Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

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Jelantik said:
movingtarget said:
Valv.Piti said:
Galic Ho, can I please again remind you that most of us don't read your long posts and waste 10 minutes of our lives every time. Its fine, we get it, you don't like Quintana and think he is overrated, he won't win etc. Would very much appreciate if you a) cut down on your unbearable long posts or b) stopped trashing him constantly all together. Its soooooo tiring.

Anyways, confirmed that he rides the Vuelta and obviously skips Olympics. Will be there and cheering!

It's a forum and it's good to get different views. Obviously Galic is not a minimalist but most of the time through the veils and the fog, a point can be found !

I disagree. Some people don't enjoy it but I enjoyed reading Galic Ho. So keep on writing Galic Ho. And if you don't want to read his post, just skip it. That easy.

Valv.Piti would appear to have forgotten how to scroll. I find Galic Ho often makes pretty decent points: stick around!
 
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Isaak-Gabriel said:
Interesting tweet about the medical certificate written by Movistar's doctor, Jesus Hoyos, to Nairo Quintana after TdF. I ask myself how this document can be shown publicly : https://twitter.com/M_AlvarezH/status/757616192081301504

Edit : The birthday of Nairo is wrong there, it's the Dayer's one
I think they needed that to give Pantano his spot on the Olympic team.
yaco said:
I enjoy Gallic Ho's long and informed posts.They have provided a strategy to possibly defeat the Sky Train which is to pressure them on the flat. Something which one or two of us have posted.'
Really. You're going to beat the world's best or second best time-trialist in the flat? I'm hoping that doesn't involve a certain 5'4" Colombian. I'm actually going to read that post at some point, but my God is that absolutely delusional. Again, people here learnt nothing from this Tour. Quintana has a chance, on the right stage, with the right timing, on the right form. You might not find that entertaining, but that's just how it works in this planet. If Quintana didn't learn to pick his spots from this Tour, we might as well hand the next three or four Tours to Froome. Look what happened to everyone who attacked the Sky train. Aru, Mollema, Martin, Porte, they all wore themselves out and cracked.

But nevermind that, riders aren't human beings but action figures in a child's game. They wouldn't have cracked if they had a little more "mentality".
 
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Escarabajo said:
18-Valve. (pithy) said:
dacooley said:
with time trialing historically being an intergral part of almost any Tour, to win it Quintana shouldn't be just the strongest climber, he MUST dominate all the 1 cat and HC mountain top finishes by making up at least 30'' on each of them. can't see it happening until healthy Froome and Contador are in kilt and claim the victory.
Yeah, there's no way Quintana can match Froome on an even remotely balanced course, IMO. I don't think he'll ever win the Tour. Froome will likely own the whole GC field on the rumored Plateau des Belles Filles finish in the first week of the 2017 TDF. He was just cruising when he was pacing Wiggins up that MTF. Not gonna happen in 2017.

Contador is almost certainly done as a first tier TDF contender. I don't even think he'd have matched Porte or Bardet. At the very best he'd have just edged them out. Froome has no competitors at this point. Just none. Quintana has to hope they don't go anywhere near the coasts. Then he can fight... for #2.
I think they all should quit the Tour except for Froome and go to the Giro. Why waste time is Froome is already the winner.
are you serious? froome rode by far his weakest tour ever, could barely drop guys like yates and meintjes, let alone porte. I can't imagine how easy quintana would've won if he had been fit
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
Escarabajo said:
18-Valve. (pithy) said:
dacooley said:
with time trialing historically being an intergral part of almost any Tour, to win it Quintana shouldn't be just the strongest climber, he MUST dominate all the 1 cat and HC mountain top finishes by making up at least 30'' on each of them. can't see it happening until healthy Froome and Contador are in kilt and claim the victory.
Yeah, there's no way Quintana can match Froome on an even remotely balanced course, IMO. I don't think he'll ever win the Tour. Froome will likely own the whole GC field on the rumored Plateau des Belles Filles finish in the first week of the 2017 TDF. He was just cruising when he was pacing Wiggins up that MTF. Not gonna happen in 2017.

