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He definitely has some good form. However, he still has to make up time on Froome and then put a good 1 to 2 additional minutes on Froome BEFORE the ITT on stage 20. Landa actually needs to do the same as well, put at least 1-2 minutes on Froome in the mountains. If they both can do that they can then fight it out amongst themselves.
Froome should have some fatigue hit in the last week and therefore Nairo should be patient in week 2 and merely follow Froome's wheel. Froome definitely knows week 2 is his best chance to put a huge time gap to everyone and then defend it. Expecting a lot of fireworks from Froome in the coming week. I hope Nairo can go with him.
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Actually I think this is where Movistar having 3 riders in the GC mix AND in good position have an advantage of pushing that and forcing Froome to expend energy in week 2 that he doesn't want to expend. But they need to push it. It's possible Landa is the one who will do it as he's the one that prefer the long range attacks. Then Quintana needs to do the short range attacks while Valverde just sits right on Froome's wheel so he can out sprint Froome at the end of the stage. Thus the 3 headed monster and the fact they still have them all in the mix IF played right should make things interesting.
saneguy said:
Actually I think this is where Movistar having 3 riders in the GC mix AND in good position have an advantage of pushing that and forcing Froome to expend energy in week 2 that he doesn't want to expend. But they need to push it. It's possible Landa is the one who will do it as he's the one that prefer the long range attacks. Then Quintana needs to do the short range attacks while Valverde just sits right on Froome's wheel so he can out sprint Froome at the end of the stage. Thus the 3 headed monster and the fact they still have them all in the mix IF played right should make things interesting.
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I really hope so. However, this is why Movistar needed all 3 of their boys as high up as possible. I think having Valverde actually with a better time than Froome right now actually is helpful. He's the one that could take some time on the descent as long as he doesn't suffer from the altitude. Thus forcing Froome/Sky to chase on descents as well as climbs. (Well Nibali can also do that).
AlexNYC said:
I really hope so. However, this is why Movistar needed all 3 of their boys as high up as possible. I think having Valverde actually with a better time than Froome right now actually is helpful. He's the one that could take some time on the descent as long as he doesn't suffer from the altitude. Thus forcing Froome/Sky to chase on descents as well as climbs. (Well Nibali can also do that).
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Sky also have G. So it wont be easy although I feel Valverde at some point might be the one to shake things up. Landa would tend to think that a long range attack actually might diminish his chances for GC so I dont know if he will end up doing that. Also the Sky Train is not easy to shake off. With the likes of Kwiatowski, Poels and Castroveijo the pace will be relentless in the mountains. As we have seen time and again they set such a hard pace which wipes out half the peleton and GC guys - then those violent Froome attacks which even drops Quintana on most occasions.
Best way to beat them is to destroy the train at the beginning of the climbs. Obviously its easier said than done. The other teams hardly have any strong domestiques who can be useful in the mountains.
Very interesting 3 days - Tuesday to Thursday.
Koronin said:
Sky also have G. So it wont be easy although I feel Valverde at some point might be the one to shake things up. Landa would tend to think that a long range attack actually might diminish his chances for GC so I dont know if he will end up doing that. Also the Sky Train is not easy to shake off. With the likes of Kwiatowski, Poels and Castroveijo the pace will be relentless in the mountains. As we have seen time and again they set such a hard pace which wipes out half the peleton and GC guys - then those violent Froome attacks which even drops Quintana on most occasions.
Best way to beat them is to destroy the train at the beginning of the climbs. Obviously its easier said than done. The other teams hardly have any strong domestiques who can be useful in the mountains.
Very interesting 3 days - Tuesday to Thursday.
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Tough to see him win the Tour with the Giro in his legs. And he went DEEP in the Giro.
HelloDolly said:
Tough to see him win the Tour with the Giro in his legs. And he went DEEP in the Giro.
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Froome seems to have this in the bag. No one literally no one can hold his wheel. Only time before G makes way for Froome in the yellow. This is going to be a real tough tour for Quintana. We are seeing the same thing again and again. Skytrain and Froome set a blistering pace on the last climb, Froome attacking and distancing Nairo in the final 3-5 kms and putting time into him in the first-second week and simply defending in the last week.
