counts as a win for one and a loss for the other. Still, this says currently AC is the better climber,but we also know the Tour will end with Froome on top.

In any case, I have the same opinion as Gigs_98:

...I think if all riders would have to ride against each other, on a HC climb and all of them are in top shape, froome would win this battle

 

[ILovecycling]

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Quintana kind a remind me of Andy Schleck.. A young climber, who is one of the best at a very young age, but never really improve his climbing skills very much. I still don't think Quintana has become better since Tour 2013.

FYI Quintana has already won a GT & multiple single/weekly stage races at the age that A Schleck could barely pedal. Please get informed

I also don't like Schleck, but at the age Andy was 2nd in the Giro, Quintana's best result was the KOM in Catalunya

Its irrelevant tho and you know it, he was in a different team role than Quintana in that age.

 

[Mr.White]

They're similar in such high level at young age, not in their styles, though...

 

[ILovecycling]

Im satisfied with yesterday's performance cuz he at least tired Froome a bit and thats what Nairo needs for final week.OTOH It still will be extremely difficult to get those 3 minutes.

Note to those who say Froome is better climber...you will look like fool after few days, I think its clearly visible now that Quintana is getting into a top form and will climb better than Froome when in top form.

To that guy who said best climber is about results than LMAO as its about proving yourself with great moments and great numbers.Its like saying Armstrong was a better climber than Pantani cuz he won more Tours lol

 

[dacooley]

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Im satisfied with yesterday's performance cuz he at least tired Froome a bit and thats what Nairo needs for final week.OTOH It still will be extremely difficult to get those 3 minutes.

Note to those who say Froome is better climber...you will look like fool after few days, I think its clearly visible now that Quintana is getting into a top form and will climb better than Froome when in top form.

To that guy who said best climber is about results than LMAO as its about proving yourself with great moments and great numbers.Its like saying Armstrong was a better climber than Pantani cuz he won more Tours lol

based on your absolute assurance as to nairito, you are not afraid of looking like a fool whatsoever. let the race judge the boys.

 

[ILovecycling]

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Im satisfied with yesterday's performance cuz he at least tired Froome a bit and thats what Nairo needs for final week.OTOH It still will be extremely difficult to get those 3 minutes.

Note to those who say Froome is better climber...you will look like fool after few days, I think its clearly visible now that Quintana is getting into a top form and will climb better than Froome when in top form.

To that guy who said best climber is about results than LMAO as its about proving yourself with great moments and great numbers.Its like saying Armstrong was a better climber than Pantani cuz he won more Tours lol

based on your absolute assurance as to nairito, you are not afraid of looking like a fool whatsoever. let the race judge the boys.

Im not afraid cuz I used my eyes during last few days

..but yea, I just hope for a great battle!

 

[DBotero]

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Im satisfied with yesterday's performance cuz he at least tired Froome a bit and thats what Nairo needs for final week.OTOH It still will be extremely difficult to get those 3 minutes.

Note to those who say Froome is better climber...you will look like fool after few days, I think its clearly visible now that Quintana is getting into a top form and will climb better than Froome when in top form.

To that guy who said best climber is about results than LMAO as its about proving yourself with great moments and great numbers.Its like saying Armstrong was a better climber than Pantani cuz he won more Tours lol

Let's say that Quintana will beat Froome on all the mountain stages left from this Tour,but will not get enough time to win Le Tour.Are you sure that this will make him a better climber than Froome? Froome might play Mourinho tactics all the way to Paris,he's in yellow.Contador and Froome are still superior climbers,Quintana is not there yet.
Lance vs Pantani may depend more of people preference.

 

[SeriousSam]

Luckily, Froome really wants to win Alpe d'Huez wearing the yellow jersey. Nibali, Quintana, Contador will all want to go all out on that stage too, as they did at the very fist MTF, which Froome utterly dominated. If he dominates the first MTF and wins the last, there is absolutely no doubt as to who the best climber in the race (and hence the world) is.

 

[ILovecycling]

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Im satisfied with yesterday's performance cuz he at least tired Froome a bit and thats what Nairo needs for final week.OTOH It still will be extremely difficult to get those 3 minutes.

Note to those who say Froome is better climber...you will look like fool after few days, I think its clearly visible now that Quintana is getting into a top form and will climb better than Froome when in top form.

To that guy who said best climber is about results than LMAO as its about proving yourself with great moments and great numbers.Its like saying Armstrong was a better climber than Pantani cuz he won more Tours lol

Let's say that Quintana will beat Froome on all the mountain stages left from this Tour,but will not get enough time to win Le Tour.Are you sure that this will make him a better climber than Froome? Froome might play Mourinho tactics all the way to Paris,he's in yellow.Contador and Froome are still superior climbers,Quintana is not there yet.
Lance vs Pantani may depend more of people preference.