Contador is almost certainly done as a first tier TDF contender. I don't even think he'd have matched Porte or Bardet. At the very best he'd have just edged them out. Froome has no competitors at this point. Just none. Quintana has to hope they don't go anywhere near the coasts. Then he can fight... for #2.
I think they all should quit the Tour except for Froome and go to the Giro. Why waste time is Froome is already the winner.
are you serious? froome rode by far his weakest tour ever, could barely drop guys like yates and meintjes, let alone porte. I can't imagine how easy quintana would've won if he had been fit
imho, he just did just as much as he needed. especially with AC out and NQ under-performing. he won comfortably saving something for Rio/Vuelta. he could have dropped anybody if needed - but it wasn't.
 
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I don't think Froome would be doing the Vuelta and Olympics if the Tour took too much out of him. With Sky controlling things there was no need for big attacks which left him something in reserve for the third week. Martin and Porte and few others had no trouble attacking Sky but holding the gap is another thing.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
Escarabajo said:
18-Valve. (pithy) said:
dacooley said:
with time trialing historically being an intergral part of almost any Tour, to win it Quintana shouldn't be just the strongest climber, he MUST dominate all the 1 cat and HC mountain top finishes by making up at least 30'' on each of them. can't see it happening until healthy Froome and Contador are in kilt and claim the victory.
Yeah, there's no way Quintana can match Froome on an even remotely balanced course, IMO. I don't think he'll ever win the Tour. Froome will likely own the whole GC field on the rumored Plateau des Belles Filles finish in the first week of the 2017 TDF. He was just cruising when he was pacing Wiggins up that MTF. Not gonna happen in 2017.

Contador is almost certainly done as a first tier TDF contender. I don't even think he'd have matched Porte or Bardet. At the very best he'd have just edged them out. Froome has no competitors at this point. Just none. Quintana has to hope they don't go anywhere near the coasts. Then he can fight... for #2.
I think they all should quit the Tour except for Froome and go to the Giro. Why waste time is Froome is already the winner.
are you serious? froome rode by far his weakest tour ever, could barely drop guys like yates and meintjes, let alone porte. I can't imagine how easy quintana would've won if he had been fit
I was being sarcastic. Forgot the face. The remark is just silly because any slip by Froome would almost put Quintana on the highest step of the podium. Even if he rides conservative, he still the best hope the defeat Froome ATM.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
Escarabajo said:
18-Valve. (pithy) said:
dacooley said:
with time trialing historically being an intergral part of almost any Tour, to win it Quintana shouldn't be just the strongest climber, he MUST dominate all the 1 cat and HC mountain top finishes by making up at least 30'' on each of them. can't see it happening until healthy Froome and Contador are in kilt and claim the victory.
Yeah, there's no way Quintana can match Froome on an even remotely balanced course, IMO. I don't think he'll ever win the Tour. Froome will likely own the whole GC field on the rumored Plateau des Belles Filles finish in the first week of the 2017 TDF. He was just cruising when he was pacing Wiggins up that MTF. Not gonna happen in 2017.

Contador is almost certainly done as a first tier TDF contender. I don't even think he'd have matched Porte or Bardet. At the very best he'd have just edged them out. Froome has no competitors at this point. Just none. Quintana has to hope they don't go anywhere near the coasts. Then he can fight... for #2.
I think they all should quit the Tour except for Froome and go to the Giro. Why waste time is Froome is already the winner.
are you serious? froome rode by far his weakest tour ever, could barely drop guys like yates and meintjes, let alone porte. I can't imagine how easy quintana would've won if he had been fit

So bad that he only won by 4 minutes
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
Escarabajo said:
18-Valve. (pithy) said:
dacooley said:
with time trialing historically being an intergral part of almost any Tour, to win it Quintana shouldn't be just the strongest climber, he MUST dominate all the 1 cat and HC mountain top finishes by making up at least 30'' on each of them. can't see it happening until healthy Froome and Contador are in kilt and claim the victory.
Yeah, there's no way Quintana can match Froome on an even remotely balanced course, IMO. I don't think he'll ever win the Tour. Froome will likely own the whole GC field on the rumored Plateau des Belles Filles finish in the first week of the 2017 TDF. He was just cruising when he was pacing Wiggins up that MTF. Not gonna happen in 2017.

