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How did he prove that?Pantani_lives said:As always I managed to miss the most exciting stage of the year and had to watch a summary. Quintana proved again that he's the purest climber of this generation. I hope Movistar gives him the leadersship at the Tour and they do everything to keep him from losing time in the dangerous first week. Don't forget that a climber always wins the Tour in a year ending in 8.
silvergrenade said:How did he prove that?Pantani_lives said:As always I managed to miss the most exciting stage of the year and had to watch a summary. Quintana proved again that he's the purest climber of this generation. I hope Movistar gives him the leadersship at the Tour and they do everything to keep him from losing time in the dangerous first week. Don't forget that a climber always wins the Tour in a year ending in 8.
Valv.Piti said:After watching his rouluer-skills today, I wouldn't 100% rule it out that Quintana could do better than Porte in this time trial. Highly unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
Bolder said:silvergrenade said:How did he prove that?Pantani_lives said:As always I managed to miss the most exciting stage of the year and had to watch a summary. Quintana proved again that he's the purest climber of this generation. I hope Movistar gives him the leadersship at the Tour and they do everything to keep him from losing time in the dangerous first week. Don't forget that a climber always wins the Tour in a year ending in 8.
He didn't prove it with one attach at the TdS with rivals of differing motivations, but you could make that case. By "purest" do you mean is a favorite to contest mountain stage wins, whether long grinder or punchy/steep, following teammates or not? It's definitely an extremely short list of those who can sustain that level for more than a year or two. However, one strike against him is that he doesn't win all that much.
I really like Quintana, but looking at last year I worry that '16 was his peak.
It can't just go away. More like a gradual decline after 32-33 years. An even at that age he still should be able to climb really well.Bolder said:silvergrenade said:How did he prove that?Pantani_lives said:As always I managed to miss the most exciting stage of the year and had to watch a summary. Quintana proved again that he's the purest climber of this generation. I hope Movistar gives him the leadersship at the Tour and they do everything to keep him from losing time in the dangerous first week. Don't forget that a climber always wins the Tour in a year ending in 8.
He didn't prove it with one attach at the TdS with rivals of differing motivations, but you could make that case. By "purest" do you mean is a favorite to contest mountain stage wins, whether long grinder or punchy/steep, following teammates or not? It's definitely an extremely short list of those who can sustain that level for more than a year or two. However, one strike against him is that he doesn't win all that much.
I really like Quintana, but looking at last year I worry that '16 was his peak.
wheresmybrakes said:Good to see Nairo giving a good show. Hopefully he can improve going into the Tour and make it a 4/5 horse race instead of a procession. If only he could add another 10/20% onto his TT.
Got it.Pantani_lives said:Bolder said:silvergrenade said:How did he prove that?Pantani_lives said:As always I managed to miss the most exciting stage of the year and had to watch a summary. Quintana proved again that he's the purest climber of this generation. I hope Movistar gives him the leadersship at the Tour and they do everything to keep him from losing time in the dangerous first week. Don't forget that a climber always wins the Tour in a year ending in 8.
He didn't prove it with one attach at the TdS with rivals of differing motivations, but you could make that case. By "purest" do you mean is a favorite to contest mountain stage wins, whether long grinder or punchy/steep, following teammates or not? It's definitely an extremely short list of those who can sustain that level for more than a year or two. However, one strike against him is that he doesn't win all that much.
I really like Quintana, but looking at last year I worry that '16 was his peak.
By "purest climber" I mean that his climbing style looks very natural and fluent, as if he was born to climb mountains on a bike. He was a good climber at a young age already, is rather short yet powerful, can turn around a big gear without looking like a forced laborer. His climbing is just a pleasure to watch when he's in shape. He brings back memories of Herrera and Parra in the eighties, which isn't obvious in modern cycling.
Escarabajo said:It can't just go away. More like a gradual decline after 32-33 years. An even at that age he still should be able to climb really well.Bolder said:silvergrenade said:How did he prove that?Pantani_lives said:As always I managed to miss the most exciting stage of the year and had to watch a summary. Quintana proved again that he's the purest climber of this generation. I hope Movistar gives him the leadersship at the Tour and they do everything to keep him from losing time in the dangerous first week. Don't forget that a climber always wins the Tour in a year ending in 8.
He didn't prove it with one attach at the TdS with rivals of differing motivations, but you could make that case. By "purest" do you mean is a favorite to contest mountain stage wins, whether long grinder or punchy/steep, following teammates or not? It's definitely an extremely short list of those who can sustain that level for more than a year or two. However, one strike against him is that he doesn't win all that much.
I really like Quintana, but looking at last year I worry that '16 was his peak.
2015dacooley said:the biggest issue is nairo should small all other contenders in the mountains to win the tour, so reproducing 2013, 2016 3rd weeks form is what's needed. just being strongest climber is not enough while the likelihood of movistar being capable of replicating a vuelta-esque race-splitting move is very small.
against porte as well. the prospect of leaving TTT with a 1'30-2' deficit seems quite probable.Escarabajo said:2015dacooley said:the biggest issue is nairo should small all other contenders in the mountains to win the tour, so reproducing 2013, 2016 3rd weeks form is what's needed. just being strongest climber is not enough while the likelihood of movistar being capable of replicating a vuelta-esque race-splitting move is very small.
He needs top TT with a top Froome only. If he has that form from 2015 or 2013 should be OK if he doesn't screw the tactics and goes unscathed the first week. I would worry more about the first week than the TT IMHO.
He can still produce a decent TT on that Tour parcours if he is in good form.
IMHO!
dacooley said:against porte as well. the prospect of leaving TTT with a 1'30-2' deficit seems quite probable.Escarabajo said:2015dacooley said:the biggest issue is nairo should small all other contenders in the mountains to win the tour, so reproducing 2013, 2016 3rd weeks form is what's needed. just being strongest climber is not enough while the likelihood of movistar being capable of replicating a vuelta-esque race-splitting move is very small.
He needs top TT with a top Froome only. If he has that form from 2015 or 2013 should be OK if he doesn't screw the tactics and goes unscathed the first week. I would worry more about the first week than the TT IMHO.
He can still produce a decent TT on that Tour parcours if he is in good form.
IMHO!
Not necessarily. Sky may win the TTT and have a good chance of winning. Their team is far better and stronger,Koronin said:dacooley said:against porte as well. the prospect of leaving TTT with a 1'30-2' deficit seems quite probable.Escarabajo said:2015dacooley said:the biggest issue is nairo should small all other contenders in the mountains to win the tour, so reproducing 2013, 2016 3rd weeks form is what's needed. just being strongest climber is not enough while the likelihood of movistar being capable of replicating a vuelta-esque race-splitting move is very small.
He needs top TT with a top Froome only. If he has that form from 2015 or 2013 should be OK if he doesn't screw the tactics and goes unscathed the first week. I would worry more about the first week than the TT IMHO.
He can still produce a decent TT on that Tour parcours if he is in good form.
IMHO!
Add Nibali as well. When he's racing well he also typically does a good ITT. His TTT should be better at the Tour with the Izagirre brothers there.
Agreed Porte will have the best TTT and then is also a good with ITTs as well.