Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[Valv.Piti]

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I'm still very confident quintana can win this. froome has been very subpar and quintana very bad. perhaps sickness, if so he can still win, if it's bad form then I fear for it. in any event. froome will be in trouble the last week considering how weak he was at ventoux

it has nothing to do with the wind imo, because meintjes suffered more than anyone in the wind dropping everywhere but still outclimbing quintana at ventoux

Good to see you back.

I definitely think it was wind and lets hope he caught a bit sickness. Only 2 explanations for being that bad, along with attacking too early obviously.

Forclaz + Emosson is tailor made for him.

 

[This Charming Man]

I know Quintana is a climber, but why can he not learn to ride on the flats. He looked lost in the peloton, and in danger during the run in to Ventoux.

 

[HelloDolly]

Tomorrow will see Quintana , Movistar and BMC take the fight to SKY ....hope all the wind has died down

 

[Arredondo]

Re: Re:

I'm still very confident quintana can win this. froome has been very subpar and quintana very bad. perhaps sickness, if so he can still win, if it's bad form then I fear for it. in any event. froome will be in trouble the last week considering how weak he was at ventoux

it has nothing to do with the wind imo, because meintjes suffered more than anyone in the wind dropping everywhere but still outclimbing quintana at ventoux

Good to see you back.

I definitely think it was wind and lets hope he caught a bit sickness. Only 2 explanations for being that bad, along with attacking too early obviously.

Forclaz + Emosson is tailor made for him.

Like Ryo said, Meintjes suffered even more in the wind, but it did not affect his climbing perfomance on Ventoux.

Most likely he *** up his preparation. Or some sickness.

But attacking too early? If Quintana is good, he can attack from that distance. No problem. Or at least attack and not getting distanced by Bauke Mollema!

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

I'm still very confident quintana can win this. froome has been very subpar and quintana very bad. perhaps sickness, if so he can still win, if it's bad form then I fear for it. in any event. froome will be in trouble the last week considering how weak he was at ventoux

it has nothing to do with the wind imo, because meintjes suffered more than anyone in the wind dropping everywhere but still outclimbing quintana at ventoux

Good to see you back.

I definitely think it was wind and lets hope he caught a bit sickness. Only 2 explanations for being that bad, along with attacking too early obviously.

Forclaz + Emosson is tailor made for him.

Like Ryo said, Meintjes suffered even more in the wind, but it did not affect his climbing perfomance on Ventoux.

Most likely he **** up his preparation. Or some sickness.

But attacking too early? If Quintana is good, he can attack from that distance. No problem. Or at least attack and not getting distanced by Bauke Mollema!

He said he suffered much after 2 windy days.

Yeah, he attacked too early since there was a headwind. Otherwise it was the right thing to do.

 

[Gaul 58]

I've always been pretty neutral about Quintana, but watching him holding onto that wheel on the motorcycle and getting towed past the riders who had left him behind but crashed of no fault of their own is one of the sleaziest things I've ever seen in a grand tour. I am now officially a Quintana hater. Try to justify that move for me.

In Quitana's defense, he thought it was Froome's wheel and instinctively tried to suck it.



That's all I got.

+1

 

[Arredondo]

Re: Re:

I'm still very confident quintana can win this. froome has been very subpar and quintana very bad. perhaps sickness, if so he can still win, if it's bad form then I fear for it. in any event. froome will be in trouble the last week considering how weak he was at ventoux

it has nothing to do with the wind imo, because meintjes suffered more than anyone in the wind dropping everywhere but still outclimbing quintana at ventoux

Good to see you back.

I definitely think it was wind and lets hope he caught a bit sickness. Only 2 explanations for being that bad, along with attacking too early obviously.

Forclaz + Emosson is tailor made for him.

Like Ryo said, Meintjes suffered even more in the wind, but it did not affect his climbing perfomance on Ventoux.

Most likely he **** up his preparation. Or some sickness.

But attacking too early? If Quintana is good, he can attack from that distance. No problem. Or at least attack and not getting distanced by Bauke Mollema!

He said he suffered much after 2 windy days.

Yeah, he attacked too early since there was a headwind. Otherwise it was the right thing to do.

Cyclists and the truth. You know that's a fragile combination, right?

 

[Valv.Piti]

I know, but its hardly inconceiveable to think that he might have been affected relatively much by how they were riding.

 

[ILovecycling]

@Ryo
Froome seems really subpar,thats true.But Im worried it can be because of later peak.

I still think that wind caused his fatigue.

 

[Pippo_San]

I'm keen on repeating myself. Overhyped, insanely overrated, and wheelsucker.

Now proven cheat.

Yup call me hater but those are FACTS.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I'm keen on repeating myself. Overhyped, insanely overrated, and wheelsucker.

Now proven cheat.

Yup call me hater but those are FACTS.

always hilarious when people are so insecure they have to state fiction by calling them FACTS, with all capital letters of course. after all we all know people who shout and use all capital letters are right...

 

[Inquitus]

Hard to see how Nairo comes back from this, Froome seems stronger in all aspects in this particular store, hopefully I am wrong and he can claw back time in the coming alpine days to make it more interesting. Mollema, Porte, and Yates seem more of a threat on what's gone before however.