Contador is almost certainly done as a first tier TDF contender. I don't even think he'd have matched Porte or Bardet. At the very best he'd have just edged them out. Froome has no competitors at this point. Just none. Quintana has to hope they don't go anywhere near the coasts. Then he can fight... for #2.
I think they all should quit the Tour except for Froome and go to the Giro. Why waste time is Froome is already the winner.
are you serious? froome rode by far his weakest tour ever, could barely drop guys like yates and meintjes, let alone porte. I can't imagine how easy quintana would've won if he had been fit
Imagine how much time Froome would have won by if he had ridden a strong Tour then.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Galic Ho, can I please again remind you that most of us don't read your long posts and waste 10 minutes of our lives every time. Its fine, we get it, you don't like Quintana and think he is overrated, he won't win etc. Would very much appreciate if you a) cut down on your unbearable long posts or b) stopped trashing him constantly all together. Its soooooo tiring.

Anyways, confirmed that he rides the Vuelta and obviously skips Olympics. Will be there and cheering!

Of course you can.

Constant trashing? It was for 2 days and granted, I have had to listen to a lot of talk personally about how bad he is...and that negativity did to a degree rub off, HOWEVER my perspective did change. Challenge your thoughts...I do a lot. Sometimes it's just me expressing a temporary setback and I'm learning a lesson.

How did it change? Take the Porte thread. I said until he got past his stage 10-12 bonk, I wouldn't consider him capable of a top 10. Once he made it past there, the belief to see him making Paris in strong fashion was there.

Nairo is different. He's been there, done that and of course, there was a historical evidence he'd get STRONGER, in the last two to three days.

By the final ITT, that was not present.

And to sum it all up, if you read my post, my tone shifted. A lot. I realised during stage 20, that if Valverde could look so thrilled at salvaging third, then based on who he is, his belief alone is good enough for me to change what I was thinking and cut Quintana some slack. Still don't believe the allergy idea...and I'm not angry about Ventoux. I laugh at cyclings silly stuff now (including Clinic nonsense).

Am I around here often? I was between 2009 and 2012. So my 'long posts' haven't been here for 3-4 years.

Free tip, if you want to enjoy cycling, hating a cyclist will destroy that. I have a relative who refused to watch the finale into Paris because of how Quintana rode. I'm really not a hater...you just don't hear that often.

And why would you? This is a first. It can be corrected. But, there are some things to improve upon. Being a Movistar fan and Valverde fan, they can do that. They have the talent...which is why, unlike the Tejay van Garderen thread, I actually posted in during the end of the Tour - do you get that? Until the last week, Quintana could avoid criticism based on the presumption he'd 'come good.' Well he didn't...which is what it is. Still a good result, but is it what he really wants?

Now compare with Tejay and BMC! That's what SHOULD be avoided. Nobody wants to end up like Andy Schleck. At all...sure I said some good things, but his story has some sad parts to it. That's not good for a person or cycling, IF it can be avoided.

And to those saying they like reading posts...cheers. Can't promise I'll be around here.

Honestly, living in the Clinic for years was such a drain...not a good place to be. You just end up angry and hating cycling. Which is ironic...I use to dislike Sky, Froome & Porte...was cheering for them now!!

And its not hard to do...you cut people some slack, forgive and ignore the bad things. Yet, sometimes, an occasional remark about fixing a problem would actually help CORRECT and COVER a rider for the better. I honestly don't see a lot of people do this in life; correcting those they care about. And yes, there is a line between kindness and going towards being mean & nasty.

Also, Red Rick; simple stuff. I don't believe in censorship. So I don't block. At all if I can help it.

It dilutes what you read and see. So yes, that means exercising some self control and ignoring things WHEN you can...not that we're all perfect and do this. I know I don't.

For what it's worth, if next years Tour has a TTT in it, Movistar are the one team who have matched Sky in recent editions in that department. Nairo's ITT has improved. He recovers well. I believe he should and can successfully attack and drop Froome. Thought it in 2015 when every second comment I'd read in the articles and DISQUS section of this website, were accusing Movistar of zip...I thought they'd attack. And they did. Take 2012 and 2016...last mountain stage, when they needed a stage win, Movistar successfully converted.

It's never been about talent, or that silly 'money' argument. It's been about believing they could. Well, they can and should attack! After all, they've got Valverde, the best cyclist of this generation riding for them!! And just one thing...would it not help Quintana's self confidence to attack, and perhaps fail? He'd know he had the courage and belief in himself. That's all he needs...plus some timing. Swing for the fence, he'll connect sooner rather than later.
 