If his time from mountains stages is better than Froome's than yeah.I doubt Froome will play some game with him, he is crazy and always goes 100% at important stages.
If he will do this, can you admit he is better climber than AC and CF? Probably not


Of course the last sentense of your post says it all.

 

[DBotero]

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Luckily, Froome really wants to win Alpe d'Huez wearing the yellow jersey. Nibali, Quintana, Contador will all want to go all out on that stage too, as they did at the very fist MTF, which Froome utterly dominated. If he dominates the first MTF and wins the last, there is absolutely no doubt as to who the best climber in the race (and hence the world) is.

Hard to tell if they'll go for it.Quintana surely,the others might not Froome/Sky are using a lot of PR stuff these days,who knows if he really targets that stage.It doesn't mater if Quintana will improve as much as people believe that's the perfect stage to show it

 

[DBotero]

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Im satisfied with yesterday's performance cuz he at least tired Froome a bit and thats what Nairo needs for final week.OTOH It still will be extremely difficult to get those 3 minutes.

Note to those who say Froome is better climber...you will look like fool after few days, I think its clearly visible now that Quintana is getting into a top form and will climb better than Froome when in top form.

To that guy who said best climber is about results than LMAO as its about proving yourself with great moments and great numbers.Its like saying Armstrong was a better climber than Pantani cuz he won more Tours lol

Let's say that Quintana will beat Froome on all the mountain stages left from this Tour,but will not get enough time to win Le Tour.Are you sure that this will make him a better climber than Froome? Froome might play Mourinho tactics all the way to Paris,he's in yellow.Contador and Froome are still superior climbers,Quintana is not there yet.
Lance vs Pantani may depend more of people preference.

If his time from mountains stages is better than Froome's than yeah.I doubt Froome will play some game with him, he is crazy and always goes 100% at important stages.
If he will do this, can you admit he is better climber than AC and CF? Probably not


Of course the last sentense of your post says it all.

 

[cineteq]

Valverde: “I and my team are working to win the Tour with Quintana, but if I make the podium it would be incredible.”

Instead of working to win the Tour, they're thinking of making podiums. The loser mentality syndrome by Team Movistar

 

[Miburo]

Valverde: “I and my team are working to win the Tour with Quintana, but if I make the podium it would be incredible.”

Instead of working to win the Tour, they're thinking of making podiums. The loser mentality syndrome by Team Movistar

Told you, i told all of you but no i was wrong, i was being a ***. Piti is gonna ride for quintana heh?

 

[SergeDeM]

Valverde: “I and my team are working to win the Tour with Quintana, but if I make the podium it would be incredible.”

Instead of working to win the Tour, they're thinking of making podiums. The loser mentality syndrome by Team Movistar

Either you didn't read your own post, or you have incredibly selective memory. They ARE working on winning the tour with QUINTANA. In they also manage to put Valverde on the podium, that would be icing on the cake. That's what he said and that's what he meant. I heard it.

 

[malakassis]

Valverde: “I and my team are working to win the Tour with Quintana, but if I make the podium it would be incredible.”

Instead of working to win the Tour, they're thinking of making podiums. The loser mentality syndrome by Team Movistar

lets wait for the alps. from there you can judge if froome is attackable and to go for nairo win. otherwise make nairo and piti podium is not loser mentality. think about the prize money! + with izaguirre a bit improve they can solid their team-competition lead. + nairo with white jersey. this is a lot of money!

 

[SergeDeM]

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Note to those who say Froome is better climber...you will look like fool after few days, I think its clearly visible now that Quintana is getting into a top form and will climb better than Froome when in top form.

To that guy who said best climber is about results than LMAO as its about proving yourself with great moments and great numbers.Its like saying Armstrong was a better climber than Pantani cuz he won more Tours lol

I'd love for this tour to prove me wrong. I would much rather see Quintana win the Tour than be right about Froome.

I also agree on the results bit, but some people always need reasons when others disagree with their views, and if not results then there's nothing but subjectivity to try an prove these sorts of points. In hindsight, I should've just said "Yeah, I still think Froome is better. Deal with it"

 

[Pricey_sky]

Froome is certainly attackable, but now he's on defensive mode he will just ride his own tempo, Quintana may be able to get a 20-30s gap, but if Froome does what he does best there's every chance that he times his effort correctly and will reel Quintana in. The problem Quintana has is that neither Contador, Nibali or Valverde are able to put time into Froome. If they all went up the road they would have a great chance but only Quintana is capable of staying up there.