No matter how deep Froome has gone in Giro, I still think he is the strongest contender for the Tour. For Nairo it seems its all over. Might get a stage or two but not the yellow by any means - unless Froome crashes out but then G is still as strong as Froome.
So my hopes to see Nairo in the yellow are all but over. And I think tomorrow Froome will win big time on L'Alpe D'Huez - may even go in the yellow and definitely put more time into Quintana.
I'd be the most happiest person to be proved wrong on this. But it seems unlikely.....
Moviefan1203 said:
Froome seems to have this in the bag. No one literally no one can hold his wheel. Only time before G makes way for Froome in the yellow. This is going to be a real tough tour for Quintana. We are seeing the same thing again and again. Skytrain and Froome set a blistering pace on the last climb, Froome attacking and distancing Nairo in the final 3-5 kms and putting time into him in the first-second week and simply defending in the last week.
No matter how deep Froome has gone in Giro, I still think he is the strongest contender for the Tour. For Nairo it seems its all over. Might get a stage or two but not the yellow by any means - unless Froome crashes out but then G is still as strong as Froome.
So my hopes to see Nairo in the yellow are all but over. And I think tomorrow Froome will win big time on L'Alpe D'Huez - may even go in the yellow and definitely put more time into Quintana.
I'd be the most happiest person to be proved wrong on this. But it seems unlikely.....
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I think today we've confirmed that Quintana has already started to decline in his abilities. I really hope Movistar moves on from him sooner rather than later. As far as I'm concerned this has to be his last shot at the Tour with Movistar.
saneguy said:
I think today we've confirmed that Quintana has already started to decline in his abilities. I really hope Movistar moves on from him sooner rather than later. As far as I'm concerned this has to be his last shot at the Tour with Movistar.
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Even if he has started to decline, he's still clearly Movistar's strongest GC rider right now in the Grand Tours. So why would they move him on? Even if he can't beat Sky, he has a great chance of finishing on the podium in the Tour. Which is probably the biggest global publicity Movistar will get all year from their cycling sponsorship.Koronin said:
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Dump his contract and they can bring back some of good domestiques they've lost over the last two years or bring in new ones. They have lost almost all of their good domestiques. This team is now where near as strong as it was 2-3 years ago. They also have Soler who is getting better and stronger along with Carapaz who finished top 5 of this year's Giro with basically no support from the team at all. They don't need Quintana. I also believe he started his decline 2-3 years ago. He seems to have topped out in 2015. He has not gotten better and he really looks like he started a decline last year, and this seems to be showing more of the same.
DFA123 said:
Dump his contract and they can bring back some of good domestiques they've lost over the last two years or bring in new ones. They have lost almost all of their good domestiques. This team is now where near as strong as it was 2-3 years ago. They also have Soler who is getting better and stronger along with Carapaz who finished top 5 of this year's Giro with basically no support from the team at all. They don't need Quintana. I also believe he started his decline 2-3 years ago. He seems to have topped out in 2015. He has not gotten better and he really looks like he started a decline last year, and this seems to be showing more of the same.
It’s not clear that he’s declining, it’s clear that Sky and Froome have his number.
I think he has a problem adopting the forceful position of a patrone. Once G attacked, someone in that group needed to take responsibility for bringing him back. Once Martin attacked, and pulled Froome clear, doubly so. It was a bit like how he just sat and watched Froome pedal away down the Peyresourde in 2016, waiting for someone else to react. You can’t wait for someone else, if you’re everybody else’s someone else.
I think he has a problem adopting the forceful position of a patrone. Once G attacked, someone in that group needed to take responsibility for bringing him back. Once Martin attacked, and pulled Froome clear, doubly so. It was a bit like how he just sat and watched Froome pedal away down the Peyresourde in 2016, waiting for someone else to react. You can’t wait for someone else, if you’re everybody else’s someone else.
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