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Sure that Quintana is a huge rider, a magnificent cyclist. He can do good results in GT´s, TOP RESULTS. But i´m another that thnk they loose, because sometimes they are affraid.They don´t think like a guy with the blood of Contador. I agree if you ask me what can happen if one single guy attack the sky train and can´t get rid of them??? Yeah, he will loose time and get dropped. I understand that, but, even if i agreed that he needs to believe more in him ( have more "thirst" of victory), i believe too that he must improve in the accelerations to drop a guy like Froome.

Even if he improves in TT, he will not be a top TT´S, so... He really need to be stronger in the mountains and i think he has qualities, but i think he should believe more too. I hope he can do better next year and i wish him luck, even if i prefer riders with other type of "blood".
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
Escarabajo said:
18-Valve. (pithy) said:
dacooley said:
with time trialing historically being an intergral part of almost any Tour, to win it Quintana shouldn't be just the strongest climber, he MUST dominate all the 1 cat and HC mountain top finishes by making up at least 30'' on each of them. can't see it happening until healthy Froome and Contador are in kilt and claim the victory.
Yeah, there's no way Quintana can match Froome on an even remotely balanced course, IMO. I don't think he'll ever win the Tour. Froome will likely own the whole GC field on the rumored Plateau des Belles Filles finish in the first week of the 2017 TDF. He was just cruising when he was pacing Wiggins up that MTF. Not gonna happen in 2017.

Contador is almost certainly done as a first tier TDF contender. I don't even think he'd have matched Porte or Bardet. At the very best he'd have just edged them out. Froome has no competitors at this point. Just none. Quintana has to hope they don't go anywhere near the coasts. Then he can fight... for #2.
I think they all should quit the Tour except for Froome and go to the Giro. Why waste time is Froome is already the winner.
are you serious? froome rode by far his weakest tour ever, could barely drop guys like yates and meintjes, let alone porte. I can't imagine how easy quintana would've won if he had been fit

Very faulty reasoning, this.
 
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Here is the reason he did bad

http://www.las2orillas.co/la-verdadera-razon-por-la-que-nairo-no-gano-el-tour-de-francia/

To translate/paraphrase:

He had a 102 fever that started two days before the alps. He was taking massive amounts of antibiotics for the rest of the tour and didn't sleep much that night. Jose Luis Arrieta ,Sports director, suggested he should retire and plan for the Olympics and the Vuelta where he could redeem himself.

Nairo, described as valiant and made of steel, with his nose stuffed and his chest inflamed, and his body weakbecause of antibiotics, went head to head with Froome, the best cyclist the world has seen since Indurain and faced his defeat. With his poker face, he hid his sickness, the virus (which they claim was the same on he had in the Vuelta and Giro?) still in his body. (WTF?).

Nairo didn't say anything, tried not to cough in the peloton and would say to the media that he felt strong basically so that his rivals wouldn't attack him (which worked). If he wasn't sick, the leader of the Movistar team would have had the yellow jersey. Even this sick he still managed to get in the podium.

Now, because of the effort he has decided to skip the Olympics, take one week off to rest and then prepare for the Vuelta. In the meantime, the Colombian soccer fans, which know very little about cycling, hung him out to dry for not winning ignoring the fact that no one from Colombia, at 26 years old, has had a bigger cycling career than the great Nairo.

</end of translation/paraphrasing>
 
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gospina said:
http://www.las2orillas.co/la-verdadera-razon-por-la-que-nairo-no-gano-el-tour-de-francia/

To translate/paraphrase:

He had a 102 fever that started two days before the alps. He was taking massive amounts of antibiotics for the rest of the tour and didn't sleep much that night. Jose Luis Arrieta ,Sports director, suggested he should retire and plan for the Olympics and the Vuelta where he could redeem himself.

Nairo, described as valiant and made of steel, with his nose stuffed and his chest inflamed, and his body weakbecause of antibiotics, went head to head with Froome, the best cyclist the world has seen since Indurain and faced his defeat. With his poker face, he hid his sickness, the virus (which they claim was the same on he had in the Vuelta and Giro?) still in his body. (WTF?).

Nairo didn't say anything, tried not to cough in the peloton and would say to the media that he felt strong basically so that his rivals wouldn't attack him (which worked). If he wasn't sick, the leader of the Movistar team would have had the yellow jersey. Even this sick he still managed to get in the podium.