 

[Shame]

I'm keen on repeating myself. Overhyped, insanely overrated, and wheelsucker.

Now proven cheat.

Yup call me hater but those are FACTS.

Where's his penalty?
At least 30 seconds or a minute would be fair.
Can't believe he got caught cheating and then tried to defend himself!!!
What?

 

[huge]

Then hopefully they don't take any measure at all (for the sake of the spectacle in top dog fight).

Agreed, it would spoil the race. Also, like you said, DQ seems way too harsh given the circumstances - even though it might technically be the appropriate decision.

Hypocrisy at its best.

But afterall sticky wheels are different than sticky bottles :lol:
...or maybe he was just "holding" the wheel.

 

[LeoMontero]

I want to say what i saw in the ventoux stage.

In Ventoux, he was the first and the only that attack, besides Valverde. No one from the other GC guys attack, and all the people said that Quintana was outclimbed. I cant belive it. He even respond to the first attack from Froome. It was the second accelertion that dropped him. Then he was the one that was in front of the chasers, and all the others were sucking his wheel. Its true that he cant go with Mollema. But say that he was outclimbed by Yates and the others is not true. He was in front at the moment of the crash, and we dont know what happened from there to the finish. My thoughts, is that the Yates Group accelerate when Nairo was waiting something or he cant go beacuse of the crowds. The commisars give the same time beacuse of something, and no one from that group said nothing. They sure have cameras and the tools for taking that decision. Other thing is that he was loosing 25 seconds on a bad day, men thats nothing. My conclusion, he attack to early after three windy stages. He should stay with froome and try to save energy for the ITT and for the third week. If he didnt attack, he would never been drop.

He had a lot of unluck in the second weak beacuse of the wind, and the team that didnt defend. The wind is the worst enemy to a guy that weight 55-57 kilos. Its physics.

Another thing is all people that say that he cheat in Giro 14. thats fnny. The commisairs didnt stop the race, and he didt pass the moto with the red flag, and he even was not the first in the line. I dont get why all say Quintana this and Quintana that and no one talk about rolland or heshedal. How hipocrit.

 

[LeoMontero]

Other theme is tomorrow stage, i think two scenarios, one with energy, one with no energy:

- with energy: long range attack, there are a lot of climbing, full early attack. Very litle chances, but is my hope.
- without energy: hang on till final, still there is the third week.

The tour is not finished, there are still posibilities. Froome has a big advantage because of the tt, but there are hopes.

 

[peloton]

Is there another video other than the short one where we can't see if he holds on to avoid crashing (maybe)? Did others hold onto the moto? I didn't see the stage, just a recap

 

[LeoMontero]

There is no video oficial, I think that ASO should have images, but there are no publics

 

[peloton]

Thanks Leo! Based on that short video we've seen online, I'd not call him a cheat, impossible to say what happened, if he held to keep balance etc.

 

[PremierAndrew]

I refuse to believe that Quintana would be enough of an idiot to hold on to the neutral service moto for a long enough period to gain an advantage as opposed to just balancing himself, especially when most of the top 10 GC were with him, and would be ready to complain if somehow the incident wasn't caught on camera

 

[peloton]

Agree Andrew. And pretty sure he'd been thrown out of the race if he held it to get an advantage.

 

[Trev_S]

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Is there another video other than the short one where we can't see if he holds on to avoid crashing (maybe)? Did others hold onto the moto? I didn't see the stage, just a recap

The "Cheating" Video clip.
https://twitter.com/assekevin/status/753720450551836673

Watching the race footage from 21:50 this is the moment of when the above video is taken.
http://www.steephill.tv/players/720...2&dashboard=tour-de-france&id=x4k8alt&yr=2016

From 21:50 you can match the race footage and that 1.5sec clip and even pick out the guy who is filming it.

Note the Polish Majka fan (who has issued an apology for his actions), Plus the guy (red bennie) right in front of camera waiving the yellow banner.

Quintana is up the front of the group right in the mess, you can see the mavic m/cycle with Quitana behind it plus the other riders as they to try and get around the mess.
The Mavic M/cycle stops another 3-4 metres up the road (out of view on the "cheater" video) behind Ritchie Porte who has stopped again after initially being pushed off (as seen in the "cheat" video) to try and fix his bike.

It is purely a moment of action in the middle of a mess, that lasted all of a matter of a couple of seconds.

The guy who filmed it has got his mass world moment of attention for it, where it is a false representation of what is actually occurring.

 

[peloton]

Wow, thanks @Trev_S

 

[cineteq]

10 LET stage = 1
20 PRINT "I hope the legs will continue to be good. There are still a lot of mountains. We're going to try everything we can"
30 LET stage = stage +1
40 IF stage = 21 THEN 60
50 GOTO 20
60 END

Edit: feel free to improve it, add more variables, Froome, etc

 

[silvergrenade]

10 LET stage = 1
20 PRINT "I hope the legs will continue to be good. There are still a lot of mountains. We're going to try everything we can"
30 LET stage = stage +1
40 IF stage = 21 THEN 60
50 GOTO 20
60 END

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Greatest Code Ever.