Now, because of the effort he has decided to skip the Olympics, take one week off to rest and then prepare for the Vuelta. In the meantime, the Colombian soccer fans, which know very little about cycling, hung him out to dry for not winning ignoring the fact that no one from Colombia, at 26 years old, has had a bigger cycling career than the great Nairo.

</end of translation/paraphrasing>
What a excuse. When things go wrong, let making a excuse for the fans...
 
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Excuses, excuses everywhere.

So to sum it up. He cant have too much wind, not too flat roads and not too long tt's. He cant stand the heat and certain climbs for diesels are not good either. I think its best for him a Tour with no contenders. But then again he is sick in every GT...
 
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Not surprised if he really was ill during the Tour. However, recurring virus, and massive amounts of antibiotics. Solid journalism.
 
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So it would be already the 3rd GT where Quintana is sick, it's really worrying (maybe a weak immune system). Now he has 20 rest days and then he will undergo some medical tests.
 
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Isaak-Gabriel said:
So it would be already the 3rd GT where Quintana is sick, it's really worrying (maybe a weak immune system). Now he has 20 rest days and then he will undergo some medical tests.
This is the only time that I believe it. If that.

Rider always say they are sick when they are not performing at peak conditions. If I had a nickel for every time they say the same thing I'd be rich. :)

Having said that, the definitions of illness for these riders or top end athletes could be different to our definition. Our definition is bad that they would have to DNF probably. Their definition could be a slight sore throat. Just saying.
 
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Escarabajo said:
Isaak-Gabriel said:
So it would be already the 3rd GT where Quintana is sick, it's really worrying (maybe a weak immune system). Now he has 20 rest days and then he will undergo some medical tests.
This is the only time that I believe it. If that.

Rider always say they are sick when they are not performing at peak conditions. If I had a nickel for every time they say the same thing I'd be rich. :)

Having said that, the definitions of illness for these riders or top end athletes could be different to our definition. Our definition is bad that they would have to DNF probably. Their definition could be a slight sore throat. Just saying.

If Quintana was that sick he would not be making the podium he would be leaking time and slipping backwards. That said there was obviously something wrong, my guess is that he had a cold which is enough at this level to effect performance.
 
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It would be absolutely wonderful if he got sick right before the Alps. That means he was fine on the Pyrenees. Ha!

But I'm highly sceptical of it all really.
 
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No_Balls said:
Excuses, excuses everywhere.

So to sum it up. He cant have too much wind, not too flat roads and not too long tt's. He cant stand the heat and certain climbs for diesels are not good either. I think its best for him a Tour with no contenders. But then again he is sick in every GT...

Sometimes what you call excuses are the actual facts. Some folks are predisposed to have a negative view of every thing that occurs with particular riders, looking at actual reasons for performances as being reputation saving tall tales, weaved to give their fans hope for the future. I think the majority of the time that what is stated as the reason for a rider not performing up to expectations is the truth. You can accept it or you can continue to weave your web of hate and disdain, feeding all those that think the same. Sounds like a healthy way to live. Good luck with that.
 
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Angliru said:
No_Balls said:
Excuses, excuses everywhere.

So to sum it up. He cant have too much wind, not too flat roads and not too long tt's. He cant stand the heat and certain climbs for diesels are not good either. I think its best for him a Tour with no contenders. But then again he is sick in every GT...

Sometimes what you call excuses are the actual facts. Some folks are predisposed to have a negative view of every thing that occurs with particular riders, looking at actual reasons for performances as being reputation saving tall tales, weaved to give their fans hope for the future. I think the majority of the time that what is stated as the reason for a rider not performing up to expectations is the truth. You can accept it or you can continue to weave your web of hate and disdain, feeding all those that think the same. Sounds like a healthy way to live. Good luck with that.

+100
 
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urghhhh, your rhetoric is atrocious, no_balls. all suck, all should be hated and despised, barring an illustrious il padrone...gotta be really difficult to follow cycling with that kind of attitude.
 
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You clearly saw it on his face that he was suffering. Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one. He was sick. You can clearly see that.
 
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Red Rick said:
Not surprised if he really was ill during the Tour. However, recurring virus, and massive amounts of antibiotics. Solid journalism.

I noticed that too - 'He has had this virus twice before.Give him antibiotics! Why are they not working?'

Three possibilities -
we need a better translation,
he needs a better doctor,
or he needs a better excuse-writer.